Poll: Democratic Party less popular than Trump

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SIGNYM

Saturday, March 11, 2017 12:15 PM

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As Democrats were mounting their resistance to President Trump's first major legislative initiative, an overhaul of the Obama-era healthcare law, a new national poll was released by Suffolk University showing that the opposition party had some of the lowest approval ratings.

November 8, 2016, was the ultimate poll, and it saw Democrats lose the House, the Senate, the White House and seats in state houses across the country. But after Trump's first fifty days in office, the latest poll showed there was no rebound for Democrats. Donald Trump, who currently ranks as the most unpopular president in modern American history polled nine points ahead of the Democratic Party. And disapproval of Democrats was four points higher than Republicans.

Adding insult to injury, a new book is trending as Amazon.com's #1 best-seller titled, "Reasons to Vote for Democrats" by Michael Knowles. What is the book about? About 266 pages of blank paper.

"It took a very long time to research this book," Knowles admitted in a Fox News interview. "When I observed their record and reasons to vote for them — on reasons of economics or foreign policy or homeland security or civil rights and so on — I realized it was probably best to just leave all the pages blank."

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/poll-shows-democratic-party-less-pop
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‘Disaster’ Poll Shows Democrats Less Popular Than Trump, GOP Or Media

President Donald Trump may tweet too much, but his approval ratings are higher than those of the media and the opposition Democrats, a new poll has shown. The results are ringing alarm bells among some liberals.

A USA Today/Suffolk University poll, conducted in the first week of March, shows Trump’s approval rating at 47 percent, and his personal favorability at 45 percent. Sixty percent of respondents disapprove of his temper, and 59 percent think he tweets too much.

While USA Today called Trump’s approval “a poor rating by historic standards,” the numbers looked even worse for his opponent in the November 2016 presidential election and the opposition Democratic Party: Hillary Clinton recorded only a 35 percent approval rating, while the Democrats were at 36 percent.

Latest Suffolk poll should be a wake up call to Democrats pic.twitter.com/OyJ1VvhRH8

— James C Mazareas (@Jamie_Maz) March 8, 2017

“This is a disaster. At a time when Donald Trump is the least liked president ever measured at this point in his first term, the Democratic Party has found a way to be even less liked than him. This is how Donald Trump wins a second term,” progressive activist Shaun King wrote in the New York Daily News on Thursday.

The Democratic party “struggles to hear the truth about itself,” King added, and pointed out that most Democrats he spoke with could not tell him what the party stands for.

Last month, the Democrats elected former Labor Secretary Tom Perez as their new National Committee chair. Perez was backed by Clinton and former President Barack Obama, while his principal rival, Rep. Keith Ellison (R-Minnesota) enjoyed the support of the left wing of the party, led by independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.

The party’s poor showing in the Suffolk poll is even more significant when considering that the sample of 1,000 registered voters included 352 Democrats, 330 Republicans and 318 independents.

Broken down by party affiliation, Trump’s approval rating is much higher among Republicans (88 percent) and is higher than disapproval among independents by 2 percentage points. More Democrats (11 percent) approve of Trump than Republicans disapprove (8 percent).

Slightly fewer Democrats (7 percent) and Republicans (86 percent) have a favorable opinion of Trump personally, with independents holding steady at 44 percent.

A whopping 93 percent of Republicans, 61 percent of independents, and even 15 percent of Democrats have an unfavorable view of Hillary Clinton, while slightly more independents (57 percent) disapprove of

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SIGNYM

Saturday, March 11, 2017 12:55 PM

This is not a nyah-nyah-nyah thread: Trump may stink but Democrats are worse

I brought it up because the poll points to some terrible things going on, right here in the good-ole-USofA. But let's look at the numbers

Trump approval 47%
Republicans 88%
Independents 44?%
Democrats 11%

Hillary approval 35%
Disapproval by Republicans 93%
Disapproval by Independents 61%
Disapproval by Democrats 15%

Democratic Party as a whole approval 36%
Disapproval by Independents 57%
Disapproval by Republicans 51%

Percent who believe the press is too hard on Trump 51%
Percent who believe the press is too soft on Trump 6%

First of all, I think the Democratic Party needs to pay some SERIOUS attention as to why it failed and ... despite a cadre of holdover Obama appointees, deep-state necocons, and willing press constantly pushing the BUT RUSSIA! meme ... why it continues to fail. Whatever the DNC is doing, or thinks it's doing, isn't working.

And maybe it's just me, but I don't remember the parties being so polarized before. They're mirror opposites of each other, with hardly any overlap. And furthermore, this tribalism is ENCOURAGED by TPTB. We yell ourselves hoarse every four years, quite often swap out the party in power for the "other one", and get screwed over just as badly. And how is that working out for us?

Just like the great terrorist-infested smoking ruins that we left of six nations in MENA, I'm beginning to think that our election fallout isn't just an accident, but that the my team/ your team tribalism and disunity is not just some sort of accident, but THE GOAL.

And this even while they "oversampled" Democrats, again.

More ...

