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What is wrong with the dems -
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Democrats, you can’t vote for Hillary: The case for writing in Bernie Sanders If Hillary Clinton is the nominee
We need structural change: Clinton as president would merge GOPers and Dems into one party on war & foreign policy
H. A. Goodman
Hillary Clinton doesn’t get it: Paul Krugman, Bernie Sanders and the truth about the free trade scam
Trade has been a disaster for Democratic voters, but a boon for Democratic politicians -- especially the Clintons
Making her first extensive comments about the crisis in Ukraine, Clinton said at a private fundraiser in California that Putin's campaign to provide Russian passports to those with Russian connections living outside his country's borders is reminiscent of Hitler's protection of ethnic Germans outside Germany, according to a report published overnight.
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ETA: This would be the time for Hillary to make some significant policy concessions, if not for the sake of the party, then for the sake of her political career. I predict she won't. And I think the reasons will have to do with some combination of her arrogance and the fact she's deeply beholden to powerful interests that she can't cross. Not if she wants to keep the dollars rolling in at least.
Polling suggests the party is becoming less unified, not more. In March, 78% of Democratic primary voters said they would be satisfied if Mrs. Clinton were the nominee. In April, that fell to 73%, according to Wall Street Journal/NBC News polling. Asked if they could see themselves supporting Mrs. Clinton for president, just 58% of Sanders primary voters said yes, with 40% saying no, according to the April poll.
It's not just Wall Street banks. Most companies and groups that paid Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to speak between 2013 and 2015 have lobbied federal agencies in recent years, and more than one-third are government contractors, an Associated Press review has found. Their interests are sprawling and would follow Clinton to the White House should she win election this fall.
Hillary Clinton is lying about the criminal U.S.-backed coup in Honduras. It should be as scandalous as Libya
The U.S., under Clinton's leadership, helped overthrow Honduras' elected government. Today the country is in chaos
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Hillary, Debbie and Roberta
Hillary Clinton Targets Republicans Turned Off by Donald Trump
It's interesting - despite being for Hillary, second hasn't posted here at all, and sgg's only posted one post which didn't say anything about her.
It's almost like they're afraid to discuss their candidate.
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Hillary’s holiday plans: FBI will reportedly interrogate Clinton over long weekend
Clinton’s pledge to forgive student debt of entrepreneurs, not average workers, will benefit the elite
Clinton wrong on student debt: Her new plan shows she learned nothing from the primary
I'll post more later. But what's wrong with Hillary is what's wrong with the party.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:Donald Trump and the Rage of Republican Voters
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, I'm not losing my cool. I'm simply describing you as I see you: You're a hypocritical liar and a phony patriot who can't even seem to imagine that "Americans" might actually have many things in common. Instead, you seem more intent on splitting people apart, looking down on an awful lot of people, denigrating democracy, and pandering to victim subgroups, your favorite of which is "the poor illegal immigrant".
Until you learn to DISCUSS things with people instead of constantly proselytizing with an endless stream of mostly bullshit, there's not much point in discussing much of anything with you.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/10/donald-trump-and-the-rage-of-ru
ral-voters/
David French is a conservative lawyer who writes for National Review. Last year he wrote scathingly about both Donald Trump and the alt-right and was rewarded with a barrage of abuse, much of the worst of it aimed at his wife and children. Yesterday he wrote not about the alt-right, but about ordinary rural conservatives who support Trump:
Quote:Where does this end? Does this rural rage become a permanent part of American life? Or does something happen to finally let the air out of it?
Trump is stoking a particularly destructive form of rage — and his followers don’t just allow themselves to be stoked, they attack Trump’s targets with glee. Contrary to the stereotype of journalists who live in the Beltway and spend their nights at those allegedly omnipresent “cocktail parties,” I live in rural Tennessee, deep in the heart of Trump country. My travels mainly take me to other parts of Trump country, where I engage with Trump voters all the time. If I live in a bubble, it’s the Trump bubble. I know it intimately.
And I have never in my adult life seen such anger. There is a near-universal hatred of the media. There is a near-universal hatred of the so-called “elite.” If a person finds out that I didn’t support Trump, I’ll often watch their face transform into a mask of rage. Partisans are so primed to fight — and they so clearly define whom they’re fighting against — that they often don’t care whom or what they’re fighting for….Don’t like the media? Shut it down. Don’t like kneeling football players? Make them stand. Tired of American weakness overseas? Cheer incoherent and reckless tweets as evidence of “strength.”
The two big explanations for the rise of this rural anger (and the rise of Trump) revolve around economics and race. The modern economy has screwed these folks over and they’re tired of it. Or: they’re badly threatened by the growth of the nonwhite population. Which is it? Almost certainly both, and in any case it doesn’t matter much: both of these things are likely to get worse from their point of view. The nonwhite population share is obviously going to keep growing, and the economy of the future is only going to become ever more tilted toward the highly educated. If working-class whites really are enraged by either or both of these things, they’re only going to get more enraged as time goes by.
