Another series of Mass Shootings... at Las Vegas... 40 + People Dead?
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Normal people have normal job rights.
You've got two jobs Wishy. Whatever your day job is and professional victim.
You've lived your entire life being the victim. If you acknowledged the fact that everybody has equal opportunity in 2017, it would strip you of your very identity so you cling onto false logic and skewed statistics to validate your hatred and misandry.
I had a hard childhood too. Wasn't easy being the shortest boy in class and having glasses and braces at the same time. Kids are shitty. Both boys and girls. Men don't automatically have everything handed to them because they're in the penis club. There all in competition with each other from the moment we're in grade school.
You're a mom with a child. It's time for you to grow up and start acting like one or she's going to grow up to be a scared little man hating woman like you one day.
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6 has a point.
I am a LOL, a sweet little old lady ... who drives a truck.
It sort of picked me: My brother wanted to get rid of it,
& I could afford it.
I like my truck.
My family was the opposite of yours in one way. My Mom beat
my Dad up all the time; but it wasn't physical; it was verbal,
emotional, almost endless.
See, they both were the youngest in their families, the babies.
Not Adults.
I'll be 75 in November. I've worked thru a big pile of emotional
garbage in my life, both in & out of therapy. Read a few books
on it, too. I'm better now. Did the lessons kick in or did the
traumas fade? Some of the earliest ones still nag at me.
None of the changes came fast enough for me ... until they were done.
What I mainly work on now is a bit of mental control: meditation for peace.
The Men? Some/Lots of them really are gentle, caring Princes.
But the Nasties kick up a storm, threaten & draw more attention to themselves.
Now I can choose which ones will have my attention.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Just AVENS and Non-binary say that, but of course you would think if one person on the opposing side says it they all must.
Normal people just want normal job rights. That's what it's ALWAYS been about, since Rosie the Riveter...
Don't know what AVENS or Non-binary has to do w/ anything, but in a thread about a mass shooter where you try to lay blame on MALES , I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and nonsense that is you.
have a nice day.
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Quote:Oh goodies. You've decided to follow me from thread to thread, trolling.
KRAPO:I'm not meaning to target you specifically Sig, yours was just the post that finally jolted me to join in this discussion:
Quote:Hotels have the right to limit what you can bring onto their property, and - in a city awash with cash and alcohol - guns are not welcome.
SIG: it's not that a 64 year-old man couldn't carry all that stuff up to his room, but it would require MANY trips .... with heavy bags ... up the elevator. So, what is Mandalay Bay .... the Equifax of hotel security??
KRAPO: Are you suggesting there's something wrong with an American citizen carrying his arsenal of 20 guns around with him? Is that not his constitutional right?
Quote:No, but that's not what WISHY wrote. What she posted was that ALL MEN ARE VIOLENT. And she posted it more than once. Learn to read, willya?
SIGNY: WISHY, if you insist that "men" are more violent than "women"
KRAPO: Just skimming through this thread, but is the idea that men are statistically more violent than women supposed to be controversial?
Quote:You're confusing intelligence with ethics. Violence is one tool in the toolkit of manipulating your environment. Those who are willing to, and who know how to employ violence have more options than others. For example, some sociopaths are scary smart, scary effective, and also just plain scary.
SIGNY: then you're opening yourself up to the argument that "men" are also SMARTER than women because of their sex.
KRAPO: More 'violent' and more 'intelligent' - to me that sounds contradictory.
Quote:True. But however measured, male IQ definitely has a different distribution than female: higher standard deviation, and skewed somewhat more towards visualization.
SIGNY: Yes, men on the average have a slightly higher IQ than women
KRAPO: There are many different types of intelligence, IQ is the male scientists' who invented it idea of intelligence. Naturally it skews towards male brains, one could argue.
Quote:Isn't that what I said? "Statistics do indeed tell us something about the associations of one thing to another" There are two problems with the way people use statistics, though, which I'm sure you're aware of: (1) Statistics don't tell us about causality. For example, stats tell us that blacks are more interpersonally violent than whites. However, unless you've also gathered data on education, unemployment, exposure to lead, family structure etc. you might be tempted to follow the stats to say that being black is the CAUSE of interpersonal violence. When two things are correlated, it could be that A causes B, B causes A, A and B are caused by C, or coincidence. (2) People don't understand that populations have a distribution. They assume that all members of a population are like the average.