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
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SIGNYM

Saturday, March 11, 2017 8:25 PM

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Too many smoking guns ... - G

.... And that's exactly why the BUT RUSSIA! meme seems so contrived: Too many smoking guns. But not enough "there" there.

IRAQ AS AN EXAMPLE OF MEDIA-ENABLED GOVERNMENT LYING

How old were you when GWB decided to invade Iraq? Do you recall the rapidly-shifting allegations? NONE of which had any solid proof? I'm sure I've forgotten a few but it went something like

Saddam is a terrible dictator.

He supported terrorism ... and has a "terrorist training camp" complete with an airplane body for terrorists to train as hijackers.

Saddam is linked to al Qaeda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_link_allegat
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Saddam is working to create biological weapons. THIS info brought to us by some dood named "Curveball", handled by the DIA, who turned out to be a total douche
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_%28informant%29

Saddam ... 9-11. This was a bald fabrication, but repeated often.

Centrifuge tubes ... nuclear reprocessing ... The Bomb. And then the metallurgists got a hold of the specs and said ... no, these would never work as nuclear centrifuge tubes, the specs are wrong, these are probably for missile bodies. But most people never saw the dispute, and if they did they didn't understand its importance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_aluminum_tubes

Saddam is attempting to purchase 500 tons of yellowcake. (Yellowcake is the first step in refined uranium). THIS allegation had a signed contract between Iraq and Niger, brought to use by Italian Intelligence and then bounced around by the CIA and DOE, in the press. And then, somebody noticed that some of the signatories' names had been misspelled, one signatory was already out of office by the signature date .... but by then the damage had been done. Nobody understood or believed the importance of that information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries

Saddam was hiding WMD in his palaces.

Then, when Saddam opened up his palaces to UN inspectors (UNMOVIC under Hans Blix) Bush started blaming UNMOVIC for not doing a good job.

"The first sign of a 'smoking gun may be a mushroom cloud."

It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.- Rumsfeld

A more complete list of LIES can be found here ...
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/leadup-iraq-war-timeline

Now, these lies weren't just muttered to us by some conspiracy theorist on a dark street corner, they were brought to us by the mainstream media ... especially the New York Times, and by every level of government - the President, the Vice President, head of the DoD, State Department, CIA, DIA, DOE ... tossed about and discussed as if they were real, serious concerns by establishment think tanks like the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute in an accelerating drumbeat towards creating fear.

BACK TO TODAY AND THE "BUT RUSSIA!" MEME

Did you notice a hit-and-run pattern in the Iraq example? Gosh, where are we seeing that now???

With all of spying capability of the NSA and the CIA, do you REALLY think that anything of importance isn't already known? That important information is "just now" being found?

So why is it that all of the "revelations" are dripped forth, anonymously, as complete hearsay (somebody told somebody) without any attempt at verification? Selective "revelations" of classified material- just enough to insinuate, not enough to analyze? All of the news agencies with exactly the same story ... because they were all told the same thing by the same source, not a result of "investigative reporting"?

We have been lied to so many times .... Vietnam, Panama, Nicaragua, Yugoslavia, Grenada, Ukraine, G

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:21 PM

So, again, this isn't to harp on "Trump versus Hillary" or "republicans versus democrats". The reality is that the two alternatives are totally repugnant to broad swaths of people, and neither "side" has offered a viable choice.

Isn't that extremely primitive tribal thinking, which engages all of our emotions but disables insight?

And who wins from this, anyway?

DT kind of put me onto this train of thought, by pointing out that the extreme polarization/ flame wars occurring here are actually destroying our one common interest, the thing that brought us here to begin with, which is Firefly. I'm sure that we have a lot more in common than that.

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
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SIGNYM

Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:32 PM

So wow, yeah ... Do I see liberals and conservatives willing to put down the broken beer-bottles, pool cues, chairs, and self-righteousness long enough to wonder if they're being "played"?

Yanno, I feel that I have deeply offended enough people on both ends of the political spectrum to have earned recognition as being an equal-opportunity, non-partisan critic. But that's not a good direction.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
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SIGNYM

Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:38 PM

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agree with much of this, and some not so much. There are plenty of people to not trust, but he's our president so this is very important. Plus, Trump is a lying sack of you know what - verifiable, proven, in stone, in the bank and making interest. If he were clean he'd be more helpful and his minions would lie less - neither are happening. So... let's dig in with an independent committee (as independent as possible) and find out if he's clean (one bent farthing says he's dirtier than a pig in slop).

And how is that any different than Hillary, Obama, GWB, and Bill, who were also Presidents or candidates? And it's not like their lies were inconsequential ... they cost us trillions of dollars or hundreds of thousands of jobs or thousands of American lives or hundreds of thousands of other lives. Which is more consequential? Accusing the former President or surveillance, or starting wars of choice?

Let's just assume that they're all lying because, yanno, THEY ARE. Treat them as trolls and stop being diverted from our mutual interests by their fabrications.

What interests do we have in common? How can we get there from here?

