California lawmakers pass landmark 'sanctuary state' bill
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You ain't philosopher Henry David Thoreau living in a self-built cabin on your own personal Walden Pond when you isolate yourself in your fully-paid-for house. There is an opinion piece worth a two minute reading: "In a society too short of common goals, identity politics are an imperfect answer"
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Take a hike, trust fund baby.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/16/no-common-goals-fragment
ed-society-identity-politics
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I am whatever I want to be, and as long as I pay my taxes and keep up my property I'm more free to do what I want than almost anybody living in this country.
That being said, I was actually just reading it.
Good on Liberals for trying to sort that out. Identity Politics is poison.
Rather than playing the blame game about it, they should figure out how to un-indoctrinate all of the kids who had it ingrained in their brain at Liberal colleges for the last 20 years. That's a huge job that I don't have a solution for. I didn't have anything to do with it though, so you people can figure it out.
You broke it, you bought it.
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Rather than playing the blame game about it, they should figure out how to un-indoctrinate all of the kids who had it ingrained in their brain at Liberal colleges for the last 20 years. That's a huge job that I don't have a solution for. I didn't have anything to do with it though, so you people can figure it out.
You broke it, you bought it.
You really can't blame colleges for libtard indoctrination. Long before heading off to college these kids get a steady barrage of it all their lives. It's way too late to do anything about it now. The Culture War is long over.
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Quote:Well, I'm not a republican.
What happened to you, 1kiki? Last year you were a Bernie supporter. This year you are a Republican.
But why do you say that? Is it because I think identity politics is a means of dividing people instead of bringing them together? Because I think we have a more common identity based on class rather than sliced and diced multiple identities based on pick a selection in any of the categories race, creed, sex, sexual identity, tribe, age, culture ... ? Because I think BOTH democrats AND republicans are playing different versions of divide-and-conquer?
Is that why?
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Gotta love the term "Dreamers". "Hope & Change", anybody?
Democrats are so much better at the divide and conquer game than the Republicans are.
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Perhaps you don't remember, SECOND, but I had a prescription for democratic identity politics - the FAIR DEAL. Everyone gets a fair deal. It doesn't matter what your pick-a-part identity is. You get the same opportunities as everyone else.
And that also includes reshaping our policies and our economy so that jobs aren't off-shored and manufacturing isn't hollowed out. Because our current economy isn't fair to Americans. To be a FAIR DEAL, it has to be applied equally, and also - FAIR. And what is fair? That people who work have a living wage so that they can reliably afford housing, food, transportation, education, and medical care.
As for 'immigration laws' - EVERY COUNTRY HAS THEM, SECOND. We are NOT citizens of the world, free too alight wherever the breeze takes us. If you don't believe that, try going to live in Canada, or New Zealand. You'll find their laws and enforcement are far tougher than ours.
Our problem, as I posted earlier, is that we didn't enforce ours for decades, out of abundant concern for profit margins. It had nothing to do with their rights to be here illegally, because those rights don't exist.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:What happened to you, SECOND? Last year you were an idiot. This year you're a ... oh, nevermind.
Originally posted by second:
What happened to you, 1kiki? Last year you were a Bernie supporter. This year you are a Republican.- SECOND
Quote:KIKI is telling a story; the problem is, you're not listening to it. If you were, you wouldn't be asking these questions and insinuating secret motives.
What caused you to flip on fireflyfans.net? There is a story there you are not telling. I'd expect it from 6string because he is made of prototypical Republican stuff (angry about foreigners, angry at bosses, angry that libtards don't respect his whiteness) but what is your socioeconomic motivation? And don't give me this crap about "legal" because immigration laws are made to satisfy some primitive nativism yearnings, not technical reasons.
Quote:True.
Righto. Laws change, hopefully they get better, wiser as our society matures. Mixed race and same sex marriages were against the law and now they are not. It always seemed stupid and backward to me that there ever were those laws.- G
Quote:You're conflating DACA with "any other immigrants". The reasons for DACA don't apply elsewhere.
Taking care of the DACA people or any immigrants that are here now
Quote:Bullshit. People are here because of poverty and violence in their own countries. The USA represents a relative haven of prosperity and stability. If we want to reduce immigration, we need to reduce the causes of poverty and instability elsewhere, by - among other things- not allowing transnational corporations to screw everyone to the wall via "free trade" agreements, and not interfering in other nations' internal governments on behalf of banks, transnationals, local elites/ military juntas.
regardless of color or country of origin, especially because they are here in large part due to our broken immigration laws and process
Quote:Fix the laws now. End birthright citizenship. Make English the official language. Withdraw from "free trade" agreements which impoverish ordinary people at both ends of the trade. Reduce the 120-some-odd visa categories to something like 10, and develop a system that will allow Immigration to track those who overstay their welcome. Pass a Joint Resolution swearing off constantly meddling in other nations' internal affairs.
Fix the laws going forward
Quote:I think we should continue to enforce immigration laws, focusing on deporting those who break our laws (aside from immigration laws) first.
and take care of these people now - let's be Big about it and not miserly like old man Trump/Potter. And if you DO want to be Trump/Potter, then think of all the tax revenue we get from them and the money we'd save!-
Once the other policy changes are in place, I'd give everyone who had lived here crime-free for more than 20 years an application for citizenship (but take our English-language requirement a lot more seriously than we seem to!). Everyone else gets a two-year visa to settle their affairs and transition back to their home country.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:So that's why laws have gotten so much worse. With society magnifying immaturity for most of the 90s and the past 8 years, we can only hope it can start maturing again - how tweeterhound Trump could do that is a mystery.
