Discussion of Wind River

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, November 20, 2017 11:06 PM

I'm glad you saw it on 42" screen. Remember the scene where FBI, goes with the Sheriffs to visit the Energy guys? That scene was one key reason I recommended seeing on a large screen, and sitting where you can view the full width of the shot.

A most memorable dialogue for me was his description of how far she or anybody can run in the snow.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, November 20, 2017 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
From what I remember, I believe it was the trail of the snowmobiles. I need to see it again to be sure, but that's what I remember.

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
OK, the scene I don't know.
After he finds the critters, wolves or coyotes. Then he sees something on the next slope, maybe needs his binocs to look.

What was it? What did it mean? It seems whatever it was, was crucial.

Got a clue?

There was some big green boxy thing he saw, among the hillside trees. Or was it a mountain slope?

I also think some of the stuff about his daughter I didn't catch clearly.

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, November 23, 2017 1:20 PM

I totally agree about the dialogue and tone of this film, so subtle, but poignant and full of meaning without being preachy.

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I'm glad you saw it on 42" screen. Remember the scene where FBI, goes with the Sheriffs to visit the Energy guys? That scene was one key reason I recommended seeing on a large screen, and sitting where you can view the full width of the shot.

A most memorable dialogue for me was his description of how far she or anybody can run in the snow.

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, November 23, 2017 1:24 PM

This film spoke to loss, revenge, grieving and true frontier justice. It was a modern "cowboy" story and subtly addressed right and wrong, what people will go through to survive - but too, about race and how we tend to overrate it. In this world, the film seems to say, there are good people and bad people....as Yoda would say......"color matters not."

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
From what I remember, I believe it was the trail of the snowmobiles. I need to see it again to be sure, but that's what I remember.

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
OK, the scene I don't know.
After he finds the critters, wolves or coyotes. Then he sees something on the next slope, maybe needs his binocs to look.

What was it? What did it mean? It seems whatever it was, was crucial.

Got a clue?
There was some big green boxy thing he saw, among the hillside trees. Or was it a mountain slope?

I also think some of the stuff about his daughter I didn't catch clearly.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, November 25, 2017 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
From what I remember, I believe it was the trail of the snowmobiles. I need to see it again to be sure, but that's what I remember.

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
OK, the scene I don't know.
After he finds the critters, wolves or coyotes. Then he sees something on the next slope, maybe needs his binocs to look.

What was it? What did it mean? It seems whatever it was, was crucial.

Got a clue?
There was some big green boxy thing he saw, among the hillside trees. Or was it a mountain slope?

I also think some of the stuff about his daughter I didn't catch clearly.

I was wrong. It was the snowmobile tracks from Matt's body back to his trailer, and then the LEOs approaching the trailer.

I had forgotten how brutal the rape scene was.

I do recall thinking about one thing that went left unsaid. After Pete confesses to the rape and murder, Cory does not clue him in that the girl he raped was his daughter's best friend. Cory is not as verbose, but I suspect Clint or Ahnold or Stallone would have mentioned it.

Regarding the sound: I had noticed in cinema, but forgot until I st checking some scenes: sound in the cold outdoors was rendered faithfully. Sound has a crisp, sharp diffusion and echo and that was accurately presented, which is a rarity from Hollywood. Either it was really shot and sounded in the cold, or there was some amazing sound stage magic.

There was more whining about the cold thN I recall. They were only saying it was around Zero degrees. My favorite temp range is between 10 above and 10 below.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, November 25, 2017 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Brought over from the Wind River thread:
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I'm thinking that you, SGG, are a city guy, or nearly so. So I'll ask: are you aware of the more reserved nature, maybe taciturn mode of these rural guys? All of them snickering at the Feeb, her desk ways, the FBI Bureaucratic methods, the lack of "Street sense" and her dogged determination to waste her efforts, instead of using their expertise to solve things? F&WS guy wants to help her, but he's not going to spoon-feed her, and she ignores his offers to help get her focused and straightened out.
If you have a chance to watch it again, see if you can tell the silent tug of war between their levels of conversation, action, authority, and acumen. He wants to help the fish out of water, but she's stubborn. This layering of interaction and exchange was really done well. Amazing. Reminds me of Fargo, as well.

I was thinking Olsen was Lead Actress.

