Is this really "the lowest point in our nation’s history that they can remember"?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
remember the legal definition of Sexual Assault includes touching, kissing, dancing, hugging - all fully clothed.
A wise man recently pointed out that when everything is rape, nothing is rape.

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Magazine Editor Leon Wieseltier completely agrees with you and your wiseman. Furthermore, he complains bitterly about Harvey Weinstein ruining his life:

"My life is over, and I'm still only in my sixties. I've been fired from every position — my Brookings Institution stripped me of my fellowship, the Atlantic doesn't want my contributions anymore, this wealthy widow who was going to finance a new magazine for me, went AWOL on me. All just because when I ran The New Republic, my widely admired magazine, I kissed a whole bunch of young women full on the mouth against their wishes; I described their bodies to them, really a rather complimentary act at the time, I thought; I recounted my own sexual exploits in detail to them, which I was only doing just in case they wanted to add to these exploits; I sputtered obscenities at them, and apparently this brought tears and shame to females under my power. Everyone on the New Republic knew about this, but no one on the staff, man or woman, had the courage to call me out then, so why are they doing it now? Most unfair. All because of you, Weinstein — didn't you know the risk you were taking, the risk that you'd be ruining the careers of other sex assaulters besides yourself? You really let the team down when you couldn't keep your shenanigans out of the newspaper anymore. I know you tried to shut down that New York Times article and Rose McGowan by hiring Mossad agents and star lawyer David Boies, whom I commend for trying to protect you, but you should've tried harder."

www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2017/11/sexual-harassers-complain-bi
tterly-about-harvey-weinstein-ruining-their-game-.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Are you done trolling Second? The adults are trying to have a conversation here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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"First of all, the word "allegedly" is missing from that "fact". Second of all, the big missing piece of data that is needed to support that wild claim is the statistics that show that 2.1 Million men in 2014 were tried in a court of law and found to have been guilty of sexual assault."

Your math skills are deficient jack. It's not true that 1 unique victim = 1 unique perpetrator. Each perpetrator can have more than 1 victim.


Here are the official stats from the USDoJ:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221153.pdf.
NIJ is the research, development and evaluation agency of the U.S. Department of Justice.
A 2007 survey by the National Institute of Justice found that 19.0% of college women and 6.1% of college men experienced either sexual assault or attempted sexual assault since entering college.

BTW - here's the definition of rape (no force required): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States Rape in the United States is defined by the Department of Justice as "Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

And here's the definition of sexual assault: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault Sexual assault is a sexual act in which a person is coerced or physically forced to engage against their will, or non-consensual sexual touching of a person.

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HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Show me any statistic anywhere that says even 1/10th of the allegations led to convictions. Show me any statistic that shows me that even 1/10th of the allegations were ever even brought before a court.

Don't try pulling that shit.

Sure, it could be assumed that one guy who did this has done this to 10 or 100 or even more girls.

You know what I was getting at, and you're dodging it.



You're showing made up numbers about supposed allegations. I'm asking for real numbers of actual cases that were proven to be true.

Take you're time. I'll be here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Convicted? No. Admitted? Yes.

Nobody just accused these men and got believe and counted. These men ADMITTED what they'd done. And if they had admitted this in the presence of the police instead of researchers, they would have been found guilty.

Now, since these men ADMITTED what they'd done, and I suspect men would be less likely to admit to it than not, the numbers are probably higher.

You're the one who's dodging, jack. These men ADMITTED what they'd done. That's what got them counted.

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Just a final comment, jsf and jack.

You've been crying the whole time about women who get drunk and then cry rape.

I have a solution for you. If you're not acting honorably in a relationship with a woman you know well enough to trust, how about keeping your pants zipped up? In other words, how about treating sex like the consequential act it is, instead of like your personal entitlement? Then you'll have nothing to worry about!

What a concept!

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Just a final comment, jsf and jack.

You've been crying the whole time about women who get drunk and then cry rape.

I have a solution for you. If you're not acting honorably in a relationship with a woman you know well enough to trust, how about keeping your pants zipped up? In other words, how about treating sex like the consequential act it is, instead of like your personal entitlement? Then you'll have nothing to worry about!

What a concept!

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I reject that.

If women are strong and independent and equal, and they are not acting honorably in a relationship with a man they know well enough to trust, how about keeping your pants zipped up? In other words, how about treating sex like the consequential act that it is, instead of like your personal entitlement?

What a concept!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Convicted? No. Admitted? Yes.

Nobody just accused these men and got believe and counted. These men ADMITTED what they'd done. And if they had admitted this in the presence of the police instead of researchers, they would have been found guilty.

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No. Nobody asked 20.4 million men and had 2.1 million men admit to researchers that they were guilty of sexual assault.

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Now, since these men ADMITTED what they'd done, and I suspect men would be less likely to admit to it than not, the numbers are probably higher.

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If anybody quizzed 20.4 million men on the subject and 2.1 million of them had been stupid enough to admit that they had committed sexual assault, I would have to agree with you. But because that's not the case here at all..... nope.

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You're the one who's dodging, jack. These men ADMITTED what they'd done. That's what got them counted.

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These 2.1 million men?

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3.1.1 Sampling
We created four sampling subframes, with ca
ses randomly ordered within each subframe:
University 1 women, University 1 men, Universi
ty 2 women, and University 2 men. We then
slightly reduced the size of the subframes (u
sing random sampling procedures) to obtain
equal numbers of freshmen, sophomores, j
uniors, and seniors. The reduced sampling
subframes at University 1 and University
2 contained 14,804 students (8,912 women and
5,892 men) and 11,960 students (6,324 women
and 5,636 men), respectively—a total of
26,764 students across the four subf
rames at the two universities.
Samples were then drawn randomly from each
of the four subframes. The sizes of these
samples were dictated by response rate pro
jections and sample size targets (4,000 women
and 1,000 men, evenly distributed across th
e universities and years of study). For the
female subsamples, 7,200 wome
n were ultimately sampled
from University 1 and 5,636
women were ultimately sampled from
University 2 (see Exhibit 3-1).

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Oh... wait.

No. Only 4,040 men.... at only 2 universities. It should also be noted that for some needlessly convoluted reason the researchers decided to "randomly" choose only a smaller number of the samples they had collected. (I say needlessly convoluted sarcastically because I can think of more than a few reasons why they would do this).

Originally, there were 14,374 men sampled in the study. Only 4,040 men made the final cut.


So, a percentage of 4,040 men out of 2.1 million men "admitted" to certain things that these researchers deemed sexual assault. I'm not going to read 111 pages of B.S., so you can pull out exactly what they copped to.

I'm not sure if this is the study that you got the 13.2% figure from, but if it is, that means that 534 men out of 2.1 million men "admitted" to it. With no word at all on the other 10,000+ men who didn't make the final cut of the study. (One can only assume they were cut because they weren't "rapey" enough for the desired results of the study)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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