Is Trump Nuts?
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UPDATED: Tuesday, September 1, 2026 23:49
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Quote:I've got another mountain for you to make a molehill out of -- if Trump ordering his staff to lie is a molehill:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meh, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.
Most presidents would worry that if you order the staff of the Council of Economic Advisers to make up fake numbers, they will leak that to the Wall Street Journal.
But perhaps the biggest part is that normally presidents are trying, on some level, to work with Congress to get things done. Congress needs to use Congressional Budget Office numbers when legislating, so a fake White House forecast doesn’t help a president’s allies on the Hill. In effect, Trump is simply tossing congressional Republicans a hot potato — telling them that he is disavowing responsibility for any of the trade-offs inherent in governing, and that the responsibility is all on them to work things out.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/23/15674512/trump-budget-econom
ic-growth
I suspect the as-yet-unidentified crime that Trump did not want investigated by Comey is about numbers. Not the fake numbers Trump ordered to be used on his economic forecast to justify his budget, but he is worried about the fake numbers on his income tax returns. He is certainly acting squirrelly about releasing those documents, isn't he?
Quote:The special council needs to look at the tax returns for Trump's family of companies. That would be more damning than taking depositions about what Trump said in private to who. Trump will deny everything said, anyway, but he can't deny that those are his tax returns and that if he lied on them, his lies saved him from paying billions in taxes. There is a big difference between being audited by an accountant at the IRS and being tax audited by 50 agents of the FBI.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The investigation is STILL underway, although at this point I sure would like to know what, exactly, in being investigated because the goal seems to be wandering all over the place.
If Trump would order his White House staff to lie on the federal budget numbers, he would lie on his tax returns, since that is more beneficial to his net worth.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
He is certainly acting squirrelly about releasing those documents, isn't he?
Once again you show your ignorance on the subject of tax returns.
The IRS already knows what is in them. If there was anything illegal in them, we'd already know about it because Trump would be in handcuffs.
Don't believe me? Ask Al Capone if he gave the IRS permission.
I assume he isn't releasing them to the public because he doesn't want to inadvertently give morons like Rachel Maddow a $20Million check when she spends the next 3 years breaking it down for the sheep.
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Quote:The FBI compared Al Capone's known expenditures to his claimed income. The IRS could not do what the FBI could. The IRS did not have field agents making estimates of how much Capone spent on booze, hotels, and parties.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
He is certainly acting squirrelly about releasing those documents, isn't he?
Once again you show your ignorance on the subject of tax returns.
The IRS already knows what is in them. If there was anything illegal in them, we'd already know about it because Trump would be in handcuffs.
Don't believe me? Ask Al Capone if he gave the IRS permission.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone#Trials
As an example of how to cheat on taxes without being caught by the IRS, if Trump borrowed Russian money for a golf course, then they "forgave" part of the loan because the restaurant income and golf club fees collected weren't enough to service the loan, the amount "forgiven" by the Russians would be reportable income on Trump's taxes. But what if Trump did not report it? The IRS would never know because it is strictly hush-hush between Trump and his Russians. It is no-longer hush-hush when FBI agents with search warrants visit Trump's accountants to see who was paid and when they were paid.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
But what if Trump did not report it? The IRS would never know because it is strictly hush-hush between Trump and his Russians. It is no-longer hush-hush when FBI agents with search warrants visit Trump's accountants to see who was paid and when they were paid.
You're really dealing in a lot of theoreticals here.
Why would trumps accountants know about anything that wasn't reported in his taxes? It's not as if H&R Block would be able to tell the IRS how many unclaimed tips a waitress got over the year.
Why would somebody running for President expose himself like this and leave a bunch of loose ends lying all around?
Why would the GOP have allowed Trump to be their guy in the first place if there was even any real suspicion that he had been a tax cheat, since that would be so easily provable? Seeing as how almost the entire GOP was against Trump the whole way too, why didn't they chase this phantom themselves?
As for the FBI being able to do what the IRS is not able to do, that was still done against Al Capone without his permission and even his knowledge. If the IRS suspects that his tax returns are bogus, there's nothing stopping them from having the FBI investigate it. For all we know they already are.
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I don't know what tax scams Trump has run, but just from looking at his fake numbers in his federal budget, he is the kind of character who would cheat the IRS. That ain't theoretical. I ought to give some numbers:
In the United States, the IRS estimate of the 2001 tax gap was $345 billion. For 2006, the tax gap is estimated to be $450 billion. A more recent study estimates the 2008 tax gap in the range of $450 to $500 billion, and unreported income to be approximately $2 trillion.
Tax evasion in the United States - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
But what if Trump did not report it? The IRS would never know because it is strictly hush-hush between Trump and his Russians. It is no-longer hush-hush when FBI agents with search warrants visit Trump's accountants to see who was paid and when they were paid.
