Fake news: CNN; NYT; VICE; WaPo; WSJ. ... now ABC .... It's like a trainwreck, but I can't stop watching
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Quote:What is in our interest? The USA is very close to having all the technologies to eliminate 90 percent of its fossil fuel use: cheap solar, cheap wind power, and cheap battery storage. That kind of infrastructure buildout would be a huge economic stimulus for the USA and create jobs. And it would squeeze the treasuries of the oil-exporting economies Russia and Saudi Arabia.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey, I "get" that we (still) depend on foreign oil and so certain shipping lanes and canals must not be interdicted to our oil supplies, and that we (still) need our Gulf sheiks to keep supplying oil. And I "get" that we need to destroy every oil-producing state that threatens the petrodollar, because the thing holding up our currency is our military, not our economy. But in the long run, these are dependencies that we need to eliminate, not encourage. So, in the end, what are our interests and who is threatening them?
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/07/our-approach-to-climate-change-
isnt-working-lets-try-something-else/
But Trump does not believe it should be done and his Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, looks after Exxon-Mobil’s best interests, not ours. And the 184,500 coal mining employees would whine and complain. Therefore what is in our best interest will not be happening so long as Trump is President or the GOP has at least 40 Senators scheming to kill these projects however they can.
www.bls.gov/iag/tgs/iag212.htm
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Quote:Uh huh. Maybe it was, yanno, a trick? To reveal your prejudices to others?
You clearly meant suggesting I was gay as an insult - so, another lie.
Quote:I assumed SECOND was a "she" because of the avatar, because SECOND did not reveal anything about his sex, and because I called SECOND "she" and "her" several times in the past and I was never corrected. I recall being called "he" and never correcting the poster. It's not a big deal.
Like when you called second "she." You're like a 10 year old - you just can't help yourself.
I can't help it if you insist in thinking the worst of me, but honestly, you're really far off the mark.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Quote:SECOND, we aren't THAT close to eliminating our dependence on oil. The sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow, and large-scale batteries are still a ways off ... just look at the difficulty that Tesla is having producing enough batteries for its cars. We're putting solar panels on our roof (panels having just broken the energy barrier about five years ago, where they produce over their lifetime more energy than it took to make them) but have declined the off-grid "wall battery" which isn't anywhere near good enough to power a whole house for any length of time.
Hey, I "get" that we (still) depend on foreign oil and so certain shipping lanes and canals must not be interdicted to our oil supplies, and that we (still) need our Gulf sheiks to keep supplying oil. And I "get" that we need to destroy every oil-producing state that threatens the petrodollar, because the thing holding up our currency is our military, not our economy. But in the long run, these are dependencies that we need to eliminate, not encourage. So, in the end, what are our interests and who is threatening them?- SECOND
What is in our interest? The USA is very close to having all the technologies to eliminate 90 percent of its fossil fuel use: cheap solar, cheap wind power, and cheap battery storage. That kind of infrastructure buildout would be a huge economic stimulus for the USA and create jobs. And it would squeeze the treasuries of the oil-exporting economies Russia and Saudi Arabia.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/07/our-approach-to-climate-change-
isnt-working-lets-try-something-else/
But Trump does not believe it should be done and his Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, looks after Exxon-Mobil’s best interests, not ours. And the 184,500 coal mining employees would whine and complain. Therefore what is in our best interest will not be happening so long as Trump is President or the GOP has at least 40 Senators scheming to kill these projects however they can.- SECOND
The batteries crap out after five years or so anyway, and my contacts in the solid waste field are telling me soto voce that they're becoming a solid waste problem. And besides, we run the risk of becoming dependent on Chinese lithium, instead of Saudi oil.
The energy companies are looking into all kinds of energy storage devices, from pumping water uphill to melting salt to spinning up flywheels but storing enough energy to power a suburb overnight, or for a day or two, is still in th distance. (And BTW- electric cars only improve our carbon footprint by 1% or so.) So while all of this is theoretically possible, it's not here YET. At best, it's a supplemental source of power.
I agree that thumping coal and oil is short-sighted and may be based more on business interests or political support than energy independence. I would be more convinced of Trump's approach if he was pushing the "conservation" angle as hard as he's pushing the "domestic production" angle.
THE SIMPLE SOLUTION WOULD BE A "CARBON TAX": Any burned fuel would be measured for its carbon content and taxed accordingly. That way, the "cost" of an item would more accurately represent the actual long-term cost of its production or use.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Right now there's so much bullshit flying about that you need to choose your news carefully. I tend to think, at least for me, that there are certain folks who are not serving the public good with good intentions. Choose wisely, my friends, choose wisely.
SGG
Perfect SGG. The facts along with honest interpretations of those facts are out there.
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Quote:AND because he hadn't indicated either way AND because I had called him a "her" and was never corrected.
I assumed SECOND was a "she" because of the avatar, ...- SIGNY
You have a male avatar and you are female, so... another lie?- GSTRING
As far as my avatar, I identified with Simon's profession and position, particularly the "taking care of a brain-damaged dependent" part.
Just more bullshit trolling and completely off-track personal attacks from GSTRING. Man, you just can't let it go, can you?
