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SECOND

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:35 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Wrong. BOTH Dems and Repubs . . .

Ha Ha! Nice rant, but the truth is that the system doesn't work well for the lower 50%, or is it the lower 80%? lower 99%? because Americans do the same stupid things, keep falling into the same century-old traps set for them at work, at banks, at every big business, by the 1%. They never learn precisely how to avoid the traps. Then to make sure that the traps are never removed, Americans keep returning the same incumbent politicians to office, politicians who ARE the 1%. See the article "The incredibly boring reason Trump is on track to win in 2020: The incumbent usually wins"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/9/16447546/trump-2020

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:49 AM

The flaws a Nobel Prize-winning economist wants you to know about yourself (You're not the 1% because you overindulge in these flaws)

Sorry to say it, but you’re not perfect. Democrats know this; Republicans not so much. We like to believe that we are smart, rational creatures, acting in our best interests. In fact, dominant economic theory these days often makes that assumption.

What was left of this illusion was further dismantled by the The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, who awarded the Nobel prize in economics to Richard Thaler, an American economist at the University of Chicago, for his pioneering work in behavioral economics, which examines humanity’s flaws—namely, why we don’t make rational economic decisions.

Here are some of the main ways behavioral economists like Thaler say we let ourselves down. More at https://qz.com/1098078 Republicans are not allowed to read that article. Democrats are welcome.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:59 AM

old info and not relevant, nobody's thought of people as rational deciders for over a decade

And once again you posted something that failed to address the actual ideas of the person you're pretending to have a discussion with.

Which is what makes you completely useless as a factor in changing anyone's mind --- except of course to make them think less, and less, and less of you, as time goes on. You're certainly changing people's minds about you.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:58 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
old info and not relevant, nobody's thought of people as rational deciders for over a decade

And once again you posted something that failed to address the actual ideas of the person you're pretending to have a discussion with.

Which is what makes you completely useless as a factor in changing anyone's mind --- except of course to make them think less, and less, and less of you, as time goes on. You're certainly changing people's minds about you.

KIKI gets the Nobel Prize for the funniest post!

SECOND, if YOU think that I take the atomistic, rational (indeed prescient) actor of standard economic theory at all seriously, then your head is up your ass. MOST economic theory today is sheer bunk, which is ... wait, hold the presses! .... exactly what that article about "algorithmic" flaws said! Don't you understand or even read your own posts?? There is a serious problem with the underpinnings of today's economic theory, about how an economy works and what makes an economy run well. I have three books on the ten (in total) wrong assumptions underpinning today's economic theory, and the "rational actor" assumption is only one of them.

I only posted the list of ideas on how to FIX THE ALGORITHM to demonstrate that

.... if you really think that the problem is "Republicans", or "Trump", or even "people" then you're thinking too small.

Way too small.

Way waaaay too small.

Ditch your psychology degree and look into the world of physics and programming, because what you're dealing with is a non-human system, even tho humans are in it.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Hillary would never have run as VP. Way too big of an ego.

She technically did win the popular vote. I think a lot of people who voted for Trump were simply voting against the Clinton family and the status quo.

I think say, a female version of Bernie Sanders would have won by a landslide against Trump.

I don't think it had much to do with a fact she was a woman in the end. Sure, there are some people who were voting against that, but they generally speaking would have been voting against any democrat these days for a lot of other reasons anyhow.

You guys (and gals) just put the wrong woman up. She's just a shitty person all around. If you put another woman up next time, I suggest that it be somebody people actually like. Don't want to make a streak of females losing in that race and set a precedent of it.

A bit of precedent already.
Ferraro as VP. Lost
Palin as VP. Lost
Clinton as POTUS. Lost.
Of course ultra-liberals Mondale and McCain really lost the top of the tickets.

SECOND

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:13 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

KIKI gets the Nobel Prize for the funniest post!

