Is this really "the lowest point in our nation’s history that they can remember"?
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Signy - that's where I was going - about how badly we teach our children.
Those poor girls growing up today. They're in competition with the airbrushed-photoshopped-pornstar media queens for male attention. Because - what ARE you if you don't win the contests?
And those poor boys. Being taught to treat other humans like objects, the one prize they'll always have even if they lose out in the 'bigger dick' competition.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I agree with you that women need to take responsibility for their actions, and yet the whole culture is going the wrong way. Also, if you expect women to take responsibility for not getting drunk, how about expecting men to not fuck girls who're just barely this side of conscious? Are you sure you aren't expecting a double standard?
I think the problem today is this preconceived notion that women are helpless and that men are predators. I honestly don't even understand it and why it is so pervasive since it seems not to fit in at all with the whole Girl Power thing.
I DO expect men not to fuck girls that are barely conscious. That's not what I'm talking about. That's not what we're talking about. Do you really believe that no less than 13.2% of men in college would, or would even want to fuck a girl who is near passed out? That's a scary thought. I don't believe that.
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I read parts of Hepola's Blackout: Remembering the Things I Drank to Forget and it describes a woman who was convinced that being sexually liberated meant engaging in endless hookups, and drinking was a way to numb herself to that paradigm.
That doesn't seem to be a male problem at all. That doesn't even seem to be a female problem, generally speaking. Any of the girls that I dated for any extended period of time were nothing like what she's describing.
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I heard an interview of Orenstein (Girls and Sex) about what's going on with girls today ... it's horrific, they think they need to be "hot" or to offer sex for conferred status. and drinking is definitely part of that too ... they drink to absolve themselves of responsibility.
To absolve themselves of responsibility. That's a problem.
As you know, I drank MUCH more than my share. I was never drinking to absolve myself of anything. I did a lot of damage to myself and negatively impacted others. I let my house start to fall into ruin. I didn't have the benefit of being a female and allow drinking to absolve myself of anything. When I finally sobered up I had a lot of repairs to make in all aspects of my life.
Drinking is not a get out of jail free card.
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As I walked past a group of boys at the pharmacy the other day, who couldn't have been more than 13 or 14, I overheard one tell another Well, at least I kept it in longer than YOU did and I couldn't help wondering how the girls became pieces of a game.
If that's all of the conversation you heard, I could think of a couple of other things that could have been pertaining to. What makes you think they were talking about sex?
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Women endlessly blaming someone else for their own victimization robs them of their power. But how to get women to stop victimizing themselves? Do they feel that they just don't know how to say "no"? Are they trying to live up to a media-hyped example? Online porn? Athletic-team entitlement?
I know plenty of women who DO know how to say NO.
I don't believe there is any sort of "epidemic" and it's irresponsible for the media to portray it as such.
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Which brings me to the role of the media on our collective shit-fitting, but I guess that's for later.
Yeah... it's getting late. I'm going to be gone for a few days. I couldn't even begin to get into that part of the conversation right now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Six
Would you think it was OK for a male to have sex with a woman insensate from a diabetic coma? A concussion? End-stage cancer?
Then why is drinking any different?
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If you read my post to Sigs above, you'll see that I don't condone a man or woman having sex with somebody who is passed out or so far gone they can barely talk. So the answer to that question is no.
Not only is that wrong, but anybody who would do such a thing has mental problems. Why would anybody want to fuck a corpse? I can't even imagine why somebody would choose to do something like this when they've got two good hands and a plethora of sex toys they could buy online.
But... To answer part two of your question, because yes, that was two different questions.
Drinking is not a get out of jail free card. Drinking does not absolve anybody of responsibility, male or female.
Somebody in a diabetic coma or dying of cancer didn't willingly make the choice to put themselves in an altered state of consciousness just hours before.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:What does that have to do with the question?
Somebody in a diabetic coma or dying of cancer didn't willingly make the choice to put themselves in an altered state of consciousness just hours before.