That’s especially true if they keep voting for Republicans, who will actively make these things worse while skillfully laying off the blame on “elites” and “Hollywood liberals.” Keeping the rage machine going is their ticket to political power.
How do we prick this bubble? Obama tried to give them cheap health care, and it enraged them. He passed stricter regulation on the Wall Street financiers who brought us the Great Recession, and they didn’t care. He fought to reduce their payroll taxes and fund infrastructure to help the economy get back on track, and they sneered that it was just a lot of wasted money that ballooned the national debt.
At the same time, Obama didn’t try to take their guns away. He didn’t outlaw Christianity or conduct a war on Christmas. He didn’t do much of anything related to abortion. He did promote a number of gay-friendly policies, and pr
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Quote:Then that makes Trump your candidate. Discuss how your imaginary version of Hillary is worse than reality Trump.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
It's interesting - despite being for Hillary, second hasn't posted here at all, and sgg's only posted one post which didn't say anything about her.
It's almost like they're afraid to discuss their candidate.
Praise your Trump, 1kiki, for he is hard at work wrecking the health care system — which could make sense if he had even a notion of what he’d like to see in its place. (Could his secret plan be “great, great health care for everybody at a tiny fraction of the cost” — which is not too much of an exaggerated description of what they already have in Canada and throughout Europe, Great Britain, Singapore and Japan? No, I don’t think so. He has no idea what he’s doing.)
Trump is treating the Puerto Rican crisis as if, well, let’s face it, Puerto Ricans were not real Americans — a view many of his faithful probably share.
And then there’s his work to undermine the agreement that brought Iran back from the brink of nuclear proliferation, to undermine environmental protections, to rain fire and fury on N Korea. Talk about how you helped Trump into power, 1kiki, because Hillary and Michelle Obama have equal political power in the USA -- none -- and aren't worth discussing. Tell us that Trump is better than Hillary, 1kiki.
1kiki, don't tell us about Bernie. As a Senator, he had and will have as little influence as George McGovern. I know you said Bernie was your candidate, but he lost to Hillary by more votes in the primary than Trump lost to Hillary in the general. With the election system the Constitution gave us in the 18th Century, it was a choice between Trump or Hillary. And even if 1kiki doesn't understand how voting works, 1kiki picked Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Texas’ largest power generator plans to shutter three of the state’s largest coal plants early next year, highlighting the continued decline of coal even as President Donald Trump tries to prop up the struggling industry.
Dallas-based Vistra Energy said the closure of its financially struggling Sandow plant near Austin and the Big Brown plant east of Waco, including their associated coal mines, will occur in January and February, respectively, eliminating about 650 jobs in the process. A week ago, Vistra said it would will close its Monticello coal plant in Northeast Texas in January and cut about 200 more jobs there.
The planned shutdowns come just afew days after the Trump administration said it would repeal greenhouse gas regulations known as the Clean Power Plan that President Donald Trump and other Republicans have blamed for the decline in the coal industry. Vistra executives, however, blamed low electricity prices and competition from cleaner, lower-cost natural gas-fired plants and renewable energy sources, perhaps underscoring that the so-called war on coal may be more about economics than regulations.
Barely any of the state’s more than 15 coal plants are turning a profit, according to power companies.
“The economics right now are dominating any political rhetoric,” said Travis Miller, power and utilities analyst at the research firm Morningstar. “Coal plants just can’t compete with renewable energy and natural gas, especially in Texas,” which is by far the nation’s biggest producer of wind power.
Wind accounts for more than 15 percent of the state’s electricity. Coal, which once generated about half of the state’s electricity, today accounts for just 30 percent.
The three plant closings, if approved by the state’s grid operator, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, would relieve Vistra of unprofitable operations . . .
In Texas, the power companies rely on price spikes during hot summer days to earn profits. But the surge of electricity generated by wind farms and, increasingly, solar panels has smoothed those spikes and slashed profits. Obviously, if Trump pays a price per megawatt-hour higher for coal-based electricity than renewable energy, he can win the war on coal. I dare him to try. I'm curious to see how far Trump will actually go to protect coal mining jobs.
www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Vistra-to-shutter-two
-more-coal-fired-plants-12277119.php
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
It's interesting - despite being for Hillary, second hasn't posted here at all, and sgg's only posted one post which didn't say anything about her.
It's almost like they're afraid to discuss their candidate.
Quote:No, that makes Jill Stein my candidate. Or maybe Gary Johnson. Or Darrell Lane Castle (Constitution Party), or Rocky De La Fuente (Reform Party), or Evan McMullin (Independent), or Gloria Estela La Riva (Party for Socialism and Liberation).
Originally posted by SECOND:
Then that makes Trump your candidate.
After all, I didn't discuss them either.
Logic fail much, SECOND?
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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So, to start to summarize what's been wrong with Hillary for years, and by extension, what's wrong with the Democratic party:
They're a bunch of corrupt crony insiders (like Hillary, Debbie, and Roberta) who work the system to benefit their masters (international corporations, banks, and neo-cons) in order to benefit themselves.
As beneficiaries of the status quo, of course neither Hillary nor the party have any interest in changing the system to benefit the 99%.
