Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
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Only 2,637 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
how exciting.
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So, I'm going to add something about the role of Special Prosecutor.
In my memory, two Presidents have been investigated by a Special Prosecutor: Nixon, and Clinton, and subsequently been impeached.
I don't remember much about the Nixon impeachment, - SIGNY
Mostly because it never happened, other than in your dreams and fantasies. Don't fight the facts, let the truth set your mind free from the yoke of delusional Libtardism- JSF
The second investigation - of Bill Clinton- began with the DOJ appointment of Robert Fiske as Special Prosecutor. His remit was Whitewater in relation to the suicide of Vince Foster. When he failed to find ... SIGNY
The Rose Law Firm Billing Records which Hilliary kept illegally sequestered in her White House closet, nor enough of the mountain of evidence for certain proof of - JSF
...wrongdoing, the Republican Congress appointed an Independent Counsel - Ken Starr- to endlessly crawl up Clinton's anus until he found or created something with which to hang Bill.
The resulting articles of impeachment were ... SIGNY
weak tea amid Bill and Hilliary's escape from justice due their long list of criminal perpetrations.... JSF
... As you all know, I'm no fan of Bill Clinton. I think he's a corrupt sexual predator who - along with Hillary- concocted any number of shady transactions to enrich himself at every level of public office, including (for all I know) running drugs thru Arkanas. HOWEVER. IMHO articles of impeachment should be limited to what a person does AS PRESIDENT. Special Prosecutors and Independent Counsels should not have license to engage in free-ranging unlimited witch hunts. Uncovering of NON-Presidential crimes should be investigated and prosecuted ordinarily, and not be part of articles of impeachment.
That was my opinion then, and it's my opinion now. It applies equally to Bill, Bush, Obama, Trump, and any other President.
My criticism of Bill AS PRESIDENT has to do with what he did AS PRESIDENT, and that includes
repealing Glass Steagall
promoting and signing the DMCA
promoting and signing NAFTA and CAFTA and creating a special trade partnership with China
promoting and signing the Commodities Futures Trading Modernization Act
"Ending Welfare as We Know It", AND, as I was recently reminded
Deregulating the media which allowed six companies ownership of 90% of the market
The "punishment" for these horrible policies shouldn't be impeachment, but simply being voted out of office .... which is why I refused to vote for Bill the second time around.
Again, should apply to all Presidents, and is an example of what I call even-handed application of ethics and rules.- SIGNY
Your memory has failed epically. 2 Presidents have been Impeached. Both Democrats. Neither named Nixon. Nixon was not one of the 3 Impeachments. No matter how many times you dredge out this delusion from your fantasies and pretend it is a fact, does not make it so.- JSF
As SECOND reminded me, "impeachment" is like "indictment", except by Congress. Once the articles of impeachment are approved, they move on to the Senate, which would find the officeholder either guilty or not guilty.
The articles of impeachment for Nixon were approved, but Nixon resigned before the Senate took them up.
Also, as I have detailed in my post, I think that Bill and Hillary were about the crookedest political couple in American history. HOWEVER, "impeachment" IMHO applies to crimes committed WHILE IN OFFICE, not to things that the officeholder(s) may have done before. If the investigator find evidence of crimes committed earlier, prosecution should be turned over to whichever jurisdiction can rightfully prosecute.
Also, impeachment shouldn't be a weapon to bludgeon the officeholder over policy differences. If you disagree with a person's policies, just don't vote for them.
The limitations on impeachment apply to Trump as well as to Bill. If you want
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I'll bet you dollars to donuts that if there is anything brought against Trump, it won't have diddly-squat to do with Russia.
This is probably going to turn out like Bill Clinton .... they dug and dug and dug and dug and came up with .... not an affair with "that women" but the fact that he lied to Congress about it. What you'll see is a lot of goalpost-moving ... not "collusion" exactly and not Russia at all but something else ... maybe something in his business affairs.
But yanno, it occurred to me ... why fight the hysteria?
Let's say that you get your wish, and Trump is impeached. Even better, Congress is returned to the Dems.
But the USA will still be de-industrialized, wealth inequality will still increase, there will still be endless wars at random throughout the globe, trade agreements will be signed which hogtie any of our well-intended regulations, our healthcare system will still consist of a giant hemorrhage of government money into private insurers and big pharma, and we'll still be facing an unpayable public and private debt.
I love America, I really do. So then what? ...
Apparently nobody is able to answer the question.
Just going to add one more problem to the list of problems that Trump DIDN'T create:
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78% Of US Workers Are Living 'Paycheck-To-Paycheck' & 71% Of Them Are In Debt
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-02/78-us-workers-are-living-payc
heck-paycheck-71-them-are-debt
Again, NOT A DEFENSE OF TRUMP.
But you all seem to feel that Trump is "the" problem, and that impeaching Trump is "the" solution, when in reality the problems are much larger than Trump, and go back much, much farther than one year! . Impeaching Trump might make you feel good, BUT THEN WHAT?
Who's going to solve these problems? The crooked DNC?
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Attorney General Jeff Sessions rejected a proposal by a junior campaign aide who offered to use his "Russian contacts" to try to set up a meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News.
The aide, George Papadopoulos, has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, and documents released Monday show he was in contact with Russians who offered him "dirt" on Hillary Clinton — including thousands of emails.
This new revelation is significant because Sessions told Congress under oath in June that he had "no knowledge" of any conversations by anyone connected to the Trump campaign about "any type of interference with any campaign" by Russians.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sessions-rejected-russian-proposa
l-campaign-adviser-source-says-n817001
Tick tock, tick tock
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"But then" we dont hav the international embarrassment, Siggy. And therez also the not having a blackmailed puppet running the country into the ground thing.