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Quote:You seem to be intentionally ignoring, or perhaps just ignorant of some facts of human Practices.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:What does that have to do with the question?
Somebody in a diabetic coma or dying of cancer didn't willingly make the choice to put themselves in an altered state of consciousness just hours before.
Women drink to get laid. Get drunk to get laid. Get drunk in huge meatmarkets to get laid. By somebody. Somebody they have not pre-selected. Not all women. Not every time they drink.
But if you are in denial that this is a fact of human interaction, then you need to inform us that this critical denial of reality is part of your argument in the discussion.
Other tricks women do to get laid? They get out their best "boob shirts" and then whine that males are looking at their cleavage - possibly meaning that they are not drunk enough. Or they smuggle peanuts and then bitch that guys are hitting on them.
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FYI SIX, in response to your comment
Quote:This just happened to pop up on ZH:
You are a part of the most privileged women that the history of the planet has ever seen, and you constantly whine and bitch about this every single day.
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America Is The 22nd 'Best' Country In The World For Women
Saudi Arabia isn't alone in how it treats women and a new index has gauged the status of women in different countries.
Infographic: The Best And Worst Countries For Women Worldwide | Statista
You will find more statistics at Statista
The global Women, Peace and Security Index was launched by The Georgetown Institute for Women, Peace and Security and the Peace Research Institute of Oslo.
It measures women's well-being by assessing various factors such as inclusion, justice and security in 153 countries.
Iceland comes first, followed by Norway and Switzerland.
The U.S. is in 22nd position and its lack of paid-maternity leave is one possible reason it trails other developed countries. Along with Papua New Guinea, the U.S. is the only country worldwide that doesn't offer new mothers paid maternity leave.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-10/america-22nd-best-country-wor
ld-women
But, for THUGR, the original article can be found here, via the ZH link https://www.statista.com/chart/11754/the-best-and-worst-countries-for-
women-worldwide/
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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To Sigs: That was just a further statement based off the one I had made earlier saying that women of the "Western World" have more privileged than any women who have ever lived, and wasn't necessarily a statement about just the US.
You know I don't believe in stats, about anything, because they are so easily skewed by whoever is presenting them for their own reasons. Although I have an extremely hard time believing we come in at number 22, I have not ever been outside of America, let alone lived anywhere else for an extended period of time. If that is the truth, at least by the graph you showed, that doesn't at all contradict my statement. In fact, if it is actually better in 21 other Western World countries than it is here then it only makes the statement even more true.
To Kiki: Read it again and figure it out. I posted in English. I know you know how to read.
To JSF: Yup.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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OK. So this thread turned into "Sex or Not in the Shallowest Situations."
I won't say I don't understand at all: We had drunken parties at college
when I was young, too.
But those hook-ups were seriously less appealing to women since most
of us were more interested in a relationship than a one-night-stand.
So whatever happened to meeting, talking, dating, getting to know one
another? If that's out the window, society is doomed.
Relationships Are More Important than Lust.
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"Women drink to get laid. Get drunk to get laid. Get drunk in huge meatmarkets to get laid.".
That's just plain stupid. Women should be getting MEN drunk to get laid, not themselves.
Has it never occurred to you that women get drunk for the same reasons men get drunk. Because they're anxious, or tired, or depressed, or at the end of their rope, and they want to feel something different from what they usually feel? Do you look at a drunk woman and assume she wants to get laid? do you look at a drunk man and assume he wants to get laid?
JSF, you are part of the problem.
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"To JSF: Yup."
And you are too, Jack.
And btw troll, "Somebody in a diabetic coma or dying of cancer didn't willingly make the choice to put themselves in an altered state of consciousness just hours before" is a completely gratuitous attempt to SEE WOMEN PUNISHED for the horrible crime of getting drunk. As if rape was some kind of just punishment for that crime.
Seriously, Jack, I wish you'd been raped by a man every time you got drunk with men around. Because, you know how men are, and OBVIOUSLY you were asking for it.
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