Wonder Woman
POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 11:30
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There seemed to be a bunch of feminazi dogma forced into the script - perhpas due to the female-heavy credit list (director, producers, etc).
Have you ever read about the origins of Wonder Woman? William Moulton Marston was a pretty brilliant guy with big time submissive tenancies when it came to his sexual tastes. He lived with his wife and another woman in a "poly-amorous" relationship. He wasn't just making things up when he wrote Wonder Woman and the other Amazons in the comics. He was living the life at home.
He also was partially responsible for the creation of the polygraph machine, which is probably tied in with WW's golden lasso.
I'm sure I'll get around to seeing this at some point, but DC movies just don't really do anything for me. The last one I saw was the 2nd Bale Batman. I don't know what DC's doing wrong... especially with Batman. Most of their other characters are just not as interesting as Marvel's characters, but how do you constantly screw up Batman?
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Quote:I thought I had, but it has been a long time. It's kinda fuzzy, but the story in the film didn't ring as many bells as I expected.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
There seemed to be a bunch of feminazi dogma forced into the script - perhpas due to the female-heavy credit list (director, producers, etc).
Have you ever read about the origins of Wonder Woman? William Moulton Marston was a pretty brilliant guy with big time submissive tenancies when it came to his sexual tastes.
Quote:Start with Baffleck. Mission accomplished.
I don't know what DC's doing wrong... especially with Batman. Most of their other characters are just not as interesting as Marvel's characters, but how do you constantly screw up Batman?
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The reason Ares is not a demigod is because he's the child of Zeus and Hera. Both gods. Diana is a child of Zeus and Hypolita (sp?). One god one amazon. So, she's not full god. Though I will say if the movie is to be taken seriously then she's apparently invulnerable now. They said "it takes a god to kill a god" and if she was able to kill a god then she must be a god herself and supposedly the last one. So, unless she has offspring who are also gods then nothing should be able to kill her. It's lines like that which really drag a movie down IMO. It seems like it was flippantly thrown in to sound cool without taking into account what it actually means.
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Ares was the child of Zeus and Hera.
Diana was the creation of Zeus, the King of the Gods, IIRC. That would imply she was more powerful than Ares.
Not sure of the source you are using. The film clearly stated that Hippolyta was not Diana's mother. Diana was a gift from Zeus to the Amazon women (residing nowhere near the Amazon.) Diana was the Secret Weapon which Zeus created, to be safekept by Queen Hippolyta and the Amazon women, IIR the film's story correctly.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Start with Baffleck. Mission accomplished.
I think it started with Joel Schumacker and Val Kilmer/George Clooney. I'm pretty sure if they let him do a 3rd Batman movie it was going to star Nathan Lane as the caped Crusader.
My brother and I joked about that one night and came up with a whole plot for it. Nathan Lane as Batman and Robin Williams as Robin. It was going to be called The BatCage.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Start with Baffleck. Mission accomplished.
I think it started with Joel Schumacker and Val Kilmer/George Clooney. I'm pretty sure if they let him do a 3rd Batman movie it was going to star Nathan Lane as the caped Crusader.
My brother and I joked about that one night and came up with a whole plot for it. Nathan Lane as Batman and Robin Williams as Robin. It was going to be called The BatCage.
The Nolan/Bale films have since been. I felt they raised the bar significantly.
You misspelled in your post. It's spelled ButtCage.
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There seemed to be a bunch of feminazi dogma forced into the script - perhpas due to the female-heavy credit list (director, producers, etc).
Feminazi. I have to say, most folks misuse that word. It actually does NOT mean anything pro-woman or even feminist. It's more directed towards those perpetually angry types who go beyond praising women, but to the point of denigrating men, at every turn. Did you SEE what those women warriors could do ? They were truly legit. Kinda like old school slayers, all of 'em. And Diana, well... super bad ass.
But the criticism of the movie actually has come from those who didn't think there was enough 'feminazi' dogma, so I guess you can't please everyone.
There are men who need to 'check themselves ' as in what they think a woman's proper role should be , just as there are women who need to do the same. In the real world, trans - women are routinely winning HS athletic competition against other females. There's a reason for that. Just sayin'.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You misspelled in your post. It's spelled ButtCage.
lol... Nah, it's like that movie the Birdcage, but with Batman
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It is well established that Snyder uses way too much CGI (and uses it badly in both Superman v. Batman and here in WW), and it's also well established that he's not good at script writing despite the success of 300 and The Watchmen which were based on graphic novels written by Frank Miller and Lynn Varley; while the Watchmen was written by Alan Moore. Both films written by someone else and adapted by Michael B. Gordan, Kurt Johnstad, Zack Snyder.
Snyder and company should stick to materials written by other people which they could adapt (I'm thinking of the bomb Sucker Punch which Snyder created and wrote as an example of bad writing; imaginative, but bad). In the case of WW, she was brought to life by DC comics and William Marston. Were there some awkward scenes in WW, sure. I could almost point out which ones were written by Snyder (not really),
but that is not his strong suit. Neither is CGI FX. I dare say that his partners were more involved in the screenplay than Snyder, but the film did have it's moments. Although there were some scenes that just fell flat:
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like when our heroes reach London and go shopping for clothes
But I just recently found out (by watching an interview on ET) that Patty Jenkins was directing I felt somewhat relieved. Whatever Snyder's talent is, it's not in the above-mentioned areas. Well, enough of that.