Did the scoring feel familiar?
Yes, I am a city guy, but I do get that "attitude" from certain folk who think because they make a little more than you that they know it all. Yes, we even get that in the city. But, to answer your question, I picked up on that right off. The screenwriter did a fantastic job of delivering on those subtle glances, looks and reactions throughout this film. It's not only from the Cops/Sheriffs v. Feds dynamic, but from the Cityslickers v. Countryboys.

If you didn't pick up on it, the sheriff (Ben - Graham Greene) even said as she pulled up to the house at the beginning "Here he is," expecting to see a male agent.
Subtle also was the "barb" they gave her regarding her winter attire. Fish-out-of-water? You bet.

Before I go further, I took an educated guess that Renner was lead for a couple of reasons: one, they started with him (after the set up of the girl running through the snow; brilliantly done BTW. It both set up the mystery and set the tone of the movie). Then comes "Cory" (Renner) and his set-up was: not a cop, but a local official with roots in the community and we are told (within the story mind you) that he's an excellent tracker - Fish, Game & Wildlife. He's definitely the country boy, but he's nobody's fool. We find out that he's patient (you almost have to be, to be a good tracker) because he takes his time in teaching his son; there's tension between him and the boy's mother; but he's a stand-up guy because he encourages his ex to find work where she can, and that he will pay child support. The tension is not typical lover's spat or mistreatment by either side...so what gives? I'm thinking what's the reason for them not being together; you know he loves his son. And that "looks like I'm in trouble" that "Cory" says as he walks in to pick up his son.

What does that tell us, the audience? This guy is a straight shooter (literally) a good father, a patient guy, strong-willed, a survivor. All this but we get more, little clues as to the type of guy "Cory" is. He later shows that patience with "Jane" and even proceeds to teach her about tracking. The more I write, the more I'm realizing that this was a helluva script.

I gotta stop for a while, my hands/fingers are getting tired.

SGG

I forgot to reply before. I had thought the reason Cory was not with his wife was due to the rift from what happened to their daughter.

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, November 25, 2017 12:36 PM

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I forgot to reply before. I had thought the reason Cory was not with his wife was due to the rift from what happened to their daughter.

Yes, but we don't know this until much later in the film. At the very beginning "we" get to know him, he's a father, he's not with his wife, but they are NOT arguing per se, they seem to get along and he even offers advice and support for his ex. So, in my mind, I'm thinking "there's something else here;" so I figured it would come later in the story.

I knew, once Cory discovered the body that he knew who this girl was. He's a local, it makes sense, but then we discover that it's much deeper than that. Like I said, a well-written script and probably worth an Oscar nod. It is subtle but key to the overall treatment of the story and the interaction between characters. Remember when he goes to the house of the girl's parents, he meets the father, Martin, at the door. Remember also how Martin treated Jane as she came to investigate and question the parents. Her people skills are lacking and she practically accuses the parents of not caring about their daughter. She sees the mother cutting herself in the bedroom, and she completely changes her tone.

This is what I mean about the writing in this film. So subtle, yet so damn good.
Now, back to Cory at the door with the father: One look and he starts crying and hugs his friend; the sheriff closes the door and stands in front of it, as those guarding a secret, ad Jane doesn't dare take a step outside. Inside you can hear the man sobbing. She gains respect for the family and Cory's influence and character all in one scene. And so do we. Fucking brilliant writing. My hat's off to Taylor Sheridan. The murder mystery and cinematography are but a backdrop to the interpersonal relationships that developed in front of our eyes. Fuck I'm jealous, but so admire Sheridan for his dead on writing ability. We get character development and story advancement all in one fell swoop and we're at the very beginning of the movie.

The more I write about it, the more I get the feeling that Oscar will, hopefully, recognize this film's brilliance....at least in the writing category. My vote would go toward Sheridan for screenplay. I learned a lot in presenting this review and in dissecting this screenplay.

Oh,, I almost forgot: I didn't realize, until my second viewing, that the two girls were friends. Then it made a lot more sense, not only the friendship between Cory and Martin, but the trust Martin had in Cory to the point that he fell into his arms and openly wept during that scene at the dead girl's parents house.

SGG

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, November 25, 2017 3:30 PM

I was also struck by the heroism of Matt in the rape scene. The Knight in Shining Armor.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, November 25, 2017 3:38 PM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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I forgot to reply before. I had thought the reason Cory was not with his wife was due to the rift from what happened to their daughter.

Yes, but we don't know this until much later in the film. At the very beginning "we" get to know him, he's a father, he's not with his wife, but they are NOT arguing per se, they seem to get along and he even offers advice and support for his ex. So, in my mind, I'm thinking "there's something else here;" so I figured it would come later in the story.

