California lawmakers pass landmark 'sanctuary state' bill
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UPDATED: Sunday, June 22, 2025 07:47
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
That must be the most insipid idea I've heard in a very long time. Not sure if I've ever even heard it before, even from the most rabidly clueless Libtards.
I would support the opposite concept, beautifully outlined by Heinlein. No voting rights until you've served in the military. IIRC, no citizenship until earned by that service, either. So no holding Federal Public Office, either.
Yeah. I never heard it before. I just thought of it when I was replying to your post. I'd say maybe I shouldn't have said anything to put any ideas in anybodies heads, but I'm sure if I thought of it that somebody else has already thought of it too.
This is the left today. After thinking about it, doesn't it seem exactly like something they would eventually try to push through? I can't tell you how many times I hear that I shouldn't have any opinions since I didn't go to college by lefties who can't get a real job with that liberal arts degree, can't budget and are in debt up to their eyeballs.
I was actually thinking about Starship Troopers when I thought of this idea. In that movie you had basic rights and protections in whatever their government was, but you weren't actually a Citizen with full rights unless you served in the military.
I don't know if I like that idea any better.
I do think that a lot of people are unqualified to vote for a variety of reasons, but who am I to make that distinction? Would I trust anybody else with that job?
I don't agree with any of the wars we've been in during my lifetime, and nobody here would call me anything close to a Liberal. Forcing me to join the military to be able to vote would mean throwing away my own principals to participate in something that is largely a waste of time anyhow.
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Voting, we might even say, is the next to last refuge of the politically impotent. ~Neil Postman, "Amusing Ourselves To Death"
In that instance, I would just forfeit my right to vote rather than serve in the military. The problem is that it wouldn't just end with voting. I'm sure if that were pushed through it wouldn't be long before other rights lost when you're a felon were stripped from people who didn't serve such as the right to bear arms.
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I agree, SIX. If a nation depends on its military ... so much that it forfeits rewarding ANY OTHER contribution to society ... well, that society is doomed.
Large militaries are a feature of empires, not healthy thriving economies. In the end, they often suck the national economy dry, such as is happening today to the USA. It's not a sector of society that I'd encourage by over-reward. Heinlein was mistaken.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Yup. I remember hearing a lot how great war is for our economy.
We're slowly making our way to me living in a country that has been at war for 2/3rds of my life and I don't see any evidence that this is a true statement.
Do you have any suggestions for "qualifications" for voting Sigs?
I think we can agree that military service on one hand and college education on the other hand as prerequisites are two very terrible ideas.
The thing is that I just can't thing of a single one that would be useful AND fair.
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Do you have any suggestions for "qualifications" for voting ?
Full vote - Property owners
3/4 vote - Renters
1/2 vote - College dorm residents
1/4 vote - Live with parents
No vote - Receive Govt. assistance
* penalty for lying on registration form is public impalement.
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Voting requirements:
1) Be a citizen
2) Have reached the "age of majority" as defined by the state of residence
3) Speak and read English. BTW, in theory, since learning English is a requirement for becoming a citizen, why does CA provide VOTING MATERIALS in 17 different languages?
4) Not be under conservatorship.
5) Register to vote
6) Be properly and positively identified before voting
Yes, it means that all kinds of stupid, improvident people get to vote, but since we would all be affected by the results (assuming that we didn't actually live in an oligarchy already) we should all have a say.
Personally, I'm more concerned about vote counting, the manipulation of the voter rolls by whichever party is in power, gerrymandering, voter ID, and money in politics than about the voter requirements.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Do you have any suggestions for "qualifications" for voting ?
Full vote - Property owners
3/4 vote - Renters
1/2 vote - College dorm residents
1/4 vote - Live with parents
No vote - Receive Govt. assistance
* penalty for lying on registration form is public impalement.
I'm for it, but only if those who own their homes free and clear get two votes.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Voting requirements:
1) Be a citizen
2) Have reached the "age of majority" as defined by the state of residence
3) Speak and read English. BTW, in theory, since learning English is a requirement for becoming a citizen, why does CA provide VOTING MATERIALS in 17 different languages?
4) Not be under conservatorship.
5) Register to vote
6) Be properly and positively identified before voting
Yes, it means that all kinds of stupid, improvident people get to vote, but since we would all be affected by the results (assuming that we didn't actually live in an oligarchy already) we should all have a say.
Personally, I'm more concerned about vote counting, the manipulation of the voter rolls by whichever party is in power, gerrymandering, voter ID, and money in politics than about the voter requirements.
I could agree with all of that. It would be nice to actually believe that the votes weren't just predetermined numbers and your vote actually matters. I give that about 50/50, like everything else.
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Orange County still has some sense, will fight California State on Sanctuary Status.
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/california/OC-Board-to-Join-Federal-S
uit-Challenging-Sanctuary-State-Law-478100623.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/27/orange-county-votes-to-figh
t-californias-sanctuary-city-laws-joining-sheriffs-pushback.html
http://www.kabc.com/2018/03/22/orange-county-may-opt-out-of-state-sanc
tuary-laws/
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Carlsbad, CA joins the list of cities supporting the Federal Lawsuit against CA Sanctuary Cities.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/sd-no-san
ctuary-options-20180521-story.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/22/another-california-city-reb
els-against-states-pro-illegal-immigration-sanctuary-city-policies.html
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/05/22/carlsbad-joins-revolt-a
gainst-californias-sanctuary-state-laws/
Including:
Los Alamitos
San Diego County
Orange County
Tuolumne County
Escondito
Huntington Beach
Hesperia
Mission Viejo
Fountain Valley
Orange
Newport Beach
Westminster
Santa Clarita
San Juan Capistrano
Aliso Viejo
Of course, Aliso Viejo is the City that banned Dihydrogen Monoxide. Looks like those idiots have been replaced by people with sense.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/22/trump-administrations-lawsu
it-against-california-sanctuary-laws-backed-by-these-cities-counties.html
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In the recent few days, ICE has apprehended almost 100 Illegal Aliens in WI, mostly from Sanctuary Cities.
Lawless Unenforcement's Police Chiefs are on TV whining that ICE did not leak to them like usual, so they were unable to shelter the Illegal Aliens from the Feds. And now the Sanctuary cops are fearful the the Illegal Aliens community has hurt feelings and won't buy the cops donuts anymore.
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