SECOND, if YOU think that I take the atomistic, rational (indeed prescient) actor of standard economic theory at all seriously, then your head is up your ass. MOST economic theory today is sheer bunk, which is ... wait, hold the presses! .... exactly what that article about "algorithmic" flaws said! Don't you understand or even read your own posts?? There is a serious problem with the underpinnings of today's economic theory, about how an economy works and what makes an economy run well. I have three books on the ten (in total) wrong assumptions underpinning today's economic theory, and the "rational actor" assumption is only one of them.

The Republican Party swears on a stack of Bibles that the Market place is rational. When the GOP voters see that blacks and browns have lower networth they take it as proof of white superiority. The market awarded white virtue, at least according to Republicans I know in Texas.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/05/heres-why-the-wealth-ga
p-is-widening-between-white-families-and-everyone-else/

On the other hand, if a white GOP voter is poor, he takes it as proof that the market is being manipulated by Democrats to make him poor. See for just one example Trump's references to The War On Coal. West Virginia really ate up Trump's nonsense that coalminers lost jobs because of Democrats. They actually lost jobs because natural gas is cheaper than coal. There is your Market place doing its job. If only natural gas was imported from China, the GOP could have blamed low import tariffs and the Chinese, but gas comes from Texas, which is GOP country, so the GOP came up with a plausible, yet false, story about Democrats.

GOP voters think that their economic success is all of their own doing. On the other hand, the 1%, most of whom are in the GOP at the very top, know that the vast majority of Americans are easily fooled out of their money. You can get a Nobel Prize in economics, or get rich in business, based on that knowledge. Will the fools ever learn to stop being fooled? Business certainly hopes not since the rich would be stopped from getting ever richer at an ever faster pace.
https://angrybearblog.com/2017/10/right-wing-propaganda-tank-ipi-likes
-the-trump-tax-cuts-for-the-rich-framework.html

A Republican reading the following would declare it FAKE NEWS. Sorry, Republicans, it is not fake.

Radically incorrect economic ideas flourish when they serve the powerful.
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/10/08/the-schlock-of-the-new/

When the 2008 financial crisis struck, there were many calls for new economic ideas – even an Institute for New Economic Thinking. The implicit story, pretty much taken for granted as true, was that the crisis proved the inadequacy of economic orthodoxy and the need for fundamental new concepts. Pretty obviously, too, supporters of calls for new thinking had a sort of Hollywood script version of how it would play out: daring innovators would propose radical ideas, would face resistance from old fuddy-duddies, but would eventually win out through their superior ability to predict events.

What actually happened was very different. Panics and bank runs are an old topic, discussed in every economic principles book. The reason few economists saw the 2008 panic and bank run coming was an empirical failure – few realized that the rise of "shadow banking" had done an end run around Depression-era bank safeguards and, thus, avoided the business expense of deposit insurance, made more profit, but also made the banking system more prone to crashes. Yes, it has been referred to "shadow banking" for a reason. Just because few took into account the potential impact of a new phenomenon that was largely working in the shadows, does not mean that the economic orthodoxy was wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banking_system

The point was that only the dimmest of free-market i

SECOND

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:50 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

And once again you posted something that failed to address the actual ideas of the person you're pretending to have a discussion with.

Which is what makes you completely useless as a factor in changing anyone's mind --- except of course to make them think less, and less, and less of you, as time goes on. You're certainly changing people's minds about you.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

There is no discussion because I think you are inauthentic. Remember the accusations that 1kiki and Signym are Russian trolls? That is one of the nicest theory about what you really are: you're making a living, you're serving Mother Russia, you're writing well. If you are a Russian troll, congratulations. You've done fine work for the Empire. There are other theories that are less complementary. Do you remember ending your posts with "Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda"? In only two sentences, you communicated that you're either a troll or a nut. But you still have more sentences to go in your signature that are nuttier and more trollish. Even if you change your signature, you won't be changed, whoever and whatever you really are.

