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Saturday, July 15, 2017 8:18 AM
Quote:Basically, you have a false behavioral model of me in your mind. I refuse to turn my life upside down to become a better Democrat. I live in Texas, cash natural gas royalty checks, kill animals with guns, and I am the 1%. The GOP should be my party by my nature, but it is not since I deviate by voting only for Democrats. You, on the other hand, are living the life, approximately, of an environmentally concerned Democrat. Maybe you should become an actual Democrat and I should vote for Trump the Incompetent Loudmouth Liar in 2020? Then the life we live would be more consistent with our votes.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, basically ...
1) "I'd cut off my nose to spite my face.", and ...
2) "I'm as Republican as the next guy because I let them determine my behavior".
SECOND, your GOP neighbor cannot "undue" what you do. If you sequester five tons of carbon dioxide per year, that's five tons of carbon dioxide per year, irrespective of what your neighbor does or doesn't do. In addition, you can gain MONETARY benefits because your ranches can become more productive; perhaps you can even make then available for private-party hunting (fees) or tourism, for example. You really should look into it; there may be more in it for you than you imagine.
I agree that individual action is not a substitute for collective action; "Hitler would not have been stopped by dumpster-diving". OTOH, if you can set a good example, particularly if it makes money for you, you might be able to motivate others to do similarly.
I personally carry on my passion for the environment personally (individual action like recycling); professionally (thru my choice of employment); collectively through interest groups; and politically through advocacy, voting, and direct support of specific politicians. The actions aren't mutually exclusive, you know.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Saturday, July 15, 2017 5:26 PM
Quote:Basically, you're a Republican.
Basically, you have a false behavioral model of me in your mind. I refuse to turn my life upside down to become a better Democrat. I live in Texas, cash natural gas royalty checks, kill animals with guns, and I am the 1%. The GOP should be my party by my nature, but it is not since I deviate by voting only for Democrats.
If you truly thought that all of the things that you gripe about endlessly were REAL problems, you've be interested in doing something about them. But since that might conflict with your lifestyle, you've made carping endlessly about all things GOP your life's (pointless) mission instead.
Now, I don't know WHY you have such an emotional grotch against the GOP - clearly, you're not trying to solve real-world problems (Maybe they're white and you're Hispanic? Maybe you're feeling guilty about unearned privilege? Maybe you're rebelling against family tradition?) but you're substituting useless action instead of engaging in anything meaningful which might cramp your lifestyle.
Quote:And clearly, you don't pay the least bit of attention to anyone but yourself. As I've said .... oh, probably an dozen times by now ... I actually AM a registered Democrat, and voted Democrat nearly all of the time, except when I voted Green, or for Trump.
You, on the other hand, are living the life, approximately, of an environmentally concerned Democrat. Maybe you should become an actual Democrat and I should vote for Trump the Incompetent Loudmouth Liar in 2020? Then the life we live would be more consistent with our votes.- SECOND
And I DO think that we face real problems, which I'm actually doing something about.
Now, the liberals here might wonder why I, a committed environmentalist, would vote for Trump, and the reason is that the Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles about 30 years ago, and they deserve to fail.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Saturday, July 15, 2017 6:20 PM
Quote:Hey, Signym, I call bullshit on your explanation of your vote for Trump. You and 1kiki said that Hillary would cause WWIII with Russia. I think your prediction was silly, but at least it was a real explanation for you voting Trump 2016.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Now, I don't know WHY you have such an emotional grotch against the GOP - clearly, you're not trying to solve real-world problems (Maybe they're white and you're Hispanic? Maybe you're feeling guilty about unearned privilege? Maybe you're rebelling against family tradition?) but you're substituting useless action instead of engaging in anything meaningful which might cramp your lifestyle.
And clearly, you don't pay the least bit of attention to anyone but yourself. As I've said .... oh, probably an dozen times by now ... I actually AM a registered Democrat, and voted Democrat nearly all of the time, except when I voted Green, or for Trump.
And I DO think that we face real problems, which I'm actually doing something about.
Now, the liberals here might wonder why I, a committed environmentalist, would vote for Trump, and the reason is that the Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles about 30 years ago, and they deserve to fail.
But if you think that “Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles” you are fully nuts. You lost touch with the GOP reality, Signym:
Did Senator Ted Cruz (TX GOP) understand the problems with his amendment when he dreamed it up, but didn’t care? Or did he just not bother to check with anyone who understood health policy before he proposed it? It’s the eternal conundrum: Are Republicans Evil or Stupid?