I have this image, of people looking over a large map, or perhaps a large diagram together, and saying things like " ...but we need to increase our resources here, so we need to ..." Yanno kind of like our groundwater is handled ... practically and without drama. Why can't WE ... PEOPLE ... manage our own affairs like that?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

SECOND

Sunday, March 12, 2017 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I have this image, of people looking over a large map, or perhaps a large diagram together, and saying things like " ...but we need to increase our resources here, so we need to ..." Yanno kind of like our groundwater is handled ... practically and without drama. Why can't WE ... PEOPLE ... manage our own affairs like that?

I have this image of a town failing and the people don't have sense enough to leave it or to fix it so it does not sink. Like a crew, they go down with their ship because they don't know how the pumps in the engine room work and they won't get into the lifeboats, the two ways to escape their troubles. They stay and become bitter and, until they die, blame faraway Washington DC for problems that could be easily fixed locally by moving to Elsewhere.

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Take the family of a friend of mine, a guy who came from one of those Midwestern cities that sociologists used to descend upon periodically because it was supposed to be so “typical.” It was a middling-sized industrial burg where they made machine tools, auto parts, and so forth. When Reagan took office in 1981, more than half the working population of the city was employed in factories, and most of them were union members. The ethos of the place was working-class, and the city was prosperous, tidy, and liberal, in the old sense of the word.

My friend’s dad was a teacher in the local public schools, a loyal member of the teachers’ union, and a more dedicated liberal than most; not only had he been a staunch supporter of George McGovern, but in the 1980 Democratic primary he had voted for Barbara Jordan, the black U.S. Representative from Texas. My friend, meanwhile, was in those days a high school Republican, a Reagan youth who fancied Adam Smith ties and savored the writing of William F. Buckley. The dad would listen to the son spout off about Milton Friedman and the godliness of free-market capitalism, and he would just shake his head. Someday, kid, you’ll know what a jerk you are.

It was the dad, though, who was eventually converted. These days he votes for the farthest-right Republicans he can find on the ballot. The particular issue that brought him over was abortion. A devout Catholic, my friend’s dad was persuaded in the early nineties that the sanctity of the fetus outweighed all of his other concerns, and from there he gradually accepted the whole pantheon of conservative devil-figures: the elite media and the American Civil Liberties Union, contemptuous of our values; the la-di-da feminists; the idea that Christians are vilely persecuted— right here in the U.S. of A. It doesn’t even bother him, really, when his new hero Bill O’Reilly blasts the teachers’ union as a group that “does not love America.”

His superaverage Midwestern town, meanwhile, has followed the same trajectory. Even as Republican economic policy laid waste to the city’s industries, unions, and neighborhoods, the townsfolk responded by lashing out on cultural issues, eventually winding up with a hard-right Republican congressman, a born-again Christian who campaigned largely on an anti-abortion platform. Today the city looks like a miniature Detroit. And with every bit of economic bad news it seems to get more bitter, more cynical, and more conservative still.

www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kansas-Conservatives-America/dp/080507774X

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, March 12, 2017 12:10 AM

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I have this image of a town failing and the people don't have sense enough to leave it or to fix it so it does not sink. Like a crew, they go down with their ship because they don't know how the pumps in the engine room work and they won't get into the lifeboats. They stay and become bitter and, until they die, blame faraway Washington DC for problems that could be easily fixed locally by moving to Elsewhere.

Not everybody has the vast amounts of resources you have at your disposal. Most of us don't have lifeboats. You make "golden parachute" type of money, so what would you know about anything?

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 12, 2017 12:31 AM

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I have this image of a town failing

Why is it failing? Is it something that can be fixed locally, or is it extrinsic?

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and the people don't have sense enough to leave it or to fix it so it does not sink.

What if they don't have the capability of doing either?

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Like a crew, they go down with their ship because they don't know how the pumps in the engine room work

The people in Buffalo knew that the "engine" of the local economy was steel. It's not lack of knowledge that's the problem.

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and they won't get into the lifeboats

What "lifeboats" are you talking about? Moving to a faraway city without a job waiting for you isn't getting into a lifeboat, it's like jumping off the deck of the Titanic into dark frigid waters without a life-preserver.

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They stay and become bitter and, until they die, blame faraway Washington DC for problems that could be easily fixed locally by moving to Elsewhere.

Wow.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
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Sunday, March 12, 2017 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

Not everybody has the vast amounts of resources you have at your disposal. Most of us don't have lifeboats. You make "golden parachute" type of money, so what would you know about anything?

I deal with a large number of boneheads. They screw over their lives and then say, "But what else could I have done?" My favorite example of boneheadedness is taking jewelry to the pawnshop. I bailed out people who paid back several times more in 12 months than what they initially borrowed and they are still about to lose their bracelet. My next favorite for stupidity is the payday loan. That can run 600% interest per year. Next is getting into pointless arguments with "supervisors" who are only paid a little more than the employee and getting fired. The list goes on and on. Trump cannot fix individual stupidity. Neither can Lt. Governor Dan Patrick. Nor Baytown Mayor . . . well you get the point, I hope.

Damn, I forgot the negligent homicide while driving under the influence. The best I could do about that was posting bail and hiring a good lawyer. There will be jail time but I'm not calling the Governor and ask him to pardon this bonehead. The bonehead, who killed his passenger, voted for TRUMP. I was disappointed, but not surprised.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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