Is this really "the lowest point in our nation’s history that they can remember"?
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The White House spent this week rolling out its task force for combating sexual violence on campus, and part of the campaign has been to routinely cite the claim that 1 in 5 female college students is sexually assaulted during her time in school.
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Anyway - we teach our girls and boys very badly, via our TV, and games, and other media.
But tho I have more to say, I have other things to do right now.
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KIKI, women suffer from one form of predation, but men suffer from another.
Men are supposed to "stand up for themselves", to physically defend themselves if necessary. Many men automatically scan a room to see who they might be able to take on, and who can take THEM on. Rewards accrue to the most physical or the most violent. MOST men don't fare well in such a system especially not a small, big-nosed, frizzy-haired, four-eyed nebbish.
It's a system that doesn't work well for most people in it.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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I completely reject any poll that states that 13.2% of college age men would rape.
I'll even play ball with you and not argue the truth of that statistic.
Let's say that statistic were true. What do you think the likelihood that the 13.2% of college age men that would rape would actually admit to anyone that they would rape?
Sorry. Completely bogus stats that I'm not even going to bother reading the rest.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Hubby works on the campus of a large private university, and I'd say that's a lowball estimate. It prolly describes just about every frat boy on campus, for starters, because while they (usually) wouldn't threaten a girl with a knife or a gun, they would think nothing of liquoring her into insensibility before sex. Which is, btw, rape.
I completely reject any poll that states that 13.2% of college age men would rape.
But this kind of comparative victimhood is exactly the kind of argument that the elite would like to see: identity groups comparing who has the bigger boo-boo, or insisting on their relative righteousness.
How about that we all just accept whatever part it is that we have played in discrimination, realize that we are mostly victims and perps in one way or another, and just vow to forge ahead with equality. Equality isn't a zero-sum game, yanno.
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So, my post made me wonder... why ARE we arguing over equality as if it were a zero-sum game?
That's one of the things that should apply to everyone. Equally.
It's not fairness or equality that's a zero-sum game, but privilege. When you start laying your identity-politics on the table for measurement, you're not arguing for fairness, you're arguing for PRIVILEGE, that you might have something more than someone else.
WISHY, take this to heart: Do you really think women deserve MORE equality than men?
SIX, take this to heart: Do you really think that men are entirely blameless?
Can't you set your old grudges aside and just try to work out a way that we can all be fair to each other?
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I think maybe kids should stop drinking so much at college.
Maybe it wouldn't be such a big deal if kids were able to drink with parental supervision at 16 like they do in other countries.
No. Men obviously aren't entirely blameless. You know I don't deal in absolutes.
I just reject polls which state that 1 in every 5 women on college campuses will be raped and that 13.2% of men on campus say that they would rape. (I a ABSOLUTELY SURE that not a single man in that survey said they would rape. They were just classified as potential rapists because of how they answered questions on the test.)
Define rape.
Personally, I view rape as threatening violence for it, or unwittingly drugging somebody.
If everybody is drinking and sex happens, that's not rape. Don't drink so much you don't like the decision you made the night before. Period.
If we're all equal, and we're talking about strong and independent women here, take some fucking responsibility for your own actions and choices.
I've slept with a few women who I NEVER would have slept with unless I was plastered. Some of them because of their looks sure, but others because they were batshit crazy too. I wasn't raped. I was just stupid and drunk.
There have also been a few girls I slept with that I really regretted after the fact because I did enjoy their company as friends but didn't want anything more with them. Sleeping with somebody ruins friendship. Every time. At least it has for me.
When you call everything rape, then nothing is rape.
It's like idiots around here calling me a Nazi or you a Communist. When the words are used every day to describe everything, it takes away from the people who have gone through horrible things in their lives and just makes other people shrug whenever they hear the words because they hear them all the time.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I think maybe kids should stop drinking so much at college.
Maybe it wouldn't be such a big deal if kids were able to drink with parental supervision at 16 like they do in other countries.
No. Men obviously aren't entirely blameless. You know I don't deal in absolutes.
Quote:It's a sex act performed on a person against their will, or when they aren't able to say no.
I just reject polls which state that 1 in every 5 women on college campuses will be raped and that 13.2% of men on campus say that they would rape.
Define rape.
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Personally, I view rape as threating violence for it, or unwittingly drugging somebody.
If everybody is drinking and sex happens, that's not rape. Don't drink so much you don't like the decision you made the night before.
If we're all equal, and we're talking about strong and independent women here, take some fucking responsibility for your own actions and choices. I
I've slept with a few women who I NEVER would have slept with unless I was plastered. Some of them because of their looks, but others because they were batshit crazy too. I wasn't raped. I was just stupid and drunk.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I agree with you that women need to take responsibility for their actions, and yet the whole culture is going the wrong way. Also, if you expect women to take responsibility for not getting drunk, how about expecting men to not fuck girls who're just barely this side of conscious? Are you sure you aren't expecting a double standard?
I read parts of Hepola's Blackout: Remembering the Things I Drank to Forget and it describes a woman who was convinced that being sexually liberated meant engaging in endless hookups, and drinking was a way to numb herself to that paradigm.
I heard an interview of Orenstein (Girls and Sex) about what's going on with girls today ... it's horrific, they think they need to be "hot" or to offer sex for conferred status. and drinking is definitely part of that too ... they drink to absolve themselves of responsibility.
As I walked past a group of boys at the pharmacy the other day, who couldn't have been more than 13 or 14, I overheard one tell another Well, at least I kept it in longer than YOU did and I couldn't help wondering how the girls became pieces of a game.
Women endlessly blaming someone else for their own victimization robs them of their power. But how to get women to stop victimizing themselves? Do they feel that they just don't know how to say "no"? Are they trying to live up to a media-hyped example? Online porn? Athletic-team entitlement?
Which brings me to the role of the media on our collective shit-fitting, but I guess that's for later.
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Would you think it was OK for a male to have sex with a woman insensate from a diabetic coma? A concussion? End-stage cancer?
Then why is drinking any different?
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