Is Trump Nuts?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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So you have cut down on illegals - check. What's it going to be like when the only way to get a vegetable or a piece of fruit is to pick yourself?

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International agribusiness gets diminished? Slave labor goes bye-bye? Those are good things. Don't you agree?

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I recall that legally laboring in Mexico is far worse than illegally laboring in the USA. That's hard to believe, except if you've been to Mexico to a working ranch where cows and cowboys are treated equally brutally by the ruling decedents of the Conquistadors. Trump is not throwing Mexicans out of the USA because he wants to help them return to their rich and fulfilling lives back in Mexico. Trump has a different goal where citizens of the USA take the jobs that the illegals were doing.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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We are in danjer uv learning the hard way wut happenz wen the Nation'z polisyz colide with reality.

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We should have learned that when bin Laden went from 'dead or alive!' to less than an afterthought, in 8 months. When there were no WMDs to be found. When we bombed countries for humanitarian reasons. When Gitmo wasn't closed. When Snowden told us what our government was doing - to us.

Are you saying all the bullshit, lies, and propaganda were OK up until now? But that now, NOW! it's a problem?

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Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

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I recall that legally laboring in Mexico is far worse than illegally laboring in the USA.

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Cite?
And I have to ask - do you think the US is responsible for the internal policies of Mexico, which is a democracy?

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Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Besides, they've been ignoring the democrats and the chattering class for a while, and both lost any remaining semblance of credibility during the last election, with Hillary as a candidate, and her media-predicted cruise to victory.

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How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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You still harping on that same old story? What's his name, Bernie, lost by millions of votes in the Democratic primary. In the general election he would have looked like a Commie and been annihilated, same as George McGovern was by Nixon, even after Nixon's "secret" plan to win the Vietnam War had achieved nothing for four years. And Watergate.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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I recall that legally laboring in Mexico is far worse than illegally laboring in the USA.

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Cite?
And I have to ask - do you think the US is responsible for the internal policies of Mexico, which is a democracy?

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Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

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Cite my ass. How many times has the USA invaded Mexico? Several. How much land did the USA rob from Mexico? Millions of square miles, you know, all of Texas, California, New Mexico. Having that land part of Mexico would have made Mexico a much different country. The USA violently turned Mexico into what it is today with the self-interested decedents of the Conquistadors running it for their personal benefit. I will tie that into the topic "Is Trump Nuts?" by noting it is nuts to think just because the old wars with Mexico are over, the ugly consequences of losing wars are also over for living Mexicans who never left their country even once for work, legal or illegal, in the USA. (I thank the God of War it's me receiving gas royalty checks rather than a jet setter from Madrid. Remember the Alamo!)

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No, and not the TTIP either but that's because they've kept it a secret. - SIGNY

seeekrrriiiittt! https://ustr.gov/ttip= JO

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The link that you provided shows

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a summary of U.S. objectives, negotiating round and public forum information, T-TIP blog posts, facts sheets, reports, and press releases.

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But no actual. yanno, copies available for analysis. When the TTIP and TTP were being negotiated...

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The European Commission is making the secret Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) trade deal even more secret, introducing a new rule that means politicians can only view the text in a secure 'reading room' in Brussels. ...

It's not just TTIP that is taking such extreme measures. The US-Asia equivalent, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), has a similar super-secure reading room.

Robert Smith, host of the Planet Money podcast on NPR, said: "In Washington DC they love secrecy, but even by Washington standards this amazed me. In the basement of the US capitol, there is a room, a locked soundproof room, and the only people allowed in this room are US senators, and they can't bring their assistants, they can't bring their phones, they can't even take notes in there. Inside this room is not the codes for our nuclear weapons, it's not CIA files, it's not the documents that tell us an alien landed in Roswell. No, in this room is the text of a trade deal."

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ttip-controversy-secret
-trade-deal-can-only-be-read-secure-in-reading-room-in-brussels-10456206.html

Now, you have to realize that a LOT of people had free access to the provisions of both the TTP and the TTIP ...
transnational manufacturers
international banks
tech companies, agrobusiness, and pharma with vested interest in intellectual property

The people who were LEFT OUT? CONGRESSMEN AND MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT, LABOR UNIONS, ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS etc.

YES, IT WAS A SECRET despite your snide comment.

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NAFTA has a lot of problems, mostly economic, on BOTH ends of any trade.- SIGNY

Take away all the partisan noize and you can see the real bad guy. Big corporationz, especially oil, hav been raping & pilajing forever, long befor NAFTA. Capitalizm haz a dark side - its alwayz trying to get away with sum sort uv cheat. Its like this iz wut they teach in bizness skool!

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Then why make it easier for them to screw you over?

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A better idea iz to regulate companyz that do international biz, such az requiring them to pay forin workerz at least haf uv wut American equivelents get. -JO

How do you enforce that? - SIGNY

The simpl way iz to require all payroll recordz to be submitted along with their inkum tax filingz. Naturally, if they are dealing with forin vendorz, it gets much more complicated.- JO

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Actually, it gets impossible. The vendors in this market (Walmart, The Gap, etc) simply "subcontract" to another company in another nation, and let THEM do the exploiting. It's called "the gig economy", haven't you heard? Everyone is paid piecework.

