Reboot Rumors?

POSTED BY: DREAMTROVE
UPDATED: Monday, February 27, 2017 08:42
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DREAMTROVE

Monday, February 20, 2017 4:27 AM

So FOX is asking Joss to do a reboot. It seems unlikely that Marvelverse will let him go. Thoughts?

http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/10/14576156/fox-firefly-reboot-joss-whe
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MOOSE

Monday, February 20, 2017 4:51 AM

Is he still involved with Marvel, besides whatever role he has with Agents of SHIELD?

DREAMTROVE

Monday, February 20, 2017 7:44 AM

Not sure. I thought there was another upcoming project, but it doesn't seem that the show would take all of his time.

WISHIMAY

Monday, February 20, 2017 7:55 AM

My problem with a reboot has always been "Where is more conflict?"

The main dangers in the Verse are: Reavers and the Alliance.

Mal dealt the Alliance the biggest blow that a civilian could possibly deal out. We get it, they get it...the Alliance is bad guys. There will always be bad guys as long as there are humans in the equation.

The only thing left would be journalistic pick-aparts of the failings of an insane and morally depraved government like we have now, where is the real interest in more of THAT? The reavers no longer carry the bogeyman status they had at the beginning, either.

What's left? More wars are bores. Finding aliens? I thought that wasn't the point here... Follow the Companions around? Hmmm. That could be fun to watch ... but a show about the social undercurrents just wouldn't have much impact. At some point Joss would have to introduce fantasy magical elements just to keep the attention going, and that would make me sad.

I always liked that the show MEANT SOMETHING. And... SPACESHIPS, yay.

I fear the only story left to tell would not have much to do with space anymore. Not sure where he would more find meaning, either.

DREAMTROVE

Monday, February 20, 2017 10:29 AM

I figure that giant Joss brain would think of something. And sometimes he misses, but then he tries again. Inner planets, living inside the police state, that might be a place we haven't been a lot. far out, living among the reavers, in an actual reaver colony, that might be a thing. Another idea would be a different time setting. Even a young or old mal, Battle of serenity story, or long after the revolution, maybe the alliance crumbles, but blue sun and its spin offs grow more powerful. Firefly: Civil War?

GWEK

Monday, February 20, 2017 8:44 PM

The idea that the story is "over" or even that the Alliance are the villains is a misreading of the Firefly saga (although the simplified depiction that we get in the movie certainly reinforces the idea).

Joss has been quite clear in the past that the Alliance is NOT evil, is NOT the Big Bad, is NOT the Empire. They are a large organization with, ultimately, good intentions, but perhaps improper methods. Although the Alliance produced The Operative, let's not forget that it also produced Simon and Inara.

Whedon has said in interviews that he envisioned a seven-season arc for Firefly, and that the story that we got in the movie would have been Season Two or Season Three, with an evolution leading us to the understanding that Blue Sun is the true Big Bad.

Now, he has also admitted that the arc was very loose and did not have a lot of detail fleshed out yet, but Joss definitely had a much grander plan than what we've seen and neither the Reavers nor the Alliance are the "final boss."

Additionally, although Mal DOES get out the truth about Miranda - so what? Will people care? Many won't. Many will claim it's a fake, conspiracy theorist story. Honestly, the lack of substantial impact is pretty clearly hinted at in LEAVES ON THE WIND and NO POWER IN THE 'VERSE. Mal's main accomplishment: painting a target on his back. His trusted contacts are dead, his enemies know his name, and he is reduced to (literally) stealing toilet paper.

The 'Verse rolls on, and Mal himself is the worst for it. There is still potential for conflict aplenty in the 'Verse.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 3:14 AM

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Whedon has said in interviews that he envisioned a seven-season arc for Firefly, and that the story that we got in the movie would have been Season Two or Season Three, with an evolution leading us to the understanding that Blue Sun is the true Big Bad.

I figured as much, and you're right about Miranda. The Alliance will just declare it a biohazard, so no one can go there, and declare it an accident, and disaster zone, and might ever do a fluff piece with reparations to surviving family members about which there are none.

Getting the word out has no effect. We've all seen it in real life. Orson Scott Card's Peter and Valentine with their message boards would have had no effect on the world of Ender's Game, and that's why they were omitted from the movie: It's clear to us now, as we watch stories unfold online and get buried and denied.

Also, whether the Alliance is evil or not probably has something to do with who is in charge. Blue Sun can't be the only corporation in a star system, it's just the Halliburton, I figure, and there will be others.

That aside, there are other stories not yet told. A reaver population probably can't survive without some other base than psycho raids. There's probably a whole rim culture that's inaccessible because of the reavers. And maybe said rim culture likes it that way. I can see some fringers tolerating or actually supporting the reavers because they were a barrier.

