Aetna to pull out of ObamaCare ENTIRELY by 2018
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Quote:It's a question of evidence. Without evidence, I can't accept claims as facts.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Seriously, it's a well known fact that those who need the best care come to the United States. What difference does it matter how many I can name ? Doesn't change the fact, does it ?
The way you put it - it must be really common. There should be examples everywhere, that readily come to mind, or that you can easily find through google, or that your right-wing sources have pre-compiled for you.
Anyway, I looked. And I couldn't find one - not one - single example through a general search. Now, I did have a vague recollection that Ferdinand Marcos got medical treatment in the US - and here it is "he was admitted for medical treatment in New York in October 1979". But that was 38 years ago.
So, where's the evidence to support your claims?
As for Williams - he could easily have had the surgery in Canada, by world-renowned experts who pioneered the techniques:
Quote:WHY he chose to come to the US - perhaps he wanted to recover in his Florida condo - is something he didn't share with the rest of us. But it wasn't a necessity.
If it turned out he had needed some esoteric procedure not available in Canada, I figured the critics would have a field day.
But the reality appears to be the opposite of what I feared. Williams needed an operation on his mitral valve. His office admits the procedure was, in fact, available in Canada. It’s more than that, though: Canadian cardiac surgeons happen to be renowned for their expertise in valve repair.
And this one case doesn't support your overblown and entirely untrue hyperbole that **ALL** the world leaders come here.
Quote:Rant? Where?
And as for the rest of your rant...
I just pointed out is that 99.999% of Americans don't have the money it takes to travel globally and afford literally anything money can buy.
Quote:No.
Oh,and btw, are you saying they no longer come here, " in the past 5 years ", BECAUSE of ObamaCare ?
Quote:I originally had a mild dislike for Obamacare, but I was willing to see how things worked out. It looks like the deep cavern of unmet medical need took far more money to try to fill than anyone anticipated. It looks like we need a plan B - but not a plan that's worse.
Meh, you might be right about that one.
Quote:That would be stupid.
But back to the POINT... the collapse of the Insurance companies was fully planned and expected by Obama.
Quote:If you don't have an explanation at hand as to how this relates to 'freedom', perhaps you could link one of your right-wing sources.
So much for freedom.
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"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:That was Ronald Reagan.
Are you forgetting that the liberals already solved this entire issue? The solution was to release the mentally ill from hospitals to be free from homes, aka homeless
1981
Under President Ronald Reagan, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act repeals Carter's community health legislation and establishes block grants for the states, ending the federal government's role in providing services to the mentally ill. Federal mental-health spending decreases by 30 percent.
1984
An Ohio-based study finds that up to 30 percent of homeless people are thought to suffer from serious mental illness.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/timeline-mental-health-ame
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From the 1963 Kennedy Reform Legislation to 1977, the mentally ill population had dropped by 70%, from over a half million down to 160,000 nationwide. The outrage spurred by the film "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" had liberals all in uproar, and most of the mentally ill were out of the hospitals before Reagan took office, let alone when he reduced the excessive costs applied to the meager few.
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Quote:Kennedy was killed in 1963
From the 1963 Kennedy Reform Legislation to 1977
Quote:Which premiered in 1975.
The outrage spurred by the film "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest"
Timeline doesn't work. There must have been other reasons for the decline
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Timeline doesn't work. There must have been other reasons for the decline
Blame it on the Mandela Effect.
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"From the 1963 Kennedy Reform Legislation to 1977, the mentally ill population had dropped by 70%, from over a half million down to 160,000 nationwide."
"First-generation antipsychotics, known as typical antipsychotics, were discovered in the 1950s. Most second-generation drugs, known as atypical antipsychotics, have been developed more recently, although the first atypical antipsychotic, clozapine, was discovered in the 1960s and introduced clinically in the 1970s." (google)
"During the 1980s, an additional 40,000 beds in state mental hospitals were shut down. The patients being sent to community facilities were no longer those who were moderately well-functioning or elderly; rather, they included the more difficult, chronic patients from the hospitals’ back wards. These patients were often younger than patients previously discharged, less likely to respond to medication, and less likely to be aware of their need for medication."