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Ares is a God, as is Zeus. According to the legend within the film; Zeus, worried that Ares is out to destroy man - Zeus' creation - he imbues the clay form
he directed Hippolyta to shape into a female with certain God-like powers. It was she, Diana, that was called the Godkiller. So, like Hercules of Greek Myth, she was given super powers to kill Ares should he resurface to threaten mankind. She was a Demi-God, but with the strength, wisdom and drive to kill Ares.
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I want to reiterate that I don't think it was a bad movie, but to act like it was a masterpiece is silly to me.
At no point in my post did I ever say that WW was a masterpiece. I only reserve that for movies that deliver an impact or that are inspiring; Wonder Woman is not one of those films. I said that it was "well done," that's a far site from "masterpiece."
SGG
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When I says "since Snyder took over" I don't mean to imply he wrote and directed Wonder Woman. I just mean DC movies since the Nolan Batman movies. Because if we include those then even the crummy Bane movie is better than Wonder Woman.Select to view spoiler:
The reason Ares is not a demigod is because he's the child of Zeus and Hera. Both gods. Diana is a child of Zeus and Hypolita (sp?). One god one amazon. So, she's not full god. Though I will say if the movie is to be taken seriously then she's apparently invulnerable now. They said "it takes a god to kill a god" and if she was able to kill a god then she must be a god herself and supposedly the last one. So, unless she has offspring who are also gods then nothing should be able to kill her. It's lines like that which really drag a movie down IMO. It seems like it was flippantly thrown in to sound cool without taking into account what it actually means.
I want to reiterate that I don't think it was a bad movie, but to act like it was a masterpiece is silly to me. Even in the trailers we see the scene where she apparently can't understand that holding her shield flat will prevent her from passing through a narrow doorway. I get that she's a fish out of water, but why does that make her too stupid to understand that solid matter rarely passes through other solid matter? That's just shoddy writing because she's obviously not a stupid character in the rest of the film. It really seemed like the movie needed a script doctor to polish it. As is it's a bit dull.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Select to view spoiler:
Ares was the child of Zeus and Hera.
Diana was the creation of Zeus, the King of the Gods, IIRC. That would imply she was more powerful than Ares.
Not sure of the source you are using. The film clearly stated that Hippolyta was not Diana's mother. Diana was a gift from Zeus to the Amazon women (residing nowhere near the Amazon.) Diana was the Secret Weapon which Zeus created, to be safekept by Queen Hippolyta and the Amazon women, IIR the film's story correctly.
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hmmm maybe I wasn't paying super close attention to the exact detials in the movie because in the comics "No longer a clay figure brought to life by the magic of the gods, she is, instead, a demi-goddess and the natural-born daughter of Hippolyta and Zeus." - wikipedia. When they said Zeus was her father I figured they were going with the current comic origin of Wonder Woman. Were they explicit about how Zeus "gave" the amazons Diana? I know they said it was one of his last acts, but I thought they sorta glossed over the details.
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Wonder Woman’s dueling origin stories are explained at:
www.vox.com/culture/2017/6/7/15740202/wonder-woman-origin-story-amazon
s-marston-explained
In 2011, DC Comics instituted a relaunch of 52 of its titles called the “The New 52,” which essentially undid those titles’ previous storylines and “reset” them at a new starting point; it was characterized at the time as a way to make the comics more accessible to new readers. In writer Brian Azzarello and artist Cliff Chiang’s New 52 run, Wonder Woman’s origin is changed.
The movie gives BOTH origin stories, the old and the new. The movie leaves the final interpretation of Diana’s origin to its audience, and in doing so reflects a debate over Diana’s origin that’s been going on in Wonder Woman comic books over the past several years.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by Zeek:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Select to view spoiler:
Ares was the child of Zeus and Hera.
Diana was the creation of Zeus, the King of the Gods, IIRC. That would imply she was more powerful than Ares.
Not sure of the source you are using. The film clearly stated that Hippolyta was not Diana's mother. Diana was a gift from Zeus to the Amazon women (residing nowhere near the Amazon.) Diana was the Secret Weapon which Zeus created, to be safekept by Queen Hippolyta and the Amazon women, IIR the film's story correctly.
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hmmm maybe I wasn't paying super close attention to the exact detials in the movie because in the comics "No longer a clay figure brought to life by the magic of the gods, she is, instead, a demi-goddess and the natural-born daughter of Hippolyta and Zeus." - wikipedia. When they said Zeus was her father I figured they were going with the current comic origin of Wonder Woman. Were they explicit about how Zeus "gave" the amazons Diana? I know they said it was one of his last acts, but I thought they sorta glossed over the details.
Wikipedia? When was the last time they got something right?
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