I knew, once Cory discovered the body that he knew who this girl was. He's a local, it makes sense, but then we discover that it's much deeper than that. Like I said, a well-written script and probably worth an Oscar nod. It is subtle but key to the overall treatment of the story and the interaction between characters. Remember when he goes to the house of the girl's parents, he meets the father, Martin, at the door. Remember also how Martin treated Jane as she came to investigate and question the parents. Her people skills are lacking and she practically accuses the parents of not caring about their daughter. She sees the mother cutting herself in the bedroom, and she completely changes her tone.

This is what I mean about the writing in this film. So subtle, yet so damn good.
Now, back to Cory at the door with the father: One look and he starts crying and hugs his friend; the sheriff closes the door and stands in front of it, as those guarding a secret, ad Jane doesn't dare take a step outside. Inside you can hear the man sobbing. She gains respect for the family and Cory's influence and character all in one scene. And so do we. Fucking brilliant writing. My hat's off to Taylor Sheridan. The murder mystery and cinematography are but a backdrop to the interpersonal relationships that developed in front of our eyes. Fuck I'm jealous, but so admire Sheridan for his dead on writing ability. We get character development and story advancement all in one fell swoop and we're at the very beginning of the movie.

The more I write about it, the more I get the feeling that Oscar will, hopefully, recognize this film's brilliance....at least in the writing category. My vote would go toward Sheridan for screenplay. I learned a lot in presenting this review and in dissecting this screenplay.

Oh,, I almost forgot: I didn't realize, until my second viewing, that the two girls were friends. Then it made a lot more sense, not only the friendship between Cory and Martin, but the trust Martin had in Cory to the point that he fell into his arms and openly wept during that scene at the dead girl's parents house.

SGG

They were two the same. Both fathers who had lost their daughters, failed to protect them until marriage.
And not a word spoken.
I thought Jane realizes there that she should be listening more, to both Cory and Sheriff.

SHINYGOODGUY

Sunday, November 26, 2017 1:36 PM

Yes, I agree. Jane began to trust Cory more after that.

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Quote:
I forgot to reply before. I had thought the reason Cory was not with his wife was due to the rift from what happened to their daughter.

Yes, but we don't know this until much later in the film. At the very beginning "we" get to know him, he's a father, he's not with his wife, but they are NOT arguing per se, they seem to get along and he even offers advice and support for his ex. So, in my mind, I'm thinking "there's something else here;" so I figured it would come later in the story.

I knew, once Cory discovered the body that he knew who this girl was. He's a local, it makes sense, but then we discover that it's much deeper than that. Like I said, a well-written script and probably worth an Oscar nod. It is subtle but key to the overall treatment of the story and the interaction between characters. Remember when he goes to the house of the girl's parents, he meets the father, Martin, at the door. Remember also how Martin treated Jane as she came to investigate and question the parents. Her people skills are lacking and she practically accuses the parents of not caring about their daughter. She sees the mother cutting herself in the bedroom, and she completely changes her tone.

This is what I mean about the writing in this film. So subtle, yet so damn good.
Now, back to Cory at the door with the father: One look and he starts crying and hugs his friend; the sheriff closes the door and stands in front of it, as those guarding a secret, ad Jane doesn't dare take a step outside. Inside you can hear the man sobbing. She gains respect for the family and Cory's influence and character all in one scene. And so do we. Fucking brilliant writing. My hat's off to Taylor Sheridan. The murder mystery and cinematography are but a backdrop to the interpersonal relationships that developed in front of our eyes. Fuck I'm jealous, but so admire Sheridan for his dead on writing ability. We get character development and story advancement all in one fell swoop and we're at the very beginning of the movie.

The more I write about it, the more I get the feeling that Oscar will, hopefully, recognize this film's brilliance....at least in the writing category. My vote would go toward Sheridan for screenplay. I learned a lot in presenting this review and in dissecting this screenplay.

Oh,, I almost forgot: I didn't realize, until my second viewing, that the two girls were friends. Then it made a lot more sense, not only the friendship between Cory and Martin, but the trust Martin had in Cory to the point that he fell into his arms and openly wept during that scene at the dead girl's parents house.

SGG
They were two the same. Both fathers who had lost their daughters, failed to protect them until marriage.
And not a word spoken.
I thought Jane realizes there that she should be listening more, to both Cory and Sheriff.

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