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0199988714/?tag=saloncom08-20
American Psychosis: How the Federal Government Destroyed the Mental Illness Treatment System 1st Edition
It's true that deinstitutionalization started before Reagan, especially in California. What Reagan did was defund federal dollars to states to care for the mentally ill. That did two things: 1) community treatment which had been part of the original concept was no longer available in quantity to meet the demand, and 2) it became uneconomic to keep hardcore psychotics in hospitals, and so they were released into the community (versus depressed or mildly confused people, or those with disabilities, who had been released earlier to 'group homes', etc)
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"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
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Quote:very good, grasshopper. 1963 is the year John F. Kennedy was killed. Was your history a little fuzzy, or you thought nobody else knew this? He was killed in November. The day before November, he signed into Law that which I mentioned.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Kennedy was killed in 1963
From the 1963 Kennedy Reform Legislation to 1977
Quote:very good grasshopper. It was released in 1975. Only 13 years after the novel was published, and only 12 year after the Broadway show. Many people consider films to have a much wider audience and appeal than book or Broadway.Quote:Which premiered in 1975.
The outrage spurred by the film "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest"
Although most reports show that this population had dropped to 160,000 by 1977, the outage of the systematic institutionalism further decreased the ranks.
You might be aware that 1975 was more than 5 years before 1981, when Reagan had his first budget - which was applied to the Fiscal Year 1982 (6 years after 1975).
Quote:I don't see the quandary you have with the timeline.
Timeline doesn't work. There must have been other reasons for the decline
Also, kiki's reply shows that during all of the 1980's, only 40,000 mental health beds were shut down, or 25% of 160,000 - further eroding her erroneous presumption.
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Raw numbers alone don't tell the story.
It was common for people to be institutionalized for depression ("The Snake Pit"). Remove those people and you drop the number of institutionalized people - without dramatically increasing the number of homeless people. It was also common to institutionalize people for retardation and cerebral palsy. But - as the DOCUMENTED AND LINKED history indicates - these were considered 'easy' patients to care for in a privatized group home setting, so that they, too, when 'deinstitutionalized' and sent to a group home, didn't increase the number of homeless.
OTOH, untreatable schizophrenics - the last to be deinstitutionalized - DID add to the homeless population when Reagan cut federal funding for mental health.
It's nice to see that, sometimes, karma works as it should. Reagan was shot by an untreated schizophrenic, and died a mindless worm, of Alzheimer's.
Care to try addressing FACTS again?
Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?
Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The problem with "well known facts" is that they may be well-known but not necessarily factual.
.... Seriously, it's a well known fact- AURQuote:If this was all planned out, you would think that Dems would have some better alternatives waiting in the wings. Do they? And it seems the GOP should have been better-prepared a well. Are they?
But back to the POINT... the collapse of the Insurance companies was fully planned and expected by Obama. It was part of the big lie Americans were told in order to get his terrible law passed in the first place. Useful idiots will try as they might to blame ' greedy ' insurance companies, but the fact is , this is exactly how the law was intended to work, by forcing them out.- AUR
This seems to me more like an unplanned collapse, with no solutions in sight that don't cross serious campaign contributor lines.Quote:Freedom for who, to do what? Quite often, giving one group "freedom" means denying it to others. IMHO
So much for freedom. -RAP
Freedom isn't GIVEN, Sig. It's inalienable, to ALL of us. The govt's job is NOT to dole out Freedom, to this or that group, but to protect it, for ALL.
Ask the Dems why they aren't ready to deal w/ O-Care. Some are, saying they want to 'fix it, not repeal it ', while others are simply mute on the issue, still playing along as if it's the greatest law ever passed.
Letting Obama enjoy his "win", for a while longer, as it were. Then they'll come around , blame the GOP for its failures, and push for single payer. That's been the play all along.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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But back to the POINT... the collapse of the Insurance companies was fully planned and expected by Obama.
" That would be stupid "
And yet, stupid is exactly what we have !
Obama
Gov't does not fund what it does not run. Obama is talking out of both sides of his slender little ass.
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So much for freedom.
" If you don't have an explanation at hand as to how this relates to 'freedom', perhaps you could link one of your right-wing sources. "
You've successfully fought off understanding the concept of freedom this long, I can't help you now.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
By who? Conservatives don't riot and cause civil unrest. Only leftist psychos do that, and they will be thrilled with Govt. Single Payer. So what are you talking about?
Those sick and tired of paying 2,3,4 x what they were paying before the ACA. So far, it's been Leftist Antifa punks, trying to shut down free speech. But this keeps up, the Right is going to have its own answer.
Okay. What do you have in mind?
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