SIGNY: Instead of dealing with people categorically, maybe we should assess them individually?
KRAPO: I think we can all agree that it's bad to stereotype. Can we not also agree that statistics can teach us profound things about ourselves and our societies - things that, maybe, we ought to confront? Being able to mentally hold both of these truths at once is the key to grown up debate.
I hope that puts your misunderstandings, and your trolling, to rest.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Mass Killings: An Evolutionary Perspective
Some aspects of mass killings are clearer—especially those by older men.
Posted Oct 04, 2017
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hive-mind/201710/mass-killings-evolutiona
ry-perspective
Male humans swim in worlds of status like trout swim in complex currents of water. Anyone who is not aware of this (or in denial about it) finds things like the high rates of male suicide or the fact that males are massively over-represented in apparently senseless crimes, utterly baffling. (2) Glib talk of “toxic masculinity” barely scratches the surface of what is going on. (3) “Toxic” does not explain the half of it, and it is worth noting that even the most toxic of masculinity does not put off all possible sexual partners. As Ogas and Gaddam (2012) note “It turns out that killing people is an effective way to elicit the attention of many women: virtually every serial killer, including Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, and David Berkowitz, has received love letters from large numbers of female fans” (p. 98). (4)
Remember — we have done the genetic analysis and most males (60 percent) do not reproduce. Status is exquisitely linked to male reproductive success, and males who were blind to its ups and downs have simply not had descendants. Call it “face”; call it “honor”; call it “status” or call it “prestige”. We are all descended from men who cared about it. (5)
We might have tamed it somewhat in modern society. We give it useful outlets. Sport. Awards at work. Elaborate rituals where we show that a person has so much status to spare, that they can even survive being roasted by professional comedians. Sometimes, in some individuals, and for reasons that we still do not understand, this pressure to value status can go very badly awry.
This has happened across time and space. There is even a Malay word, “Amok” which has passed into the language as “running amok”. Young (usually) Malay men would, for reasons unknown, attack innocent bystanders, usually with knives, sometimes with grenades. We used to think that this was what was called a “culture bound syndrome”, but we know better now. Indeed, “amok” has been dropped from the current DSM-5. Instead, we have “rampage” or “spree” killers. For simplicity sake I shall group all these together as “mass” killings — where five or more people, often unknown to the perpetrator, are killed — sometimes in multiple locations. (6)
Data Gathering
We carried out an archival study of seventy mass killers going back nearly a hundred years. Our methodology was highly conservative. We relied on only using archival accounts where we could double (or triple) up on the independent corroboration of details. Media tends to get highly speculative (and often political) about these events, and we did not want to get taken down any garden paths. In addition, we restricted the search to North America—for a couple of interesting reasons.
More at www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hive-mind/201710/mass-killings-evolutiona
ry-perspective
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
It may not bug you as much, because you may not have not been affected by it as much?- WISHY
Follows is a list of discriminatory incidents from the family, school, and on the job...
WISHY, I think you ought to move to another state. With broader experience, you might look back and realize that "the problem" is that your home town has a higher-than-average percentage of troglodytes.
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Ok, here's the problem as I see it:
There really is interpersonal prejudice. Prejudice against women, against people of color, against short men with glasses. Against the disabled, against old people, against people with mental disabilities. SOME white males are willing and able to enforce this prejudice through violence and keep the system going. And because you feel it in your day-to-day, it's what you focus on. It's not right and it's not fair; and it causes our economy to run poorly when people can't express their best talents but get forced into roles they perhaps do less well. Because if you would not have been hindered from developing your talents, who knows what you might have achieved? Heck, you might have become an out-of-work CNC operator! Or a woodworker making custom furniture for a nonexistent customer base! Or - much less probably- perhaps even a successful architect.
But who said this was a meritocracy anyway?
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ONE OF THE THINGS I FIND DISGUSTING ABOUT YOU, WISHY, IS THAT ALL YOU DO IS WHINE ABOUT YOUR LOT IN LIFE. You have ZERO empathy for other people, for the sacrifices they may have had to make to achieve their success, NO appreciation of the role of luck in success, and NO insight at all into what it takes to be a success. Is is possible that what's holding YOU back is a medical condition? One which prevents you from committing the time and energy it takes to be a star in your career path?