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/07/health-insurers-have-finally-ha
d-enough/
Or this Republican opinion piece about killing Social Security. Is the Republican argument against Social Security simply evil or stupid?
www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/opinion-why-its-time-to-kill-social
-security/ar-BBEpoXW?ocid=spartanntp
Signym, when you voted for Trump in order to protect the world from Hillary, you also got every rotten GOP scoundrel's policy along with every bad action in Trump’s past. As a special bonus, you got Mike Pence and Trump’s inability to focus on any problem bigger or other than his family & business empire.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:26 PM
Quote:Hey SECOND, I know all about the GOP, and it's various conflicting wings ... the social conservatives/ religious right; the libertarian/ Tea Party faction; the big money/ globalist wing; the neocon/ Armageddonist group; and the white supremacist flavors.
Hey, Signym, I call bullshit on your explanation of your vote for Trump. You and 1kiki said that Hillary would cause WWIII with Russia. I think your prediction was silly, but at least it was a real explanation for you voting Trump 2016.
But if you think that “Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles” you are fully nuts. You lost touch with the GOP reality, Signym:
Trump isn't fully a Republican, because he was willing to speak against the powerful wing of the GOP, which is the neocon/ globalist faction.
But the DEMOCRATS have ALSO fallen in with the globalists/ interventionists/ neocons/ big money group ... show me how they haven't, I'll bet you can't ... and as such did not offer a real choice for the biggest problems that we face.
I could not have stood one more year of "more of the same or worse" under Hillary. She offered increasing wealth inequity, more "free trade" agreements, fewer jobs, stricter copyright/ patent enforcement, more GMOs, higher pharma prices, more illegal aliens, more war ... what was the upside there? Transgender bathrooms?
Yah, I know- doing something about the big problems might cramp your lifestyle.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Monday, July 17, 2017 12:25 PM
Imagine that! We are now getting unbiased "news items" from Sputnik and Info Wars.....Fucking Info Wars - the epitome of FAKE News. Just think folks, we can now expect little green men from Mars to land in the National Park in Washington.
By the way, I once thought that what you meant by Deep State, was the football team
playing in the Delaware Water Gap.
Rah, rah, rah! Sisk BOOM Bah! Deep State, Deep State, Woo!
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If the MSM had actually gotten to a pale representation of the facts through some internal process, you might have a point. But this "news item", like so many others in CNN, WaPo, and NYT, was an unverified leak from yet another anonymous source, which CNN happily published without (apparently) even the simplest of verifications.
A process, I might add, that you support through your uncritical swill-swallowing, echoing, and your constant attacks on alternate sources and alternate PsOV.
BTW- Sputnik News and InfoWars - both of which you have constantly impugned as "biased" - were the ones who brought this inaccuracy to light. So suck it, you stupid deep-state trolls. CNN just got its ass handed to it; this isn't a "victory" for the MSM no matter how you try to spin it.
As an aside: The "journalism" behind the original story was so gorram shoddy that it probably put CNN at risk of a major libel suit, or worse. This the only time I've even seen such a thorough climb-down by a major "news" organization. Usually, the journalist resigns but the editor just blithely sails on. The subject of the libelous reporting - Scaramucci- can afford to be forgiving; after all, just look at CNN whittling all over itself trying to get out of trouble.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Monday, July 17, 2017 5:38 PM
Quote:Signym, once again I realize you are impractical (I was going to write "insane" but that is inflammatory rhetoric). You actually believed Trump wasn't as Republican as any of the other candidates! There was plenty of proven incidences to demonstrate he is a world-class conman. I think if you objectively look at his first 6 months governing, he disproved your belief in him as different from other Republicans. Or simply look at Trump as cheerleader for the Senate's version of Trumpcare.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Hey SECOND, I know all about the GOP, and it's various conflicting wings ... the social conservatives/ religious right; the libertarian/ Tea Party faction; the big money/ globalist wing; the neocon/ Armageddonist group; and the white supremacist flavors.
Hey, Signym, I call bullshit on your explanation of your vote for Trump. You and 1kiki said that Hillary would cause WWIII with Russia. I think your prediction was silly, but at least it was a real explanation for you voting Trump 2016.