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JO .... WHO has killed more people and destroyed more nations in the past 20 years or so? Us? Or Russia? - SIGNY

US. And yet we are still sumhow the good guyz! - JO-

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Good lord, how is that? Because our intentions are pure?

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A useful way uv looking at it iz that Goverment iz a mob. All goverments. It haz to be the most powerful mob in its own land and it helps if its the most powerful in its rejun. In the case uv the US, Russia and China, that rejun iz the entire planet.

A mob that lets it's rivalz expand or increase their power in any way without at least keeping close attention iz doomed. If therez a way to keep a rival from getting stronger, it iz foolish to not uze it. - JO

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Why is it in OUR interests to keep sway over an entire planet? What do YOU get out of it?

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If the

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1KIKI

Wednesday, March 15, 2017 10:07 AM

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Cite my ass.

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So, no cite. OK. Here's a listing of all of Mexico's 27 wars (not counting the 'war on drugs'), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Mexico including an 8 year war by Spain to reconquer Mexico, and only two wars that involved the US.

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How much land did the USA rob from Mexico?

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I need to point out that the Republic of Texas - which was an entirely independent country not affiliated with the US government at the time, took itself out of Mexico's hands of its own accord. Mexico lost Texas to The Republic of Texas. That happened because at the time, Mexico had very few people settling the area (that was also true of Alta California) and wasn't able to defend the area against the influx of US settlers.

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The USA violently turned Mexico into what it is today with the self-interested decedents of the Conquistadors running it for their personal benefit.

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And, as I see, neither of the US wars involved the US controlling Mexico proper as a subjugated land, or installing governments, or paying tribute.

And for some reason, a Hispanic coworker likes to blame Mexico's problems on the Hapsburgs - but I don't see it. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1861-1865/french-intervention

Anyway, Mexico is still a democracy, and the people still have the choice of voting for a different government if the one they have doesn't suit them. That really is up to them.

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Originally posted by G:
I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Besides, they've been ignoring the democrats and the chattering class for a while, and both lost any remaining semblance of credibility during the last election, with Hillary as a candidate, and her media-predicted cruise to victory.

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Originally posted by second:
You still harping on that same old story? What's his name, Bernie, lost by millions of votes in the Democratic primary. In the general election he would have looked like a Commie and been annihilated, same as George McGovern was by Nixon, even after Nixon's "secret" plan to win the Vietnam War had achieved nothing for four years. And Watergate.

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Trump didn't win, Clinton lost. I'm reposting these - yanno - facts, because you ignored them the first time around. And I put an especially relevant quote in larger font to help you focus on the salient point.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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CBS News exit polls suggest Trump’s win was in large part a repudiation of Hillary Clinton by a substantial number of white voters.
There are also indications that Clinton’s gender was a factor in the outcome.
Among white voters, 57 percent said Trump was not honest and trustworthy while fully 70 percent said the same of Clinton.
In the exit polls, voters were asked whether they strongly favored their candidate, liked their candidate but with reservations, or if they voted because they disliked the other candidate. While 21 percent of Clinton voters said they disliked the other candidates, more – 28 percent – of Trump voters reported that. There appears to have been more people voting against Clinton than against Trump.
It is difficult to say with any certainty, but with razor thin margins in some states, a small number of voters who might have supported Clinton (who voted for either Johnson or Stein) could have altered outcomes in some states.

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CBS News Exit Polls: How Donald Trump won the U.S. presidency

by Stanley Feldman and Melissa Herrmann

Many observers thought this presidential election would be decided by Donald Trump’s polarizing rhetoric, his history of behavior toward women and his questionable qualifications for the office.

Instead, CBS News exit polls suggest Trump’s win was in large part a repudiation of Hillary Clinton by a substantial number of white voters. While Clinton did win big majorities of minority voters, she did not get the level of support from those groups that she needed to overcome her deficit among white voters.

There are also indications that Clinton’s gender was a factor in the outcome. The gender gap was substantial. Trump beat Clinton by 53 percent to 41 percent among men while Clinton won among women by 54 percent to 42 percent. Four years ago, President Obama won 45 percent of men’s votes and Mitt Romney won 44 percent of women’s votes.

More telling is the gender breakdown among white voters: Trump beat Clinton among white women 53 percent to 43 percent. This was close to Romney’s margin in 2012. While Mr. Obama won 35 percent of white, male voters in 2012, Clinton lost to Trump among this group by 63 percent to 31 percent.

As expected, Trump did best among white voters without a college degree, beating Clinton by the enormous margin of 72 percent to 23 percent. Trump also won among white, non-college women 62 to 34 percent and white college-educated men, 54 to 39 percent. Among white voters, Clinton only won among women with a college degree by a 51 to 45 percent margin. Interestingly, among white voters, there is no evidence in the exit poll that income affected the likelihood that they supported Trump.

Clinton needed extremely strong support from African-American voters to try to offset Trump’s margin among whites. She did win 88 percent of the black vote to just 8 percent for Trump. However, this was significantly lower than

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