Aetna to pull out of ObamaCare ENTIRELY by 2018
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Quote:That was Ronald Reagan.
Are you forgetting that the liberals already solved this entire issue? The solution was to release the mentally ill from hospitals to be free from homes, aka homeless
1981
Under President Ronald Reagan, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act repeals Carter's community health legislation and establishes block grants for the states, ending the federal government's role in providing services to the mentally ill. Federal mental-health spending decreases by 30 percent.
1984
An Ohio-based study finds that up to 30 percent of homeless people are thought to suffer from serious mental illness.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/timeline-mental-health-ame
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Care to try addressing the facts, again?
Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?
Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
The repubs here sound like a bunch of hillbilly rubes.
Somehow they failed to notice that there's an entire world out there, that all other developed nations out there have some form of government healthcare, that even developing nations do as well, and that people with government healthcare are healthier at less cost.
And yet, where do all the world leaders come for life saving surgeries and treatment ? Cuba ? Canada ?
This empty mantra " they do it, so why can't we ? " is just the sort of nonsense moms and dads have heard for ever. This keeping up with the Jones' is a sorry excuse when one is trying to stand for freedom. Govt control of our lives is the last thing We The People need.
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Quote:**ALL** the world leaders? I dare you to name me a dozen. Too hard? How about 6. Still too hard? How about just one - in the last 5 years. C'mon big boy - show us you're not just empty bluff.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
And yet, where do all the world leaders come for life saving surgeries and treatment ? Cuba ? Canada ?
But you DO make a point, even if it's not the one you intended. Assuming you have GLOBAL LEVEL PERSONAL WEALTH - you can buy anything in the US.
That doesn't help the rest of us poor schmucks get healthcare on a working person's salary, though.
Quote:So you WANT people to be sick and impoverished?
This empty mantra " they do it, so why can't we ? " is just the sort of nonsense moms and dads have heard for ever. This keeping up with the Jones' is a sorry excuse when one is trying to stand for freedom. Govt control of our lives is the last thing We The People need.
Care to try addressing the facts, again?
Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?
Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
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Care to try addressing the facts, again?
Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?
Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
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Quote:If you look at the "cost" of liabilities vs. the "savings" of privatization, privatization may not work out so well.
They are only thrilled by their delusional version of Govt. Single payer: less cost - which it won't be, as many available doctors as before ACA - which it won't be, lower deductibles - which there won't be, and all their other utopian free government money demands - which their won't be.
So the same Libtards who have been rioting for any lame excuse will claim another lame excuse.= JSF
The GOP mantra for decades and decades has been to contract everything out, because "free enterprise" and "market forces" always work "better" than government. But I've seen MANY formerly government functions contracted out (prisons, security, food and janitorial services, labs) and the only thing they were "better" at was providing poorer customer service, lower pay to workers, and amazing profits to the company. They didn't even save the government any money!= SIGNY
They saved the government money in the forms of liabilities, lawsuits and legacy costs.= JSF
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I do not agree that prisons should be farmed out without much better oversight and monitoring. I HAVE heard that inmate rape occurs less in private prisons than the rampant problem in government incarceration, but I am not sure all of the evidecnce is in. JSF
I'm not sure there's any evidence at all.
I'll add communication services to the list of things that are often done better and cheaper by government. Other infrastructure. Space exploration. Not everything SHOULD be "privatized".
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The problem with our healthcare being so expensive and so ineffective isn't necessarily a lack of doctors (USA is low on the list with 2.3, but Japan is even lower with 2.0 and Singapore at 1.4) http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1
,000-people or lack of facilities (except in rural areas) - SIGNY
Are you trying to be disingenuous? Comparing per capita data with Japan and Singapore, or any other high-density population? Are you pretending that the larger geographical range of America does not require a lower per capita rate of Doctors? Maybe compare to Canada, which has a population density less than that of USA. - JSF
Canada, 2,1
Australia 2.5
Finland (a whole lot of thing there!) 2.6
Greenland 1.1
Quote:With KIKI om this one: That was Ronald Reagan.
but the fact that healthcare is controlled by near-monopolies of pharmas, insurances, and giant hospital chains, and healthcare flows to money. This has left large portions of the population unserved, and created a huge reservoir of sick people. Also, the homeless/ mentally ill create a huge burden on emergency rooms (and jails); we need a better way to reduce our homeless population.= SIGNY
Are you forgetting that the liberals already solved this entire issue? The solution was to release the mentally ill from hospitals to be free from homes, aka homeless.= JSF
Quote:No. I never committed Obama's lies, rationalizations, and self-justifications to memory, so that one slipped by me. But since I don't really remember what he said, maybe YOU can explain how the "real math" is supposed to work?