So instead of trying to unite people to foster the common good, they focus on creating multiple special status victimhoods. For example, you'll find that in the the DNC platform LGBT Rights, Disability Rights, Agricultural Communities, Poverty / Communities Left Behind, Honoring Indigenous Tribal Nations, People of the Territories, and Puerto Rico all get their own special sections of special mention. And let's not forget Student Debt, Minority-Serving Institutions, Women and Girls, Young People, Religious Minorities and Refugees, which also get their own sections. And I'm sure if i looked harder, I'd find more.
What could be so terribly hard about setting a goal that everyone, regardless of sex, age, health, race, religion, location, culture or background will all have opportunities for meaningful employment that supports a secure lifestyle?
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:Fail much yourself, Russian Troll? You can't even say which one you voted for. If you had voted in the election, you wouldn't be so coy about it now. So, real quick, make up an answer. Doesn't matter which candidate, nobody will believe it anyway, you big phony American who is actually from Russia.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
No, that makes Jill Stein my candidate. Or maybe Gary Johnson. Or Darrell Lane Castle (Constitution Party), or Rocky De La Fuente (Reform Party), or Evan McMullin (Independent), or Gloria Estela La Riva (Party for Socialism and Liberation).
After all, I didn't discuss them either.
Logic fail much, SECOND?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:No, let's mention one of Trump's complex blunders from this week:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, to start to summarize what's been wrong with Hillary for years, and by extension, what's wrong with the Democratic party:
Just before the Iranian Nuclear deal was signed, the Republican controlled Congress—which had no say in the matter, since it was not a formal treaty—passed a law called the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act. This law requires the president to certify, every 90 days, that Iran is still in compliance. If he certifies otherwise (in other words, if he acknowledges that Iran has been caught cheating), Congress could vote within 60 days to reimpose the sanctions.
The Republicans who wrote this law thought they were pulling a fast one: Iran was certain to cheat; President Obama or Hillary Clinton (his most likely successor) would be put in the embarrassing spot of admitting it; and Congress would destroy the deal. But, as the inspectors have reported time and time again, Iran is not cheating. Even Trump has had to certify twice that Iran was in compliance—and he was getting sick and tired of it. The most recent time he signed the certificate, he said that he probably wouldn’t do it the next time.
The 90-day deadline is this Sunday. Iran is still in compliance. So what did Trump do? He decided to decertify Iran anyway and to invent reasons why.
If our face-off with North Korea is to end without war, it will require some sort of diplomatic settlement. But how can North Korea believe any deal Trump would sign or guarantee he would make, if he pulls out of the Iran deal, even though Iran is abiding by its terms?
More at www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2017/10/why_trump
_s_iran_speech_was_one_of_the_most_dishonest_and_dangerous_ones.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:I'm a rich, white Texas gun-owner. I can pass as a Republican. That is how I know what Republicans believe. To summarize: "Why can't the Democrats treat white people better than the niggers, queers and Mex-skins? We are better!" This comes from the mouths of Republicans who have been beating down niggers, queers and Mex-skins all their lives. There is an article about how that works at the Business Insider:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, to start to summarize what's been wrong with the Democratic party:
So instead of trying to unite people to foster the common good, they focus on creating multiple special status victimhoods. For example, you'll find that in the the DNC platform LGBT Rights, Disability Rights, Agricultural Communities, Poverty / Communities Left Behind, Honoring Indigenous Tribal Nations, People of the Territories, and Puerto Rico all get their own special sections of special mention. And let's not forget Student Debt, Minority-Serving Institutions, Women and Girls, Young People, Religious Minorities and Refugees, which also get their own sections. And I'm sure if i looked harder, I'd find more.
What could be so terribly hard about setting a goal that everyone, regardless of sex, age, health, race, religion, location, culture or background will all have opportunities for meaningful employment that supports a secure lifestyle?
www.businessinsider.com/racial-wealth-gap-in-the-us-is-astounding-2015
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Or a more recent article, more focused on one race, at:
www.epi.org/blog/the-racial-wealth-gap-how-african-americans-have-been
-shortchanged-out-of-the-materials-to-build-wealth/
This information applies to Republicans in all states, not just Texas. Some Republicans I am familiar with in Nebraska and Utah are exceptions. And good for them! Even better, those exceptional Republicans would not vote for Trump.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:That hard part FOR SECOND is that he would have to end his exclusive focus on "evil Republicans", drop his biases against poor white Americans, and commit to an actual policy of equality for everyone. But since SECOND's POV is inherently twisted, he can't possibly give up his one-sided vendetta against Republicans specifically and white American citizens generally, but must always and exclusively bleat about
What could be so terribly hard about setting a goal that everyone, regardless of sex, age, health, race, religion, location, culture or background will all have opportunities for meaningful employment that supports a secure lifestyle? - KIKI
Quote:I guess he forgot to add "women" to the list.
niggers, queers and Mex-skins.
But anyway, SECOND, instead of me answering for you, why don't YOU tell us? What's wrong with a policy of equality for everyone?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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