Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"

I'll bet you dollars to donuts that if there is anything brought against Trump, it won't have diddly-squat to do with Russia.

This is probably going to turn out like Bill Clinton .... they dug and dug and dug and dug and came up with .... not an affair with "that women" but the fact that he lied to Congress about it. What you'll see is a lot of goalpost-moving ... not "collusion" exactly and not Russia at all but something else ... maybe something in his business affairs.

But yanno, it occurred to me ... why fight the hysteria?

Let's say that you get your wish, and Trump is impeached. Even better, Congress is returned to the Dems.

But the USA will still be de-industrialized, wealth inequality will still increase, there will still be endless wars at random throughout the globe, trade agreements will be signed which hogtie any of our well-intended regulations, our healthcare system will still consist of a giant hemorrhage of government money into private insurers and big pharma, and we'll still be facing an unpayable public and private debt.


I love America, I really do. So then what?


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'll bet you dollars to donuts that if there is anything brought against Trump, it won't have diddly-squat to do with Russia.

This is probably going to turn out like Bill Clinton .... they dug and dug and dug and dug and came up with .... not an affair with "that women" but the fact that he lied to Congress about it. What you'll see is a lot of goalpost-moving ... not "collusion" exactly and not Russia at all but something else ... maybe something in his business affairs.

But yanno, it occurred to me ... why fight the hysteria?

Let's say that you get your wish, and Trump is impeached. Even better, Congress is returned to the Dems.

But the USA will still be de-industrialized, wealth inequality will still increase, there will still be endless wars at random throughout the globe, trade agreements will be signed which hogtie any of our well-intended regulations, our healthcare system will still consist of a giant hemorrhage of government money into private insurers and big pharma, and we'll still be facing an unpayable public and private debt.


I love America, I really do. So then what?

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Apparently nobody is able to answer the question.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Got an email from my congressman, Randy Hultgren (R). It wuz a standard GoP blitherblather about 'our energy future' attempting to make it look like they arent working for the fossil fuel industry.

I sent a reply about wuts really going on:

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Dear Mr. Hultgren,

I have been reading The Federalist Papers.

One of the big concerns of the founding fathers was the danger of foreign powers influencing people within our government. They go into some detail about how the ancient Greek city-state's attempts at democracy would always fail due to foreign actors taking advantage of internal rivalries.

If Hamilton, Madison, Jay, or any of the founding fathers were around today to witness what is going on with Trump and Putin, they would surely be aghast at the dismal failure of their creation.

They would instantly see that the wrench jamming the gears is party loyalty gaining priority over patriotism.

Even without the treasonous conspiracy, they would be appalled that such a carnival barker clown had managed to gain the Presidency and that he has yet to be impeached in spite of the non-stop goofs, lies and bafoonery.

I am sorry to have to inform you of this, but it is glaringly obvious that you and all the Republicans in the highest offices in the land are not adhering to your oath of office. You are failing to do your duty. The separation of powers cannot work when your loyalty is to your party rather than the nation. You are participating in treason, even if your only crime is inaction.

I understand you are not a major player in Congress, but that is no excuse. Your duty is to your local constituents and the United States of America, not the GOP.

I do not know the intricacies of your political situation or how things 'work' in Washington, but I suggest that if you can't get a coalition of Republican congressmen together to oust Ryan, call for Trump's impeachment, or otherwise end Putin's control over The White House, switch to Democrat or declare yourself an independent with a strong statement as to why.

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I'm about 85% sure there will be no respons. Randy just goez along to get along. A career politician, very comfortable in hiz jerrymandered GoP district.

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I keep hearing about Congressmen getting crazy letters from whackadoodle mentally unhinged, full of delusional ramblings and rants.
Excellent example right there.

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So, I'm going to add something about the role of Special Prosecutor.

In my memory, two Presidents have been investigated by a Special Prosecutor: Nixon, and Clinton, and subsequently been impeached.

I don't remember much about the Nixon impeachment, other than that he was widely characterized as "tricky Dick" and derided for his paranoid behavior, but the essence was that he covered up - not the Watergate break in - but the exposure of

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Secret contributions were the driving force behind the criminal activities in the Watergate scandal. They included million-dollar payoffs, bribery, and regular, organized extortion of companies and individuals, both American and foreign, by operatives for Richard Nixon.

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Hmmm... sounds a bit like the Clinton Foundation. But I digress...

The event which propelled impeachment forward was Nixon firing the Special Prosecutor, Archibald Cox. A lesson there for Trump.

