Why The Cold War Between Tech CEOs and Trump Is About To Go Nuclear

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Thursday, February 2, 2017 7:13 PM

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Does it sound like a lot of work? YES, IT DOES. Fortunately, I know a few real newshounds as well- two Canadian friends, one who is a retired journalist and who knows everybody including the CNN station chief in a major mideast country, and we belong to an email list where I'm a minor contributor.

Signym, you sound even more qualified as a journalist than Adam Baldwin. You could follow Jayne’s example: write for and be written about at Breitbart. Breitbart workers who have gone to White House include Julia Hahn, Special Assistant to President Donald Trump, and Steve Bannon, White House chief strategist.

www.breitbart.com/author/adam-baldwin/
www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/23/adam-baldwin-quits-twitter-calls-for
-jack-dorseys-resignation/
www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/24/adam-baldwin-could-have-been-the-l
atest-victim-of-the-censorious-left/

I am really excited about the possibility of Signym getting a White House job, once Signym does well at Breitbart. Go for it, Signym! Aim high! The USA needs your deep insights.

THGRRI

Friday, February 3, 2017 4:03 AM

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If you can't trust the source you can't trust what they say.-STUPID
If you TRUST a source ... ANY source ... then you're being unbelievably stupid.

Now, about Zerohedge: Most of their articles are from other sources, with names and websites, or linked to the original source in the post. They are incredibly (small "c") catholic about where they get their news and opinions from: It could be anywhere from Reuters to RT, BBC to Xinhua, Fox News to Huffington Post to International Business Times (IBT).

This is how I handle Zerohedge: I scan their headlines. Most of them are blah-blah-blah about VIX or quadruple crosses or other "insider baseball" about stocks and investments. The few headlines that I find interesting, I GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SOURCE, which is available most of the time, or I DOUBLE CHECK OTHER SOURCES. If I find the article exceptionally interesting and prescient, I make a point of remembering who wrote it, and I start mentally recording their track record: how often did what they say or predict on which topic turn out to be true? Most writers have a bent and an area of expertise. I think I found both Syria Direct (pro-rebel) and Southfront (pro-government) through Zerohedge.

Does it sound like a lot of work? YES, IT DOES. Fortunately, I know a few real newshounds as well- two Canadian friends, one who is a retired journalist and who knows everybody including the CNN station chief in a major mideast country, and we belong to an email list where I'm a minor contributor.

I WISH I COULD JUST SIT DOWN AND READ THE NEWS, but if there's one thing I know, everybody spins the news, EVERYBODY. "Reliable" news organizations like BBC and CNN and MSNBC post just a tiny fraction of the real news, and that tiny fraction is extremely biased. They spin the news just as much as RT or Xinhua or Zerohedge, if not more. So NOBODY just gives you the news, and if you think they do, then you're gullible.
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And if they refuse to give their identities and stand behind what they report, ( zero hedge ) then they are a source you cannot trust.
As I said, most of their stories are from named sources or linked to named sources, and the fact that you don't know that tells me that you don't know Zerohedge, so anything you say about it is bogus.

Ok SIG, first of all what I said was

"If you can't trust the source you can't trust what they say. And if they refuse to give their identities and stand behind what they report, ( zero hedge ) then they are a source you cannot trust." I never added the stupid as you suggest.

Secondly, you are trusting that zero hedge is not changing anything about the stories they are quoting. Like you did by adding stupid to the quote. If they are hiding who they are then they can't be trusted not to do that. And SIG, it has been established that they combine stories to make it appear as though something is going on that is not. JUST AS YOU DO. WHAT THEY SUBMIT AS TRUE AS YOU DO IS NOTHING MORE THAN SUBJECTIVE CRAP!

As always SIG, you are making unintelligent arguments.

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Russia parliament votes 380-3 to decriminalize domestic violence

Russia's parliament voted 380-3 on Friday to decriminalize domestic violence in cases where it does not cause "substantial bodily harm" and does not occur more than once a year.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/27/russian-parliament-decri
miinalizes-domestic-violence/97129912/

SIGNYM

Friday, February 3, 2017 10:10 AM

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Totally wrong of course, again - the same cut-n-paste nonsense pumped back up with hot air and re-posted. You know you have posted that several times before, right?-GSTRING

Yes, I know, but it has not yet sunk in: You can't trust ANY source, and yet.... you still do. Because here is THUGR, still talking about "trusting sources"!

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"If you can't trust the source you can't trust what they say. - THUGR

THUGR, son, try to talk about the media without ever once using the word "trust". Do you suppose that's possible?

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Secondly, you are trusting that zero hedge is not changing anything about the stories they are quoting- THUGR

OMFG

I assume that they DO change things about ANYTHING that they post. That's why I check on interesting stories with other sources! Wow, what will it take for the concept to sink in?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THGRRI

Friday, February 3, 2017 9:29 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Totally wrong of course, again - the same cut-n-paste nonsense pumped back up with hot air and re-posted. You know you have posted that several times before, right?-GSTRING
Yes, I know, but it has not yet sunk in: You can't trust ANY source, and yet.... you still do. Because here is THUGR, still talking about "trusting sources"!

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"If you can't trust the source you can't trust what they say. - THUGR
THUGR, son, try to talk about the media without ever once using the word "trust". Do you suppose that's possible?

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Secondly, you are trusting that zero hedge is not changing anything about the stories they are quoting- THUGR
OMFG

I assume that they DO change things about ANYTHING that they post. That's why I check on interesting stories with other sources! Wow, what will it take for the concept to sink in?