YOU REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO ACHIEVE WHATEVER SUCCESS THEY WERE ALLOWED BY TPTB, AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF WHETHER YOU WERE WILLING OR ABLE TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF SACRIFICES.
Me? NOT SO MUCH. I COULD have gone to medical school, but I just couldn't stomach the thought of eight more years of training! I COULD have advanced into upper management, but I just couldn't put in 60-hour weeks. I COULD have become a computer phenom like hubby, but I just wasn't ready to study ten hours a day. I candidly allow that I could have done more and been more, if I had made different choices.
I also freely allow that there are people with better mental and physical capabilities than me. I'm not as quick, or as strong, or as tall, or as smart, as some. There's nothing I can do about that. But I'm old enough and hopefully wise enough not to spend the rest of my life bitching about what I was born with. There are people much worse off .... our daughter, for instance.
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There is a greater prejudice at work, the one which allows some people to garner huge rewards for (in essence) parasitism and theft. It's the one that consigns 99.9% of the people to making shit wages, and 99.9999% to powerlessness, and cause the VAST MAJORITY OF INEQUALITY IN THE USA. But because the wealthy are pretty good at hiding out from the rest of us, minimizing their wealth and power from public perception, it doesn't get shoved in our faces every day, and consequently we lose focus in the GREATEST source of inequity in our lives. OR we somehow feel that they have "earned" their status, and they we could, too, if only we applied ourselves like the 0.0001%.
So, with the agreement that prejudice should be eliminated whenever possible .... and I would start out with "blinded" applications for everything under the sun ... can we make that NOT our burning issue, but focus instead on the numerically more important inequities in our society? Specifically, the one that rewards thievery and punishes working for a living?
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Pity would be no more,
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SECOND- I think that while living in the same physical environment, women and men live in different worlds. Most women don't automatically scan a room of people when they first enter to estimate who can "take on" whom and win. This is a mostly male perspective. I don't know how common it is among men, but it's only been expressed to me by men.
I honestly think that mass killings are almost alway triggered by a failed development of some other part of the brain. Maybe the killers are sociopaths, or maybe the killer is schizophrenic, and the "limiter" on behavior simply never developed. So rather than a particular behavior being over-expressed, perhaps the problem is in some OTHER area of the brain. The brain IMHO is a complex ecology of parts, and it's probably a failure elsewhere that causes this behavior to be over-expressed.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
You've got two jobs Wishy. Whatever your day job is and professional victim.
SAYS THE GUY WHO IS LITERALLY A PROFESSIONAL VICTIM.
Agoraphobic?? Nope. Just a lazy pussy. Been lazy and useless so long you don't know how to do anything else.
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
6 has a point.
What I mainly work on now is a bit of mental control: meditation for peace.
The Men? Some/Lots of them really are gentle, caring Princes.
But the Nasties kick up a storm, threaten & draw more attention to themselves.
Now I can choose which ones will have my attention.
HE REALLY DOESN'T.
I'm sorry your mom was a witch, but it really is NOTHING compared to the scale of damage that men do every day. Your generation tends to idolize men and not see their faults, because my grandma is just like that.
I've LITERALLY never met a "prince" as you call them. Meditation does NOTHING to acknowledge or stop the problem that is the reason of this thread. You've stopped caring, but I got a daughter I don't want victimized by obliviousness. She knows never to trust a man, she will be much better off.
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Originally posted by second:
Male humans swim in worlds of status like trout swim in complex currents of water. Anyone who is not aware of this (or in denial about it) finds things like the high rates of male suicide or the fact that males are massively over-represented in apparently senseless crimes, utterly baffling. (2) Glib talk of “toxic masculinity” barely scratches the surface of what is going on. (3) “Toxic” does not explain the half of it, and it is worth noting that even the most toxic of masculinity does not put off all possible sexual partners. As Ogas and Gaddam (2012) note “It turns out that killing people is an effective way to elicit the attention of many women: virtually every serial killer, including Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, and David Berkowitz, has received love letters from large numbers of female fans” (p. 98). (4)
VERY GOOD POINT. I see toxic masculinity culture EVERY DAY here.
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