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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My avatar is for Summer Glau to appear in Avatar 2 as Sigourney Weaver's daughter. They look alike but it ain't happening. She didn't get the job. Neither did she get a job on Serenity 2.
www.digitalspy.com/movies/avatar/feature/a785456/avatar-2-release-date
-plot-cast-and-everything-you-need-to-know-about-james-camerons-long-awaited-sequel/
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Uh huh. Maybe it was, yanno, a trick? To reveal your prejudices to others?
You clearly meant suggesting I was gay as an insult - so, another lie.Quote:I assumed SECOND was a "she" because of the avatar, because SECOND did not reveal anything about his sex, and because I called SECOND "she" and "her" several times in the past and I was never corrected. I recall being called "he" and never correcting the poster. It's not a big deal.
Like when you called second "she." You're like a 10 year old - you just can't help yourself.
I can't help it if you insist in thinking the worst of me, but honestly, you're really far off the mark.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:The man who brought us the lithium-ion battery at the age of 57 has an idea for a new one at 92. It’s many times better than lithium-ion and it will take just as many decades to commercialize, unless the Federal Government gets behind the idea and pushes hard. But that will only happen if Trump expects this battery is one of the few things standing between us and doomsday.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, we aren't THAT close to eliminating our dependence on oil. The sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow, and large-scale batteries are still a ways off ... just look at the difficulty that Tesla is having producing enough batteries for its cars. We're putting solar panels on our roof (panels having just broken the energy barrier about five years ago, where they produce over their lifetime more energy than it took to make them) but have declined the off-grid "wall battery" which isn't anywhere near good enough to power a whole house for any length of time.
The batteries crap out after five years or so anyway, and my contacts in the solid waste field are telling me soto voce that they're becoming a solid waste problem. And besides, we run the risk of becoming dependent on Chinese lithium, instead of Saudi oil.
The energy companies are looking into all kinds of energy storage devices, from pumping water uphill to melting salt to spinning up flywheels but storing enough energy to power a suburb overnight, or for a day or two, is still in th distance. (And BTW- electric cars only improve our carbon footprint by 1% or so.) So while all of this is theoretically possible, it's not here YET. At best, it's a supplemental source of power.
https://qz.com/338767
www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a25536/inventor-lithium-ion-ba
ttery-invented-another-battery/
Doomsday narratives are now starting to appear in respected, mainstream venues, written by otherwise able and thoughtful journalists. In this vein comes a recent New York magazine article “The Uninhabitable Earth” by David Wallace-Wells.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-
hot-for-humans.html
It is critical to keep in mind the potential for worst-case scenarios, the so-called fat tail of risk. It is, moreover, appropriate to criticize those who understate the risks. But there is also a danger in overstatement that presents the problem as unsolvable and future outcomes as inevitable.
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/doomsday-scenarios-are-as-harmful-as-c
limate-change-denial/2017/07/12/880ed002-6714-11e7-a1d7-9a32c91c6f40_story.html
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Yes, there are all kinds of wonderful ideas out there. But progress will be incremental, not found in one technical solution or implemented by one entity. We will not avoid global warming - Since we're already experiencing it, that option is closed. The only issue is: how much? When? And are we preparing for it?
If it's really as critical as all that, SECOND, you might want to rethink the whole concept of carbon sequestration for your ranching operations. I know it's expensive, but how about being part of the solution instead of part of the problem? You could contact the Nature Conservancy, they have had great success in helping ranchers improve their operations.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Quote:There is no way in hell I'll sacrifice myself for the good of planet Earth while all the neighboring ranches do the exact opposite and cancel everything out.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, there are all kinds of wonderful ideas out there. But progress will be incremental, not found in one technical solution or implemented by one entity. We will not avoid global warming - Since we're already experiencing it, that option is closed. The only issue is: how much? When? And are we preparing for it?
If it's really as critical as all that, SECOND, you might want to rethink the whole concept of carbon sequestration for your ranching operations. I know it's expensive, but how about being part of the solution instead of part of the problem? You could contact the Nature Conservancy, they have had great success in helping ranchers improve their operations.
I was thinking more along the path of at least two Manhattan Project size projects:
1) Build a climate change computer model that politicians will believe. So long as they can convince themselves that the worst that could happen isn't so bad, they will spend not enough on climate change in the USA.
2) Get the best battery banks in the world built. It will be no more expensive than building, say, 30,000 H-bombs which was rather a futile effort and it sure would be more useful. Besides, it will create jobs. See John Goodenough.
www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a25536/inventor-lithium-ion-ba
ttery-invented-another-battery/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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So, basically ...
1) "I'd cut off my nose to spite my face.", and ...
2) "I'm as Republican as the next guy because I let them determine my behavior".
SECOND, your GOP neighbor cannot "undue" what you do. If you sequester five tons of carbon dioxide per year, that's five tons of carbon dioxide per year, irrespective of what your neighbor does or doesn't do. In addition, you can gain MONETARY benefits because your ranches can become more productive; perhaps you can even make then available for private-party hunting (fees) or tourism, for example. You really should look into it; there may be more in it for you than you imagine.
I agree that individual action is not a substitute for collective action; "Hitler would not have been stopped by dumpster-diving". OTOH, if you can set a good example, particularly if it makes money for you, you might be able to motivate others to do similarly.
I personally carry on my passion for the environment personally (individual action like recycling); professionally (thru my choice of employment); collectively through interest groups; and politically through advocacy, voting, and direct support of specific politicians. The actions aren't mutually exclusive, you know.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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