But if you think that “Democratic leadership fully abandoned its principles” you are fully nuts. You lost touch with the GOP reality, Signym:
Trump isn't fully a Republican, because he was willing to speak against the powerful wing of the GOP, which is the neocon/ globalist faction.
But the DEMOCRATS have ALSO fallen in with the globalists/ interventionists/ neocons/ big money group ... show me how they haven't, I'll bet you can't ... and as such did not offer a real choice for the biggest problems that we face.
I could not have stood one more year of "more of the same or worse" under Hillary. She offered increasing wealth inequity, more "free trade" agreements, fewer jobs, stricter copyright/ patent enforcement, more GMOs, higher pharma prices, more illegal aliens, more war ... what was the upside there? Transgender bathrooms?
Yah, I know- doing something about the big problems might cramp your lifestyle.
The Democratic party is NOT as bad as the GOP. The different parts of the Democratic party range from good to bad. Republicans range from bad to evil in my opinion.
Since the Constitution unintentionally makes impossible a three or four party system sharing control of the Federal government, your only real choice is D or R when you vote for Congress or President. You can't get to President Jill Stein of the Green Party. The Constitution makes that outlandish. Don't tell that to Ralph Nader or Noam Chomsky because they still hope for an alternative and they will talk your ears off explaining that it is possible if only the "people" realize they have the power to change the world. The "people" didn't write the first Constitution that got us into this mess and they won't be writing the next constitution fixing the disastrous flaws, either.
And your predictions (not made today, but made several times in the past) that Hillary would start WWIII are unbelievable.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Monday, July 17, 2017 10:42 PM
Quote:You didn't say anything about my comment: "The people didn't write the first Constitution that got us into this mess and they won't be writing the next constitution fixing the disastrous flaws, either." When the Constitution was written, nobody had ever before gotten only a 48% minority of the vote in a state, yet received 100% of the electoral college votes from the state. There was talk about fixing that flaw in the Constitution, but it never got beyond talk in 200 years.
Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The Democratic party is NOT as bad as the GOP. The different parts of the Democratic party range from good to bad. Republicans range from bad to evil in my opinion.
Since the Constitution unintentionally makes impossible a three or four party system sharing control of the Federal government, your only real choice is D or R when you vote for Congress or President. You can't get to President Jill Stein of the Green Party. The Constitution makes that outlandish. Don't tell that to Ralph Nader or Noam Chomsky because they still hope for an alternative and they will talk your ears off explaining that it is possible if only the "people" realize they have the power to change the world. The "people" didn't write the first Constitution that got us into this mess and they won't be writing the next constitution fixing the disastrous flaws, either.
And your predictions (not made today, but made several times in the past) that Hillary would start WWIII are unbelievable.
Yes, yes, and very yes.
"The people" will not do anything of much substance - most of them couldn't even be bothered to vote in one of the most important, radical elections of their time. Can't count on the people.
Siggy and Kiggy don't really believe Hillary was going to start WWIII. That's a convenient lie. There might be a slim chance that they believed had she won, Putin would have started WWIII. Otherwise, it's just another weak bogey man to cover their support for Trump.
Siggy believes Trump was the worst choice for the US and the best choice for Russia. That he will do serious damage to the US - payback or something.
Hey! Croiky! That means she got one right!
When the Constitution was written, no political party had ever before gerrymandered the Congressional districts in a way that receiving only 55% of the total vote gave the gerrymandering party 100% of the representatives to Congress. That's another tiny flaw in the Constitution that is very fixable.
The Fourteenth Amendment gave citizenship to slaves, but it was written so stupidly that it did many other things badly. It has never been fixed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_State
s_Constitution
The USA is in trouble now because of flaws in the Constitution that never get fixed, maybe because most people, including Congress, don't understand it and can't imagine what to do about it.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Monday, July 31, 2017 2:27 PM
Quote:The article goes on to "connect the dots" between Fusion and Democrats for the "dossier" creation. MORE AT http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-30/wsj-asks-who-paid-trump-dossi
WSJ Asks "Who Paid For The 'Trump Dossier'?"
It has been 10 days since Democrats received the glorious news that Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley would require Donald Trump Jr. and Paul Manafort to explain their meeting with Russian operators at Trump Tower last year. The left was salivating at the prospect of watching two Trump insiders being grilled about Russian “collusion” under the klieg lights.
Yet Democrats now have meekly and noiselessly retreated, agreeing to let both men speak to the committee in private. Why would they so suddenly be willing to let go of this moment of political opportunity?