Now it seems to me that the Nixon impeachment proceedings were warranted; although Nixon didn't direct the illegal activities and in some cases wasn't even aware of them, once he was apprised of the situation he did his best to bury it, even asking the CIA to take part.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry-sussman/a-watergate-lesson-secret
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The second investigation - of Bill Clinton- began with the DOJ appointment of Robert Fiske as Special Prosecutor. His remit was Whitewater in relation to the suicide of Vince Foster. When he failed to find any wrongdoing, the Republican Congress appointed an Independent Counsel - Ken Starr- to endlessly crawl up Clinton's anus until he found or created something with which to hang Bill.

The resulting articles of impeachment were a travesty and completely unjustified.

As you all know, I'm no fan of Bill Clinton. I think he's a corrupt sexual predator who - along with Hillary- concocted any number of shady transactions to enrich himself at every level of public office, including (for all I know) running drugs thru Arkanas. HOWEVER. IMHO articles of impeachment should be limited to what a person does AS PRESIDENT. Special Prosecutors and Independent Counsels should not have license to engage in free-ranging unlimited witch hunts. Uncovering of NON-Presidential crimes should be investigated and prosecuted ordinarily, and not be part of articles of impeachment.

That was my opinion then, and it's my opinion now. It applies equally to Bill, Bush, Obama, Trump, and any other President.

My criticism of Bill AS PRESIDENT has to do with what he did AS PRESIDENT, and that includes

repealing Glass Steagall
promoting and signing the DMCA
promoting and signing NAFTA and CAFTA and creating a special trade partnership with China
promoting and signing the Commodities Futures Trading Modernization Act
"Ending Welfare as We Know It", AND, as I was recently reminded
Deregulating the media which allowed six companies ownership of 90% of the market

The "punishment" for these horrible policies shouldn't be impeachment, but simply being voted out of office .... which is why I refused to vote for Bill the second time around.

Again, should apply to all Presidents, and is an example of what I call even-handed application of ethics and rules.



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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Did Trump sanction Flynns discussions with Russia at the very time Putin was hacking us and trying to have an influence on our election? Just this morning Flynn tweeted "scapegoat"

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Yep

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and "discussion" and Hilliary illegally deleting Federal Records are related exactly how? Or any country sharing with the world info about even more of Hilliary's criminal perpetrations?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, I'm going to add something about the role of Special Prosecutor.

In my memory, two Presidents have been investigated by a Special Prosecutor: Nixon, and Clinton, and subsequently been impeached.

I don't remember much about the Nixon impeachment,

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Mostly because it never happened, other than in your dreams and fantasies. Don't fight the facts, let the truth set your mind free from the yoke of delusional Libtardism

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The second investigation - of Bill Clinton- began with the DOJ appointment of Robert Fiske as Special Prosecutor. His remit was Whitewater in relation to the suicide of Vince Foster. When he failed to find

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The Rose Law Firm Billing Records which Hilliary kept illegally sequestered in her White House closet, nor enough of the mountain of evidence for certain proof of

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wrongdoing, the Republican Congress appointed an Independent Counsel - Ken Starr- to endlessly crawl up Clinton's anus until he found or created something with which to hang Bill.

The resulting articles of impeachment were

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weak tea amid Bill and Hilliary's escape from justice due their long list of criminal perpetrations.

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As you all know, I'm no fan of Bill Clinton. I think he's a corrupt sexual predator who - along with Hillary- concocted any number of shady transactions to enrich himself at every level of public office, including (for all I know) running drugs thru Arkanas. HOWEVER. IMHO articles of impeachment should be limited to what a person does AS PRESIDENT. Special Prosecutors and Independent Counsels should not have license to engage in free-ranging unlimited witch hunts. Uncovering of NON-Presidential crimes should be investigated and prosecuted ordinarily, and not be part of articles of impeachment.

That was my opinion then, and it's my opinion now. It applies equally to Bill, Bush, Obama, Trump, and any other President.

My criticism of Bill AS PRESIDENT has to do with what he did AS PRESIDENT, and that includes

repealing Glass Steagall
promoting and signing the DMCA
promoting and signing NAFTA and CAFTA and creating a special trade partnership with China
promoting and signing the Commodities Futures Trading Modernization Act
"Ending Welfare as We Know It", AND, as I was recently reminded
Deregulating the media which allowed six companies ownership of 90% of the market

The "punishment" for these horrible policies shouldn't be impeachment, but simply being voted out of office .... which is why I refused to vote for Bill the second time around.

Again, should apply to all Presidents, and is an example of what I call even-handed application of ethics and rules.

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Your memory has failed epically.
2 Presidents have been Impeached. Both Democrats. Neither named Nixon. Nixon was not one of the 3 Impeachments.
No matter how many times you dredge out this delusion from your fantasies and pretend it is a fact, does not make it so.

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