Sessionz iz so busted its funny watching him wok around like he iznt going to jail.
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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early
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JO ... not having Trump to pick on doesn't pay the bills or right the economy. And your fantasy of Trump being blackmailed by Putin is just so laughable and off-the-wall it's not even worth responding to.
I know that facing our big problems is difficult because they've been allowed to fester so long that they're almost intractable. But still, ignoring them isn't going to make them go away.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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THUGR:
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Ex-British spy [was] paid $168,000 for Trump dossier, U.S. firm discloses
A Washington research firm paid a former British spy’s company $168,000 for work on a dossier outlining Russian financial and personal links to Donald Trump’s 2016 election campaign, the U.S. firm said in a statement on Wednesday...
Fusion GPS’ statement said it had told Congress about how $168,000 was paid last year to Orbis Business Intelligence, Steele’s company.
The money paid to Orbis was taken from $1.02 million it received in fees and expenses from the Perkins Coie law firm, the statement said. The law firm represented the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign ...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-dossier/ex-british-
spy-paid-168000-for-trump-dossier-u-s-firm-discloses-idUSKBN1D15XH?utm_campaign=digest&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nuzzel
In other words, the DNC and Hillary Clinton, thru their common law firm, paid Russians[s] for "dirt" on Trump.
How is that any different than what the Trump campaign is accused of doing, except that the Trump campaign didn't pay anybody and never got a "dossier" from their abortive contacts?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:Picked from your list a simple example where the two parties take opposite sides: "wealth inequality will still increase". Today's headline was With wrinkles ironed out, Republicans unveil tax plan Under that was Bill writer Brady heralds measure, while Democrats denounce it as giveaway to rich
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But yanno, it occurred to me ... why fight the hysteria?
Let's say that you get your wish, and Trump is impeached. Even better, Congress is returned to the Dems.
But the USA will still be de-industrialized, wealth inequality will still increase, there will still be endless wars at random throughout the globe, trade agreements will be signed which hogtie any of our well-intended regulations, our healthcare system will still consist of a giant hemorrhage of government money into private insurers and big pharma, and we'll still be facing an unpayable public and private debt.
I believe the following will be true for many years: The GOP uses the tax code to increase wealth inequality. Democrats will oppose.
Yesterday's GOP bill could have been a tax reform bill that encouraged companies to invest and innovate. It could have been a tax reform bill that disrupted the irresponsible, socially costly business model of Wall Street.
It’s none of those things. Instead, it’s a pretty blatant cash grab for corporations and wealthy individuals, without much positive to show for that.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/3/16599788/republican-tax-plan
-failures-child-credit-expensing
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www.marketwatch.com/story/director-rob-reiner-on-lbj-president-johnson
-would-not-have-understood-trump-2017-11-03
Question: You didn’t like LBJ growing up. He’s got the Vietnam War. You certainly don’t like Trump. What makes you sure, less than a year into his presidency, that Trump won’t go on to achieve anything?
Answer: It’s extraordinary the legislation LBJ passed — the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid, Head Start. Trump has achieved nothing. There’s a big difference between Donald Trump and LBJ. LBJ was a larger-than-life character, he had flaws, a big ego. But he knew deep down in his bones how to get things done. He understood how to make the intersection of politics, policy and government work together in a profound way. Donald Trump has no idea how government works and the worst part is he has no interest in learning. He is so narcissistic that all he cares about is how he can make things better for himself.
What LBJ could do that Trump isn’t able to do is to broker deals between both sides. If you look at what he did with the Civil Rights Act, it was rejected by all the Southern Democrats. He even said when it was passed, we’re going to lose the south for a generation. It was more than a generation. He knew that in order to make something work and get done, he had to reach across the aisle and get votes from the other side. Trump doesn’t even know the beginning of how to do it.
Question: Are the Democrats providing an effective opposition to Trump?
Answer: No. I don’t think they’ve ever seen anything like this and I don’t think they know what to do. But I think ultimately Trump is going to implode and be brought down by his own devices. I don’t think the Democrats are going to have anything to do with it.
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SIG, can you see me laughing? Spin the truth all you want in these threads. What's going on in reality is playing out in the real world, not in your diseased little mind. Funny how nothing from the real world backs up the claims you make. Hillary is not under investigation for colluding with the Russians; Trump is. Hillary is not the president, Trump is.
On a side note. I'm sure all Putin's friends are real happy the world is now focused on their money laundering process, and will be taking serious steps to frustrate that. Why, payback for the Russians meddling in all their elections. What goes around comes around. Consider for a moment comrade that Mueller's investigation may lead to charges against many if not all of Putin's friends. Hmmm, he may not be able to go to Russia and get them, but his investigations can cause havoc in their lives.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Ex-British spy [was] paid $168,000 for Trump dossier, U.S. firm discloses
A Washington research firm paid a former British spy’s company $168,000 for work on a dossier outlining Russian financial and personal links to Donald Trump’s 2016 election campaign, the U.S. firm said in a statement on Wednesday...
Fusion GPS’ statement said it had told Congress about how $168,000 was paid last year to Orbis Business Intelligence, Steele’s company.
The money paid to Orbis was taken from $1.02 million it received in fees and expenses from the Perkins Coie law firm, the statement said. The law firm represented the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign ...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-dossier/ex-british-
spy-paid-168000-for-trump-dossier-u-s-firm-discloses-idUSKBN1D15XH?utm_campaign=digest&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nuzzel
In other words, the DNC and Hillary Clinton, thru their common law firm, paid Russians[s] for "dirt" on Trump.
How is that any different than what the Trump campaign is accused of doing, except that the Trump campaign didn't pay anybody and never got a "dossier" from their abortive contacts?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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