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Friday, November 10, 2017 9:11 PM

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History has shown SECOND that they will take their savings and by back stock and spread it out amongst their shareholders. No jobs ever come from giving tax breaks to corporations. Only the rich win and the middle class gets screwed again.

A guy with a Nobel for economics says that you're pretty much right and he adds details about how tax cuts really work, which contradicts what Republicans claim:



May be the same person I got my information from.





Check it out JSF. This is my exchange with SECOND. It changes when you respond to this in quotes. Your the one who fucked up the layout of posts not me.








Yep. That worked.

PLEASE PUT THE FOLLOWING CLOSED TAG ON YOUR COLOR IN YOUR POSTS, T!

*/font color*

(Replace the *'s with the same brackets you used for the open tag)


HINT: Do a reply with quote to see the tags I put in to close them if you don't get what I'm saying.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, November 10, 2017 9:25 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:

History has shown SECOND that they will take their savings and by back stock and spread it out amongst their shareholders. No jobs ever come from giving tax breaks to corporations. Only the rich win and the middle class gets screwed again.

A guy with a Nobel for economics says that you're pretty much right and he adds details about how tax cuts really work, which contradicts what Republicans claim:
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/leprechaun-economics-and-
neo-lafferism
/
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/leprechaun-economics-with
-numbers
/

But there is still more to be said (Isn't there always?):

The Republican Party has long billed itself as being for family values, for the dignity of work, for lower taxes, and (at least, as the minority party) for balanced budgets. The House GOP tax bill cuts against all of these positions.

It would raise taxes on about one-third of the middle class by 2027. By eliminating the estate tax, it would benefit heirs of large estates, even if they don’t work a day in their life. Meanwhile, by eliminating some tax breaks often claimed by higher earners, the plan would raise taxes on many upper-middle class households. As a result, the bill would ironically privilege the “idle rich” over the “working rich.” And by slashing corporate taxes by several trillion dollars, it would raise deficits by trillions of dollars, even according to the most pro-Republican analyses.

www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/11/gop-tax-cut/545450/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Huh....

Can't remember exactly what Second's signature did. It had something to do with the link at the end. Doesn't seem to be happening here now though.

I noticed that the last few posts from Second didn't have a sig at all. It's not a bad thing to have in the signature so it's a shame to remove it instead of just fixing it. I'll have to just point it out again if I ever have problems with it in the future.

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Friday, November 10, 2017 10:52 PM

Now, getting back to politics. I am posting this only because it may make it possible for the democrats to win an Alabama Senate seat. It would be a tremendous win if they do.




Bombshell Report on Roy Moore Could Reshape Washington’s Political Landscape

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/bombshell-report-could-res
hape-washington-s-political-landscape-n819641






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Friday, November 10, 2017 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Now, getting back to politics. I am posting this only because it may make it possible for the democrats to win an Alabama Senate seat. It would be a tremendous win if they do.


Bombshell Report on Roy Moore Could Reshape Washington’s Political Landscape

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/bombshell-report-could-res
hape-washington-s-political-landscape-n819641










Nope... still not fixed. The color issue is gone, but this will lead to other problems when people try to quote you.

I'm not sure why you put an end quote after your text, unless it was an attempt to fix it.

Are you confused, or are you just trolling?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, November 10, 2017 11:13 PM

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It does highlight a huge problem that Second's signature creates for anyone trying to quote him too. I've mentioned that to him as well before, but that was ignored.

Is it any surprise that both T and Second are inconsiderate enough to both make roadblocks for people quoting them, and neither of them will correct them when it's been pointed out?

6ixStringJack, I never-ever listen to "correction" unless they are paying me, or I'm paying them, or they have a gun pointed at me, or they are my friend, or my family. That has always worked well for me. Now onward to something of more substance about how to learn from others:

When it comes to climate change, the GOP has the unique position of the only major political party in the democratic world to reject the legitimacy of climate science and any domestic policy or international agreement meant to address it. Instead, the GOP is working actively to increase production and consumption of fossil fuels and to slow the transition to renewable energy.

The conventional wisdom gets the causal arrow backwards. Americans don’t develop political and policy opinions based on an assessment of climate science. They assess climate science based on preexisting political and policy opinions. That’s why trying to change minds with science-based arguments is so rarely effective.

More at www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/11/10/16627256/conservatives-c
limate-change-persuasion

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Friday, November 10, 2017 11:16 PM

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6ixStringJack, I never-ever listen to "correction" unless they are paying me, or I'm paying them, or they have a gun pointed at me, or they are my friend, or my family.



Why doesn't that surprise me. Should we attribute your inconsiderate behavior to the fact that you're of the 1%, you're an elitist, you're a die-hard Democrat, or all of the above?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, November 10, 2017 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by second:
6ixStringJack, I never-ever listen to "correction" unless they are paying me, or I'm paying them, or they have a gun pointed at me, or they are my friend, or my family.



Why doesn't that surprise me. Should we attribute your inconsiderate behavior to the fact that you're of the 1%, you're an elitist, you're a die-hard Democrat, or all of the above?

The inconsiderate behavior was an essential part of getting rich. It's a Texas oil field thing as in the saying: "Nice guys finish last." The Democratic Party absolutely does not endorse that attitude of winner takes all. The party is more about spreading the wealth around, as you can see in their tax policy and welfare policy differing from the GOP.

6ixStringJack and second both watched Firefly and Serenity, but that does not make us friendly and agreeable members of the same polite tribe. Quoting from the article: Opinions aren’t formed in a vacuum, they’re formed in life, and in life, one is always surrounded by tribes enforcing worldviews in millions of explicit and implicit ways. Knowledge and motivation are social phenomena, not individual phenomena. Even if conservatives could be convinced of “free market” solutions to climate change, show me more than a handful of conservatives willing to prioritize their alleged fealty to free markets over the good opinion of their peers and tribal leaders. Show me a GOP politician willing to put their alleged fealty to free markets over the good opinion of their constituents and their chances of reelection.

www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/11/10/16627256/conservatives-c
limate-change-persuasion


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, November 11, 2017 12:44 AM

Do you actually think anybody reads your posts?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, November 11, 2017 12:46 AM

I do because I read. You don't because you don't read. You just spew bullshit.






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Saturday, November 11, 2017 1:47 AM

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Do you actually think anybody reads your posts?

Don't read -- for Democrats only:

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating an alleged plan involving former White House national security adviser Mike Flynn to forcibly remove a Muslim cleric living in the U.S. and deliver him to Turkey in return for millions of dollars, according to people familiar with the investigation.

Under the alleged proposal, Mr. Flynn and his son, Michael Flynn Jr., were to be paid as much as $15 million for delivering Fethullah Gulen to the Turkish government, according to people with knowledge of discussions Mr. Flynn had with Turkish representatives. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who has pressed the U.S. to extradite him, views the cleric as a political enemy.

Just think about this. A special prosecutor apparently thinks there’s credible evidence that Mike Flynn was involved in a plan to kidnap a Muslim cleric living in Pennsylvania and deliver him to Turkey in return for $15 million. This was in September 2016, while Flynn was a top surrogate in Donald Trump’s campaign. And Flynn was the guy who Trump originally chose as his National Security Advisor.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/robert-mueller-is-invest
igating-a-kidnapping-plot-that-involves-mike-flynn
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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