The Role of Education

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1KIKI

Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:03 AM

I admit, I haven't thought about education all that much.

But my first thought is to look at it in terms of what we do.

We mandate that all the children are taken out of the home (except the very youngest) and collect them in large numbers for hours a day, days a week, months a year, for nearly 2 decades. We pay for the smallest number of caretakers we can get away with, and provide the most minimal of resources possible to get the job done. That job is 'education' which consists of teaching them a few useful skills - reading, writing, and arithmetic - and also the forced memorization and regurgitation of facts.
After that, we take the successes and move them into a higher level of a very similar process. And we take the successes of that process and make them do it to themselves.
We seem to have no interest in the failures.

I have been reading about new things people want to do to make learning 'better' - For example, using AI in grammar, middle and high schools to evaluate the students learning 'style', and to pitch just the right difficulty of lesson to keep the student engaged. Another is using magnetic fields to alter the brain's ability to process, connect, and remember information. And so on.

It strikes me that people look on learning as programming - they want better tools to program the brain. They seem to forget that the brain is inside a biological creature, formed by evolution to focus on biologically important goals.

While I haven't been thinking about education, I've been thinking about the attempt to assembly-line mass produce genius. It seems to forget that genius is genius because it breaks free from existing mental equations, not because it easily conforms to them.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:09 AM

I think it's funny that outside of some highly skilled professions, pretty much exclusively related to science and math, most people that make it all the way through college don't command much of a salary, or end up with anything that makes them even close to irreplaceable in any field. More people will end up paying off that college education 20 or 30 years after they got it than not.

Then on the flip side a lot of the people who head up large corporations in CEO type positions are college dropouts or just never went. Many successful people who started their own business also never went to college.

School for most kids is daycare and for most young adults is just killing time in a safe environment. I think it does more harm than good for a lot of people, but with no other real alternatives out there right now what are you going to do?

SIGNYM

Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:16 AM

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I've been thinking about the attempt to assembly-line mass produce genius. It seems to forget that genius is genius because it breaks free from existing mental equations, not because it easily conforms to them.- KIKI

Hmmm, KIKI, interesting thoughts.

This seems to cross over with AI ... the "mass production of genius". At the same time that TPTB are promoting artificial intelligence, they're attempting to stamp it out in people.

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SIGNYM

Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I think it's funny that outside of some highly skilled professions, pretty much exclusively related to science and math, most people that make it all the way through college don't command much of a salary, or end up with anything that makes them even close to irreplaceable in any field. More people will end up paying off that college education 20 or 30 years after they got it than not.

Then on the flip side a lot of the people who head up large corporations in CEO type positions are college dropouts or just never went. Many successful people who started their own business also never went to college.

School for most kids is daycare and for most young adults is just killing time in a safe environment. I think it does more harm than good for a lot of people, but with no other real alternatives out there right now what are you going to do?

I agree. JSF and I agree on "the role of education" but our emphasis is different. I see "the role of education" as primarily driven by the economic interests of the very wealthy, while JSF sees "the role of education" as being driven by politics/ ideology. In the end, I don't think you can separate politics and economics.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, August 21, 2017 5:16 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I think it's funny that outside of some highly skilled professions, pretty much exclusively related to science and math, most people that make it all the way through college don't command much of a salary, or end up with anything that makes them even close to irreplaceable in any field. More people will end up paying off that college education 20 or 30 years after they got it than not.

Then on the flip side a lot of the people who head up large corporations in CEO type positions are college dropouts or just never went. Many successful people who started their own business also never went to college.

School for most kids is daycare and for most young adults is just killing time in a safe environment. I think it does more harm than good for a lot of people, but with no other real alternatives out there right now what are you going to do?
I agree. JSF and I agree on "the role of education" but our emphasis is different. I see "the role of education" as primarily driven by the economic interests of the very wealthy, while JSF sees "the role of education" as being driven by politics/ ideology. In the end, I don't think you can separate politics and economics.

we also forget that in some places schools are merely juvenile detention, where thugs and bullies prevent "success". For these, the Betsy DeVos factor could be a Godsent, allowing freedom of school choice to multiply or accelerate the successes.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 25, 2017 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Yoda would listen to NPR. I've heard some of the best stories ever from them.

yep. NPR puts out wonderful fiction, usually during their news or discussion periods.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, August 27, 2017 1:38 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JSF- you forgot to add:

1) To babysit junior and juniorette because mom, or mom and dad, have to work.

3) To keep "excess" workers out of the workforce

Reviewing this, these 2 are actually contradictory. Or from contradicting forces.

#1 is the doubling of the workforce for the same pay. Prior to the 50s, one breadwinner per family was normally adequate. But after Rosie the Riveter enjoyed being in the workforce so much, economics revealed that having 2 workers per family meant that the pay (at societal or community level) only needed to be distributed so that each got half of what was needed to support a family - therefore everybody effectively got half pay, and the workforce obtained twice the number of workhours (less overall overtime).

#3 is opposite that.

SIGNYM

Sunday, August 27, 2017 4:20 AM

True. But there are SO MANY unemployed that if they couldn't keep them occupied with meaningless college courses ... or sedated with video games and social media ... there would be a revolution.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, August 27, 2017 9:07 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
True. But there are SO MANY unemployed that if they couldn't keep them occupied with meaningless college courses ... or sedated with video games and social media ... there would be a revolution.

or we opened up the jobs absorbed by 11 million illegal aliens, they might have something to do as well.

But keeping them occupied is certainly more important than providing education or vocational training.

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, November 19, 2025 3:34 PM

Calls for accountability after mom, children were attacked by students near South Deering School
https://www.yahoo.com/news/videos/calls-accountability-mom-children-we
re-234028495.html

Woman, child beaten, seriously hurt near South Side CPS school
https://www.yahoo.com/news/videos/woman-child-beaten-seriously-hurt-17
3917617.html

its a jungle out there!

Pregnant Mother and Young Kids Brutally Attacked by Mob of Students Outside Chicago School
Yesterday, a pregnant mother, having just picked up her young children from a school, was followed by a mob of students.
https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1990846876459921906/
As she desperately tried to protect her kids, they were dragged to the ground, beaten, kicked, and stomped on in a terrifying assault.
The situation is unfolding as members of the community gather today in front of the school, demanding that the violent students be held accountable for their actions.

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