Now this is what a signature should look like. It proves itself to be authentic when you click the link, then click a second link to get the script, then read the script to discover how Wash manages to live:

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I guess you could decide that the script is not authentic, that Joss didn't write what he wrote, because that version wasn't made into a movie. That would be very in line with how 1kiki's mind works -- misunderstand and disbelieve everything inconvenient to your world.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:33 PM

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The Republican Party swears on a stack of Bibles that the Market place is rational. When the GOP voters see that blah blah blah and blah blah blah ... - SECOND

Now you're sounding like WISHY: "All men are violent". Despite the rather interesting article that you posted about bad algorithms, none of that actually absorbed, did it? For a moment, it seemed like you caught a glimmer of a larger world, but then went back to pounding your provincial, partisan belief system.

Quote:
And once again you posted something that failed to address the actual ideas of the person you're pretending to have a discussion with.

Which is what makes you completely useless as a factor in changing anyone's mind --- except of course to make them think less, and less, and less of you, as time goes on. You're certainly changing people's minds about you. - KIKI

There is no discussion because I think you are inauthentic.- SECOND

If you're not interesting in having a discussion, why the hell would anyone want to converse with you? All YOU'RE doing is pushing your religion. You're boring as shit, did you know that?

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Remember the accusations that 1kiki and Signym are Russian trolls? That is one of the nicest theory about what you really are:- SECOND

Oh, hon, you wouldn't believe the theories that we have about you. One of the nicest ones is that you're pro-illegal immigration because you hate America and you hate Americans - especially white American males - because you're really loyal to Mexico. You just want to see this country go down in flames.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SECOND

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:35 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If you're not interesting in having a discussion, why the hell would anyone want to converse with you? All YOU'RE doing is pushing your religion. You're boring as shit, did you know that?

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Remember the accusations that 1kiki and Signym are Russian trolls? That is one of the nicest theory about what you really are:- SECOND
Oh, hon, you wouldn't believe the theories that we have about you. One of the nicest ones is that you're pro-illegal immigration because you hate America and you hate Americans, you're really loyal to Mexico.

I'll give you facts so you can create a theory about me: I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. www.jw.org

One teaching of the Witnesses is to strictly avoid politics. Others are: Don't vote. Don't join political parties. Don't join the military. Oops! I have fallen away, to the regret of my mother and sisters. But they still hope!

One of the beliefs of Witnesses that have stayed with me is that The Righteous are in the minority and the wicked are all around. They need to be saved, but they will have to come to The Truth of their own volition. I took that as Democrats are the Righteous and Republicans, since they are the Antonin Scalias of the world, are the wicked. Scalia is dead, choked to death on a chicken bone, the greedy fat bastard.

As a child I liked the illustrations where they showed the wicked, who looked like ordinary Republicans, being completely surprised when Armageddon destroys them. The look on their faces was "Aren't we the righteous ones? Why is fire and brimstone falling on us?" The Witnesses also believed they would be persecuted for their beliefs. Unsurprising to me, it is the Russians living down to my expectations:
www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2017/0501/Jehovah-s-Witnesses-as-extrem
ists-Court-sharpens-edges-of-Russia-s-religious-space

And the Republicans, unsurprisingly, are really into persecuting minorities. Perhaps I need to add that Democrats aren't?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:40 PM

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If you're not interesting in having a discussion, why the hell would anyone want to converse with you? All YOU'RE doing is pushing your religion. You're boring as shit, did you know that? - SIGNY

So, no answer to the question as to why anyone would even want to talk to you because you're not interested in having a discussion, you just want to push your political religion?

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Remember the accusations that 1kiki and Signym are Russian trolls? That is one of the nicest theory about what you really are:- SECOND

Oh, hon, you wouldn't believe the theories that we have about you. One of the nicest ones is that you're pro-illegal immigration because you hate America and you hate Americans, you're really loyal to Mexico. - SIGNY

I'll give you facts so you can create a theory about me: I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. www.jw.org - blah blah blah- SECOND

Uh huh. So you say.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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