There's also no doubt an inner planet resistance. There are many stories to be told here.

To have the name firefly, you probably need a ship though.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 6:30 AM

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Also, whether the Alliance is evil or not probably has something to do with who is in charge. Blue Sun can't be the only corporation in a star system, it's just the Halliburton, I figure, and there will be others.

Sorry, Alliance is ABSOLUTELY malevolent. Wiping out an entire PLANET because of a few rebels? Evil. Mind control, evil. Unleashing a chemical apocalypse on an unknowing public, whether for good or bad....EVIL. Waging a WAR on people who just don't want your rule, EVIL. Screwing with young girls brains to create assassins, EVIL. I'm sure there others I'm missin' here...

You can rationalize that out all you want, but if you have a moral in you you know any of that is inhuman. Alliance has been pretty immoral for long time.

And before you ask, no, I'm not really patriotic, either...

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:53 AM

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Also, whether the Alliance is evil or not probably has something to do with who is in charge. Blue Sun can't be the only corporation in a star system, it's just the Halliburton, I figure, and there will be others.

Sorry, Alliance is ABSOLUTELY malevolent. Wiping out an entire PLANET because of a few rebels? Evil. Mind control, evil. Unleashing a chemical apocalypse on an unknowing public, whether for good or bad....EVIL. Waging a WAR on people who just don't want your rule, EVIL. Screwing with young girls brains to create assassins, EVIL. I'm sure there others I'm missin' here...

You can rationalize that out all you want, but if you have a moral in you you know any of that is inhuman. Alliance has been pretty immoral for long time.

And before you ask, no, I'm not really patriotic, either...

Weren't me that was saying it wasn't.

But ain't that America.

GWEK

Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:57 PM

Look, I'm not saying the Alliance is perfect, and that there aren't a few bad hombres and some serious mis-steps, but the organization is not, as a whole, evil, and per Joss himself, that interpretation is a mis-read of what Firefly and Serenity represent.

"There is the Alliance, the rule of the Alliance, the Parliament, the rebels, the Browncoats, the Independents, a lot of the Central Planets, the outer Planets. In a way, it should be simple, but I didn't want it to be black and white; I didn't want it to be 'Empire evil, rebels good.' The whole point of the show and the movie is to say that things are not simple, that there is a moral gray area that we all live in that's very clear when we live on the frontier."

In Whedon's eyes, the Alliance is, in fact, a positive force. From Joss' "History of the Universe":

"'Advanced' meant just that: there were enlightened cultures, with respect for all non-aggressive religions beliefs. Literacy levels were at 94%. Average lifespan was 120. Public Service was not the law - it was simply an ingrained part of people's ethos. A pot was totally legal... Such was life on the Central Planets."

But of course, nothing is perfect:

"Things were definitely more peaceful among the Central Planets, but that peace was bought with a price. Nothing resembling totalitarianism, but a certain regulation of existence that would not sit well with some... The Parliament ruled over the people with fairness and intelligence, but also with a strong army and a wary eye toward insurrection. The Military Council worked under the Parliament to deliver swift, effective control of any real unrest among them or their neighbors. And even beyond the knowledge of the Military Council were other bodies, secret bodies... human experimentation. Spies. Assassins. Schemes, secret up to the highest level, to get people to behave. To improve."

To judge the entire Alliance as evil, or even immoral, based on the actions of a few is unfair. Heck, there's even a very strong argument to be made that The Operative isn't evil. Although he does terrible things, he does them for a good cause, and with full understanding that what he's doing is wrong... but, in his mind, necessary.

Interestingly, if we look at Joss's broader plan for Firefly, we see the triangle of Independent-Government-Corporation, with Corporation being the true evil (for the record, I believe both the series and movie imply that it was actually Blue Sun, possibly acting as a government contractor, possibly not, that experiments on River Tam. The blue gloves on the security guards at Mathias's facility appear in the script, but were written out to avoid confusion).

The idea of Independent as Hero, Government as Well-Meaning but Misguided and Corruptible, and Corporation as Evil is a pretty prevalent theme in Whedon's work. Blue Sun is The Rossum Corporation is Wolfram and Hart. In BtVS/Angel, "the Government" is best represented by the Watchers' Council and The Initiative, two organizations who may share our heroes goals, but definitely not their approaches to achieving those goals.

Side note: I believe that if Joss may have used DOLLHOUSE as a bit of an intellectual clearinghouse for ideas he didn't get to use for Firefly. Many of the themes are definitely similar and if you look at the antics Rossum Corp gets up to, it's pretty easy to imagine Blue Sun doing more of the same.

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