You're really dealing in a lot of theoreticals here.
Why would trumps accountants know about anything that wasn't reported in his taxes? It's not as if H&R Block would be able to tell the IRS how many unclaimed tips a waitress got over the year.
Why would somebody running for President expose himself like this and leave a bunch of loose ends lying all around?
Why would the GOP have allowed Trump to be their guy in the first place if there was even any real suspicion that he had been a tax cheat, since that would be so easily provable? Seeing as how almost the entire GOP was against Trump the whole way too, why didn't they chase this phantom themselves?
As for the FBI being able to do what the IRS is not able to do, that was still done against Al Capone without his permission and even his knowledge. If the IRS suspects that his tax returns are bogus, there's nothing stopping them from having the FBI investigate it. For all we know they already are.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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"Trump will Figure Out a Way to Resign." Art of the Deal Ghostwriter
Tony Schwartz says on YouTube.
I can believe that Trump is vacant, hollow, desperate, adrift.
Not at all self-directed mature rational.
Yeah ... he's nuts.
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I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.
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Quote:Even when Trump is trying to be adult, he is not authentically trying. On his budget, Trump isn’t even remotely in the neighborhood of a blueprint that Congress could use if they were so inclined. He’s taken the vast technical and analytical resources of the executive branch and effectively thrown them all in the trash can.
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
"Trump will Figure Out a Way to Resign." Art of the Deal Ghostwriter
Tony Schwartz says on YouTube.
I can believe that Trump is vacant, hollow, desperate, adrift.
Not at all self-directed mature rational.
Yeah ... he's nuts.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/23/15680110/trump-budget-accoun
ting-error
The underlying issue here is the slapdash process through which his tax plan was released. Trump’s economic team was busy working on the difficult problem of designing a revenue-neutral tax plan when someone showed Trump a New York Times op-ed by Steve Forbes, Larry Kudlow, Arthur Laffer, and Stephen Moore.
Trump summoned staff to talk about the op-ed. His message: Make this the tax plan.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SIG likes to post old posts of her criticizing Trump. She is attempting to show us she weighted each candidates qualities fairly and objectively. She does this because she thinks we are stupid. That we are incapable of navigating through here subjective and agenda driven trolling. That we are blind and incapable of understanding what she was up to at the time. Below is a link started by her designed to destroy one candidate while she only criticized the other. One need not look further than the first two posts to see how fair and objective she was going to be towards Hillary, and how I would respond to her going forward.
Being a Russian troll she would of course push for Trump, while leavening herself room to attack Trump if he should buck up against Russia. After all, the winner would be the next American president.
Because Trump won she finds herself in a unique situation. One where she needs to criticize Trump, while deflecting from why he should be removed from office.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60433&p=1
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Originally posted by second:
I don't know what tax scams Trump has run, but just from looking at his fake numbers in his federal budget, he is the kind of character who would cheat the IRS. That ain't theoretical.
No. But it's besides the point.
He's only "hiding" his returns from the MSM and the American people. Agencies within the Government already know what are in them, and if they suspect anything nefarious it is within their purview to have it investigated. That's how tax returns work. Nobody is above that law.
I don't know why Trump doesn't release them to the public though. You know what a troll he is. He's probably enjoying the media attention and maybe he's saying to himself if Obama didn't have to share his birth certificate, I'm not going to share my taxes. Neener Neener.
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How you could get to adulthood and not know that tens of millions of Americans successfully cheat on trillions of dollars in taxes? They never will be forced to pay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States
Income tax collection is an honor system for the income that does NOT appear on W-2 forms sent in by employers and 1099 forms sent by banks to the IRS. NONE of Trump's income is on a W-2 or a 1099. (Well, maybe 1099s that he fills out himself to himself, deciding whatever he wants his income to be on paper.)
The IRS is depending upon Americans' basic honesty. They depend on Trump's basic honesty. If he cheated intelligently, he can get away with it, despite IRS audits, until the FBI checks his returns. There a reason why he established hundreds of corporations: the extreme complexity frustrates an IRS auditor so Trump could heroically cheat like the champion he is. I truly admire his rational dedication to the Self-interest Theory of taxable income reporting.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/16/news/companies/donald-trump-ethics/
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I don't know what tax scams Trump has run, but just from looking at his fake numbers in his federal budget, he is the kind of character who would cheat the IRS. That ain't theoretical.
No. But it's besides the point.
He's only "hiding" his returns from the MSM and the American people. Agencies within the Government already know what are in them, and if they suspect anything nefarious it is within their purview to have it investigated. That's how tax returns work. Nobody is above that law.
I don't know why Trump doesn't release them to the public though. You know what a troll he is. He's probably enjoying the media attention and maybe he's saying to himself if Obama didn't have to share his birth certificate, I'm not going to share my taxes. Neener Neener.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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