Anyway, one way to control costs is to have the USA government be the single payer, and negotiate for better rates. That would eliminate at least 15% of the extraneous costs right there. - SIGNY
Further example of what I was posting about. Remember how Obama explained to you that numbers just don't work out the way that liberals think, when real math is employed.- JSF
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
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All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
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Anyway, both GOP and Dems are treating this like the hot potato that it is
"You fix it!"
"No, YOU fix it!"
They both realize that NEITHER one of them can fix the healthcare system while still pleasing their insurance, pharma, and hospital-corporation campaign contributors. The Obama tried mightily to thread that needle, but Obamacare just wasn't able to bridge the gap.
There are a few possible alternatives:
Re-introducing competition. Frankly, that ship sailed years ago, when the govt approved so many M&As. And once monopolies occur, it seems to me that you can't un-ring that bell. Just look at the breakup of Ma Bell. See better service at cheaper prices? Yeah, me neither. I'm not sure what went wrong, but it's worthy of a study.
State-to-state control. This sounds a little better. Let each state figure out how it's going to regulate healthcare. There will be a diversity of plans. I'm just not sure that individual states are more responsive than the Federal government.
Federal health insurance. This works well until the Federal government - like the NHS- decides to defund the health services or (worse) take out ridiculous loans or (worse still) behave like our current Federal government: serve the corporations at the expense of the people.
Clearly, "the market" hasn't worked for healthcare for a long while. It has not served as a feedback loop to provide better service at cheaper prices. The problem is now how to build in different/ better feedback to make sure that the system remains responsive. The Founding Fathers bet on democracy and The Vote, but that solution was corrupted very quickly.
I'm not at all happy reaching the conclusion that state or Federal governments seem to be the only viable option. I'm still looking for an alternative, or for ways to make govt insurance responsive to the people, and not just hostages to the rest of the healthcare system (pharma, hospital corps etc.) It really is a knotty problem.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
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Quote:Wow, you have a permanent hard-on for KIKI, don't you? You keep claiming that KIKI is somehow "lying", and yet I don't see anything like that in this thread, nor any of the others where you claim the same thing. So refresh my memory - point out where KIKI "lied" so badly that you got a permanent kink in your psyche about it.
Care to not be a lying sack of shit? No? Ok!- GSTRING
BTW, if you're wondering why I sometimes call you "G" and sometimes "GSTRING", it's related to the quality of your post. If you're being a troll, I call you "GSTRING".
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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:**ALL** the world leaders? I dare you to name me a dozen. Too hard? How about 6. Still too hard? How about just one - in the last 5 years. C'mon big boy - show us you're not just empty bluff.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
And yet, where do all the world leaders come for life saving surgeries and treatment ? Cuba ? Canada ?
Why the attitude ? What , do you feel someone slighted you ? Seriously, it's a well known fact that those who need the best care come to the United States. What difference does it matter how many I can name ? Doesn't change the fact, does it ?
( Canadian ) Premier Danny Williams... “This was my heart, my choice and my health. I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics.” He is correct and we also do not want to sign away that right.
He also explained a key reason why he didn’t stay in Canada. He needed an immediate operation. Williams said, “I would’ve been criticized if I had stayed in Canada and had been perceived as jumping a line or a wait list. … I accept that. That’s public life.”
And as for the rest of your rant... so not interested. Not even worth my time to bother w/ your ridiculous trolling / cry for attention.
Oh,and btw, are you saying they no longer come here, " in the past 5 years ", BECAUSE of ObamaCare ? Meh, you might be right about that one.
But back to the POINT... the collapse of the Insurance companies was fully planned and expected by Obama. It was part of the big lie Americans were told in order to get his terrible law passed in the first place. Useful idiots will try as they might to blame ' greedy ' insurance companies, but the fact is , this is exactly how the law was intended to work, by forcing them out.
So much for freedom.
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Quote:The problem with "well known facts" is that they may be well-known but not necessarily factual.
.... Seriously, it's a well known fact- AUR
Quote:If this was all planned out, you would think that Dems would have some better alternatives waiting in the wings. Do they? And it seems the GOP should have been better-prepared a well. Are they?
But back to the POINT... the collapse of the Insurance companies was fully planned and expected by Obama. It was part of the big lie Americans were told in order to get his terrible law passed in the first place. Useful idiots will try as they might to blame ' greedy ' insurance companies, but the fact is , this is exactly how the law was intended to work, by forcing them out.- AUR
This seems to me more like an unplanned collapse, with no solutions in sight that don't cross serious campaign contributor lines.
Quote:Freedom for who, to do what? Quite often, giving one group "freedom" means denying it to others. IMHO
So much for freedom. -RAP
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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And it seems the GOP should have been better-prepared a well. Are they?
Wells? We don't need no water. They're not preparing better wells. They're too busy preparing better Walls!
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