When I say trust, it is that I trust these people are who they say they are. That their reputations are on firm ground, good or bad. Your defense for using zero hedge, is that you find the stories of these people who hide in the dark interesting. Then you post them here and defend them to the point of lunacy. You even admit that they probably change the text of the stories they are quoting. Yet you claim I am the one who is ignorant.

Really?

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Russia parliament votes 380-3 to decriminalize domestic violence

Russia's parliament voted 380-3 on Friday to decriminalize domestic violence in cases where it does not cause "substantial bodily harm" and does not occur more than once a year.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/27/russian-parliament-decri
miinalizes-domestic-violence/97129912/

1KIKI

Saturday, February 4, 2017 9:26 PM

troll.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1KIKI

Saturday, February 4, 2017 10:00 PM

In any case, there are too many news items about tech ceos opposing Trump on the 'travel ban' to think it was just an aberrant zh blip. And there is too much data indicating tech companies hire A LOT of h1b visa holders - and want to hire even more, to think it was just an aberrant zh blip. AND there's too much data indicating that they hire those h1b visa holders BECAUSE THEY CAN PAY THEM SUBSTANTIALLY LESS, to think it was just an aberrant zh blip.

So much for the 'sources' contingent having anything credible to say on the topic.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1KIKI

Saturday, February 4, 2017 10:32 PM

THUGGER

"Simple logic allows me to point out that you are able to list the reporters and editors for Axios. You could do the same for Bloomberg if you wished.

You can not do that with zerohedge."

But I CAN and do follow their links back to the original source to make sure zh is providing an accurate rendition.

I see it as one of zh's pluses - they nearly always provide links back to the original, often back to the original report, video, paper or transcript that most other so-called news sources merely briefly quote, without links.

In general, I consider links back to the original to be THE MOST IMPORTANT indicator of good-faith news reporting. On the flip side, when I find original sources and compare them to so-called news reports about them by the bbc, or nytimes, or wapo - for example - I almost always find significant misrepresentation.

In my experience, the presence links back to the original is a good guarantor of good reporting. While the lack of links back to the original is a good guarantor of bad reporting.

Meanwhile, while zh may or may not accurately predict the future on this topic, their facts were sound. Unlike, well, yours. Mostly because you didn't have any.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

SIGNYM

Friday, March 3, 2017 8:50 PM

California Public University Fires 79 IT Workers; Replaces With H-1B Visa Holders

It seems that a group of 79 recently fired IT workers at the University of California San Francisco, whose jobs have been replaced by H-1B visa holders from India, may have finally found an issue on which they can agree with Trump. According to the University Professional and Technical Employees CWA Local 9119 this mass firing is the first time a public university has offshored American IT jobs. Per ARS Technica:

In a statement sent yesterday, UPTE-CWA says the layoffs could spread, since the HCL contract can be utilized by any of the 10 campuses in the University of California system, the nation's largest public university. "US taxes should be used to create jobs in the US, not in other countries," said Kurt Ho, a systems administrator who was quoted in the union's press release. Ho was required to train his replacement as a condition of getting his severance pay.

Meanwhile, the laid off IT workers from San Francisco, who almost certainly backed Hillary, have suddenly had a change of heart on immigration, at least as it relates to H-1B visa issuance which is primarily utilized to attract IT talent from India.

Ho, who earns about $100,000, told the LA Times that he spent two days training his replacement in a process that UCSF called "knowledge transfer."

"He told me he would go back to India and train his team and would be sending me e-mails with questions," Ho said.

Audrey Hatten-Milholin, who earned $127,000 at her job, says other replacements were around for two weeks. "What was shocking is that the system is so complex there’s no way you can learn it in two weeks," she said.

Thirteen of the workers are considering filing a lawsuit, saying the way they were fired amounts to discrimination, Computerworld reported.

"There’s talk about fixing things, and no [one] has done it yet,” laid-off worker Bizhan Tabatabaian told Computerworld. "And I’m the proof."

Of course, this latest mass firing follows calls from the Trump administration to restrict the H-1B program which Trump described as "neither high-skilled [labor] nor immigration; these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay."

Now, a draft of a new Trump executive order related to the issuance of H-1B visas, viewed by Axios, reportedly directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to consider ways to "make the process of H-1B allocation more efficient and ensure the beneficiaries of the program are the best and the brightest."

While that directive could be accomplished in a variety of ways, one likely solution would be to replace the current lottery system with one that prioritizes visas for those earning the highest salaries. And while such a solution will have wide-ranging impacts on various companies and industries seeking foreign workers, one key takeaway is that it will pit India's large IT-staffing firms against Silicon Valley's tech giants.

MY POSITION ON VISAS#MakeAmericaGreatAgain #Trump2016https://t.co/JGmOd5gr5z pic.twitter.com/OLg6N3Ug9U

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2016

Per the graphic below, large Indian consulting firms are by far the largest users of the H-1B visa program. That said, most of the jobs created by those companies tend to have lower salaries than those created by the likes of Microsoft, Google and Facebook.

MORE AT http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-02/california-public-university-
fires-79-it-workers-replaces-h-1b-visa-holders

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

DREAMTROVE

Saturday, March 4, 2017 12:06 AM

It's already on, they got him to cave on their workers

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, March 4, 2017 12:22 AM

That's pretty much what happened to me. If they can't replace us with robots, they'll just find cheaper labor. Welcome to the new world order.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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