Originally posted by G:Quote:Righto. Laws change, hopefully they get better, wiser as our society matures.
Originally posted by second:
What happened to you, 1kiki? Last year you were a Bernie supporter. This year you are a Republican. What caused you to flip on fireflyfans.net? There is a story there you are not telling. And don't give me this crap about "legal" because immigration laws are made to satisfy some primitive nativism yearnings, not technical reasons.
Quote:$2 B in taxes from 800K is about $1,200 per YEAR per Dreamer. I used to get Tax REFUNDS more than that every year, as did many honest working legal American Citizens. ICE alone was over $6B five years ago. $2B doesn't even pay for the costs of incarceration for their crimes, let alone restitution or drain of the subsidies, welfare, medicare, other expenses.
Mixed race and same sex marriages were against the law and now they are not. It always seemed stupid and backward to me that there ever were those laws.
Taking care of the DACA people or any immigrants that are here now, regardless of color or country of origin, especially because they are here in large part due to our broken immigration laws and process, is the right thing to do. Fix the laws going forward and take care of these people now - let's be Big about it and not miserly like old man Trump/Potter. And if you DO want to be Trump/Potter, then think of all the tax revenue we get from them and the money we'd save! You could build a wall with it! < / snark >
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2017/09/07/the-mind-boggling-cos
t-of-daca-repeal/
"Deportation of Dreamers will mean reduced productivity and reduced tax revenue at the federal, state and local levels. According to a 2017 study from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, Dreamers pay as much as $2 billion annually in taxes."
"Finally, the administrative and functional costs of deporting Dreamers would be staggering. As we have written previously, the average cost to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) from arrest to removal of an undocumented individual is $12,500. Deporting the approximately 800,000 Dreamers would cost the government nearly $10 billion."
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Quote:Profit margins had no bearing on Tedward Kennedy's master plan to flood the borders with illegal future Democrap voters - it was only to subvert the Constitutional Electorate.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Perhaps you don't remember, SECOND, but I had a prescription for democratic identity politics - the FAIR DEAL. Everyone gets a fair deal. It doesn't matter what your pick-a-part identity is. You get the same opportunities as everyone else.
As for 'immigration laws' - EVERY COUNTRY HAS THEM, SECOND. We are NOT citizens of the world, free too alight wherever the breeze takes us. If you don't believe that, try going to live in Canada, or New Zealand. You'll find their laws and enforcement are far tougher than ours.
Our problem, as I posted earlier, is that we didn't enforce ours for decades, out of abundant concern for profit margins.
Quote:How did I manage to forget that children aged 18, 19, and 20 were not allowed to vote until 1971?
It had nothing to do with their rights to be here illegally, because those rights don't exist.
Republicans gave uneducated Blacks the Right to Vote.
Republicans gave women the Right to Vote.
So then Democraps had to rebalance the scale.
And then Motor Voter.
And then Illegal Alien Voting.
So why has there been no Amendment to allow any Public Schools Indoctrinated student the right to vote?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So why has there been no Amendment to allow any Public Schools Indoctrinated student the right to vote?
I was about to say "just you wait", but then I thought a little more about it and I don't think we'll ever see that.
The system wants to coddle children. To raise them in a bubble where they can put whatever ideas they desire in their heads while both of their parents are wage slaves all day long.
I know that I had absolutely no interest in politics when I was a kid, and even though I didn't go to college I didn't even really have any political opinions until I had been out on my own for a few years.
They've already passed laws that allow college bound children to be kept on their parents health insurance until they graduate years ago. There is all of this talk of "free" college all of the time. 4 more years of indoctrination which would only be intensified when the federal government is "paying" for it all.
I actually wonder if the voting age might increase to 22 or 23 one day, but also with the requirement that if you were born after a certain date that you can only vote if you graduated college.
Of course that would be considered racist still today, but in a US where every kid can go to college no matter what their scores were, without having to pay a dime for it... when nobody could rightfully claim that certain groups have a disadvantage anymore...?
I'm not saying that it will happen, so I don't want KPO to be putting this in the predictions thread. I'm just throwing out the idea. It would certainly be a means to homogenize the vote.
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Quote:That must be the most insipid idea I've heard in a very long time. Not sure if I've ever even heard it before, even from the most rabidly clueless Libtards.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:The system wants to coddle children. To raise them in a bubble where they can put whatever ideas they desire in their heads while both of their parents are wage slaves all day long.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So why has there been no Amendment to allow any Public Schools Indoctrinated student the right to vote?
There is all of this talk of "free" college all of the time. 4 more years of indoctrination which would only be intensified when the federal government is "paying" for it all.
I actually wonder if the voting age might increase to 22 or 23 one day, but also with the requirement that if you were born after a certain date that you can only vote if you graduated college.
Of course that would be considered racist still today, but in a US where every kid can go to college no matter what their scores were, without having to pay a dime for it... when nobody could rightfully claim that certain groups have a disadvantage anymore...?
I'm not saying that it will happen, so I don't want KPO to be putting this in the predictions thread. I'm just throwing out the idea. It would certainly be a means to homogenize the vote.
I would support the opposite concept, beautifully outlined by Heinlein. No voting rights until you've served in the military. IIRC, no citizenship until earned by that service, either. So no holding Federal Public Office, either.
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