Fusion GPS.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Monday, July 31, 2017 2:37 PM
FROM THE WASHINGTON POST
Quote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/07/27/the-q
The quest to prove collusion is crumbling
While everyone is fixated on President Trump’s unbecoming and inexplicable assault on Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the media has been trying to sneak away from the “Russian collusion” story. That’s right. For all the breathless hype, the on-air furrowed brows and the not-so-veiled hopes that this could be Watergate, Jared Kushner’s statement and testimony before Congress have made Democrats and many in the media come to the realization that the collusion they were counting on just isn’t there.
As the date of the Kushner testimony approached, the media thought it was going to advance and refresh the story. But Kushner’s clear, precise and convincing account of what really occurred during the campaign and after the election has left many of President Trump’s loudest enemies trying to quietly back out of the room unnoticed.
Cable news airtime and in-print word count dedicated to the nonexistent collusion story appear to be dwindling. ... it hasn’t taken long for news producers and editors to realize that the story is fading.
At last, the story that never was is not happening.
... Democrats and their allies in the media have exhausted themselves building a scandalous narrative surrounding the Russian lawyer meeting, but according to Kushner, the meeting was so useless that he “actually emailed an assistant from the meeting after [he] had been there for ten or so minutes and wrote ‘Can u pls call me on my cell? Need excuse to get out of meeting.”’ Maybe the collusion didn’t take very long, or maybe he realized what the lawyer had to say was a useless farce and he wanted to get on with his day.
Much to the dismay of Trump’s haters, Kushner’s account of events even further proves just how far the media has stretched the collusion story. When the campaign received an official note of congratulations from Russian President Vladimir Putin the day after the election, Kushner had to send Dimitri Simes of the Center for the National Interest an email asking for the name of the Russian ambassador so that he could reach out and confirm the message’s authenticity.
... Sure, there are others still in the crosshairs of the collusion-hunters, but Kushner has been the biggest target if for no other reason than he is the only one serving in the White House. Paul Manafort is a private citizen, and he departed the campaign before the general election campaign really started. Donald Trump Jr. is implicated only in the one ill-advised and now-shown-to-be-pointless encounter with a few gadflies. The media can knock itself out trying to find some left-behind paperwork or some other scrap to hang onto, but the dead end is in sight.
The quest for collusion is crumbling.
With the Democrats and their allies in the media beginning to walk away from the collusion story, the single biggest thing keeping this story alive is the president’s obsession with it. No doubt the issue will continue to be irresistible to some of Trump’s haters. Some will never believe the truth, no matter what else is revealed. But if Democrats and the president’s worst enemies can begin to silently acknowledge the obvious and move on, perhaps Trump can, too. Maybe now he will see the futility of continuing to whine, tweet, moan and seethe about the whole non-affair. Maybe the president will now see that he should leave Sessions alone so that he can get on with his work. Maybe he will let special counsel Robert S. Mueller III quietly do his job and the whole “Russian collusion” affair won’t even be a footnote in the retelling of the story of the Trump campaign.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get
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Monday, July 31, 2017 8:32 PM
I think a few things are happening:
"Mooch the Terrible" has stemmed the flow of leaks/ lies. He fired somebody and put his head on a pike at the city gates as a warning to others. In addition, Priebus resigned under pressure - that may as well be another head on a pike at the city gates. Once the constant media-directed staffer speculation died, there were no more rumors to fill the media with breathless hyperventilation about "Russia!". And once the media hyperventilation quieted a little, the warmongering progressives lost focus on what they were supposed to be afraid of.
In addition, no further political movement was being gained by flogging this story. Congressional GOP was not about to impeach Trump - they have their own failure to account for with the healthcare bill. And the "Russia!" story WAS getting a little old.
And finally, I think that there might be some "opposition research" in the background ... such as about the Awan brothers .... which has made certain butts pucker.
Hillary, Debbie, and the DNC have a lot to answer for. A REAL investigation into what Hillary was doing with the Foundation and with her private server, and what Debbie was doing with the DNC, would probably uncover some serious criminal activity. You all really should look into the Awan story; the way Debbie was protecting this guy was ... unusual, to say the least. And the Awan brothers had so much criminal activity in their background, there's no way they should EVER have had access to the Foreign Affairs Committee members' data. This is way more than just "bank fraud".
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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