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The wiretap tweet IS true (update)

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Wednesday, March 8, 2017 11:21 PM

He insisted for weeks his crowds were lager than any other during his inaugural. Now only was this childish but it was a lie.

He said he won the presidential election by the largest margin ever. That's a lie.

For weeks he claimed three million illegals voted and that's why he lost New Hampshire. Not only childish but a lie.

He says Obama wire tapped his phone at Trump Towers. Another lie

He said the crime rates were the highest ever. They are actually the lowest they have been in 40 years. Again a lie

The list is endless Jack. What is it you don't get.

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Ignorant is as ignorant does. You say if there is one thing you know it's money. Why, it's important to make good decisions when dealing with your money, that's why. Do you understand? Ignorance means bad decisions. Bad decisions mean bad consequences or results.= Trump



Says you. That's just more subjective garbage. I've seen a lot of bitching and moaning around here for going on two months. Nothing has changed, and the only people who believe any of the unsubstantiated claims being made are you and the rest of the Never Trumpers.

Sorry you're butt hurt.

Obama sucked for 8 years, but I bitched about it less in 8 years than you've bitched about Trump in less than 2 months.

Bring me some real news and I will consider it. In the mean time, I'm not going to waste my time and energy on opinion pieces from clearly biased sources.



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Thursday, March 9, 2017 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
He insisted for weeks his crowds were lager than any other during his inaugural. Now only was this childish but it was a lie.

He said he won the presidential election by the largest margin ever. That's a lie.

For weeks he claimed three million illegals voted and that's why he lost New Hampshire. Not only childish but a lie.

He says Obama wire tapped his phone at Trump Towers. Another lie

He said the crime rates were the highest ever. They are actually the lowest they have been in 40 years. Again a lie

The list is endless Jack. What is it you don't get.




How has any of that had a single impact on your life?

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Friday, March 10, 2017 5:19 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm posting the Breitbart version in full because it is supposedly THE source of Trump's tweet, however, what was published here was also sourced elsewhere, including in the BBC.

Here is the BBC on the surveillance
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Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.

Full coverage: Trump takes office

Neither Mr Trump nor his associates are named in the Fisa order, which would only cover foreign citizens or foreign entities - in this case the Russian banks. But ultimately, the investigation is looking for transfers of money from Russia to the United States, each one, if proved, a felony offence.

A lawyer- outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case - told me that three of Mr Trump's associates were the subject of the inquiry. "But it's clear this is about Trump," he said.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427


So, is Trump nuts???

No, I don't think so. I think this is full-scale war between the CIA/ deep state and the Trump Administration. Last time this happened, that President wound up dead. I know our gentle friends from outside the USA can't imagine that this could possibly be going on, but yanno... when a world empire is at stake oligarchs will order some crazy shit be done.

The BREITBART VERSION
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Radio host Mark Levin used his Thursday evening show to outline the known steps taken by President Barack Obama’s administration in its last months to undermine Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and, later, his new administration.

Levin called Obama’s effort “police state” tactics, and suggested that Obama’s actions, rather than conspiracy theories about alleged Russian interference in the presidential election to help Trump, should be the target of congressional investigation.

Drawing on sources including the New York Times and the Washington Post, Levin described the case against Obama so far, based on what is already publicly known. The following is an expanded version of that case, including events that Levin did not mention specifically but are important to the overall timeline.

1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reas

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Sunday, March 12, 2017 3:43 AM

??
crickets...
??

That was the server for not just Donald Trump, but the Tower, the campaign, et al.

So Obama/Hilliary and their FBI or CIA performing electronic surveillance on the Presidential campaign during the election. Yet they point fingers at Communist Russia as purportedly being "bad" while they continue to exert Nazi power and tactics.

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Monday, March 13, 2017 2:33 AM

New York Obamabot US Attorney whines that Trump told him in Nov to stay on.
Could this be related to his lying to Trump about not wiretapping Trumps server, with the campaign included? Trying to hide his corruption of electronic surveillance for Bobo? Now that his corruption is exposed, he expects his lies to keep him out of jail?
Or is it something else?

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/attorney-general-seeks-resignations-46-20312
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Monday, March 13, 2017 2:57 AM

As I see it, if those "anonymous" insinuations about Trump's, or his campaign advisors or appointees contacts "with Russia" are based on anything at all, then they were wiretapped.

And if they weren't wiretapped, then the insinuations are baseless.

Hence, the rather carefully circumscribed denials by Obama, Brenner etc ... "not to my knowledge" ... "not Trump or his campaign".

There are no blanket denials of wiretapping, probably the taps were based on something specious, claiming the "real" purpose was to look for "Russians", which I think would actually allow the CIA access.

On a related note, I finally found out what those "mysterious contacts" were between Alfa Bank and the Trump Tower server: Apparently an Alfa Bank server "pinged" the Trump Tower server, but there was no return communication. Now, given the CIA's treasure trove of hacking tools, it's entirely possible that the CIA "pinged" Trump Tower under the guise of Alfa bank, and that those "pings" served as the excuse to tap the server. I wouldn't put it past them, anyway.

These allegations are verging on moronic, and are counting on the ignorance of the American public in order to scare them. This is another one of those far-too-may-smoking-guns, just like the rapidly-shifting excuses for invading Iraq. If you throw so much shit at people, eventually you throw them off-balance.


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

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Monday, March 13, 2017 3:39 AM

But it occurs to me that this shit-slinging - yanno, generating FUD*- is worse than shit-slinging to invade Iraq, because the same techniques to destroy Iraq are being used against our own country.

It's easy to feel complacent even when you KNOW the techniques of destabilizing nations and you see it practiced on other nations. But then, when you see it turned on your own country, that's another thing altogether.

I'll put these thoughts together in the Deep State thread.

* Fear Uncertainty and Doubt

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

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Monday, March 13, 2017 5:44 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But it occurs to me that this shit-slinging - yanno, generating FUD*- is worse than shit-slinging to invade Iraq, because the same techniques to destroy Iraq are being used against our own country.

It's easy to feel complacent even when you KNOW the techniques of destabilizing nations and you see it practiced on other nations. But then, when you see it turned on your own country, that's another thing altogether.

I'll put these thoughts together in the Deep State thread.

* Fear Uncertainty and Doubt

THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

I think most people here are nearly 100% unfamiliar with how the US got and still gets rid of governments around the globe.

Briefly, goes like this (and usually in this order, when a lower step fails they go on to something stronger):
1) corrupt the people in government to sign on to massive loans that can never be paid back, in order to economically dismember the country (this doesn't get rid of the government per se, but it removes any impulse to represent the welfare of the people, and puts them at the mercy of foreign/ international corporate interests);
2) send in the jackals to destabilize and destroy the existing government through intensive disinformation campaigns; paid protesters, proxies and provocateurs; and of course a ready-made replacement government more in tune with US/ corporate interests;
3) assassination, sometimes through small plane crashes (I sometimes wonder why they feared Wellstone so much); and
4) if all else fails, the military option.

But I think even if people got a list of the dozens of times the US did this over the decades, they still couldn't wrap their heads around the reality.

Though yes, indeed, this looks like a typical deep-state campaign to remove a government. Interesting concept.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, March 13, 2017 7:56 AM

I'm checking out the posts here by SIG and 1kiki and all I can think to say is;

MAN YOU GUYS,,, REALLY HATE AMERICA. IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE A SICKNESS.

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Monday, March 13, 2017 9:32 AM

Putting you on ignore again.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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