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Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:03 PM

Personally, I saw the US stupidly escalating conflict with Russia ...


I don't know how I could have been any more clear that this was MY PERSONAL OBSERVATION AND OPINION.

What's YOUR excuse for spouting bogus shit as fact?

Originally posted by second:
It is the Bernie lovers, the millions of them who decided they were going to teach that ugly-bitch Hillary a lesson she would never forget once she was back living in the White House. They were not going to vote for her so that they could deeply, permanently hurt her feelings.

Bernie's "We love only you forever" supporters did this ...

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Facts SECOND? Links? Post-polls or exit polls showing Bernie voters swung the electoral college? Of course not. Not from you. NEVER from you.

And 'Bernie' is the scapegoat de jour? Not Comey, 'because ... Putin!', the stupid Constitution with its stupid electoral college, or Wikileaks? Did I forget any of your obsessive rationalizations where you channel the DNC over and over and over?

But what the hell, SECOND. Be an ignorant twit. Bury your nose in the party's butt. In fact, put your whole head up that ass for all I care, if that's what it takes for you to feel all cozy and secure. I really have no interest in you.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Wednesday, January 11, 2017 4:48 PM

US Intelligence: Evidence of Trump-Russia Ties Might Be Credible

If true, the information suggests that Moscow has assembled damaging information — known in espionage circles by the Russian term “kompromat” — that conceivably could be used to coerce Trump.

Oh, and did I mention that the compromising information on Trump supposedly includes evidence of Trump's "personal obsessions and sexual perversion," including "sex parties" in Moscow? Well, consider it mentioned.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/us-intelligence-evidence-trump-
russia-ties-might-be-credible



What you need to know about the Donald Trump “golden showers” intelligence report

Trump is alleged to have engaged in “perverted sexual acts” that were “arranged/monitored” by the Russian intelligence, including hiring prostitutes to urinate on the bed in the Presidential Suite of the Ritz Carlton hotel in Moscow where Obama and his wife had slept during an official visit, out of supposed hatred for them. Trump allegedly engaged in other “unorthodox” behavior in Moscow that Russian officials believe left him open to blackmail, the full report says.

https://qz.com/882677/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-donald-trump-gol
den-showers-intelligence-report-claimed-by-the-russians
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After a great deal of thinking, Trump responded:

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'BuzzFeed Runs Unverifiable Trump-Russia Claims' #FakeNews
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819000924207251456
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FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/818990655418617856

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Wednesday, January 11, 2017 4:50 PM

Obama’s subtle warning to working class Trump voters: You played yourself
www.vox.com/2017/1/10/14233506/obamas-farewell-trump-voters

For one, brief, shining moment Obama stopped being polite and started being real: “If every economic issue is framed as a struggle between a hardworking white middle class and undeserving minorities, then workers of all shades will be left fighting for scraps while the wealthy withdraw further into their private enclaves.”

It does not take a genius to understand who is whom in this parable. Donald Trump, who was born rich and lives in a gold-plated tower, is a wealthy person who can withdraw further into his private enclaves. So is his son-in-law and senior advisor Jared Kushner. So is his billionaire education secretary Betsy DeVos. So is his billionaire commerce secretary Wilbur Ross. So is the Goldman Sachs executive he’s tapped to run the National Economic Council and the Goldman Sachs trader turned hedge fund manager he’s tapped to run the Treasury Department. This crew is laughing all the way to the bank as white working class votes install a new regime based on regressive tax cuts and bank deregulation.

Obama continued: “If we decline to invest in the children of immigrants, just because they don’t look like us, we diminish the prospects of our own children – because those brown kids will represent a larger share of America’s workforce. And our economy doesn’t have to be a zero-sum game. Last year, incomes rose for all races, all age groups, for men and for women.”

What Obama chose not to dwell on, given the tenor of the occasion, is that this broad-based income growth didn’t impress everyone. Older and less-educated white Americans embraced Donald Trump’s story that the country was going to hell in a handbasket, and then as soon as he won they immediately started saying the economy was good again. Actual results in the form of rising incomes weren’t good enough. Trump telling them the good old boys were back on top again was.

Continues at www.vox.com/2017/1/10/14233506/obamas-farewell-trump-voters

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Wednesday, January 11, 2017 5:04 PM

SECOND you've spent your entire time since Hillary lost shifting from one "explanation" to another: Bernie supporters, people being "deplorable", Comey, DNC emails, BUT PUTIN!, the Electoral college, vote hacking ... I can't even begin to remember them all!



You've argued fervently and at GREAT length, and when you fail to get traction with one argument, you'll shift to (once again) to one that's you've already argued several times before.

Your mind is skittering around like a drop of water in a hot pan. In reality, there were multiple reasons why Hillary lost, but I believe the biggest one is that she ran as the "more of the same" candidate, and in the end too many people outside of liberal urban areas simply couldn't stand the thought of "more of the same". Bill Clinton said it best when he wrote "It's the economy, stupid", and Obama forgot that. Numbers like per-capita-GDP and percent unemployed hid the fact that nearly all jobs added under Obama were low-paying, part-time, no benefits, service jobs, and that the vast majority of people saw their economic prospects DEcrease even as wealth inequality went thru the roof. Obama might have successfully shucked and jived liberals into believing that HE wasn't at fault, but that anger about the economy was real, and shifted onto Hillary.



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake


"If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians, even Yankee factory workers in Indiana "- SECOND

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Wednesday, January 11, 2017 5:05 PM

1kiki, like many a funny person, you think that having an opinion, a personal one, keeps you from being insignificant. It will, if a professional comedian can work your ideas into their standup comedy act. Maybe get in touch with Norm McDonald. He could immortalize you on youtube, like he did for an unnamed German starting at 5 minutes into this video:



Personally, I saw the US stupidly escalating conflict with Russia ...
I don't know how I could have been any more clear that this was MY PERSONAL OBSERVATION AND OPINION.

What's YOUR excuse for spouting bogus shit as fact?



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, January 11, 2017 5:26 PM

In crucial ways, Donald Trump is the second coming of George W. Bush.

Tax cuts, big government, and financial regulation — everything old is new again.

Trump has embraced Bushism on financial regulation.

Of particular note is that the proximate cause of the Bush-era collapse of the American economy was his administration’s belief that banks should not really be regulated.

There is more at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/9/14161740/trumponomics-bushono
mics


I do hope it works out better a second time with Trump than with Bush, but consequences for disastrous decisions were not apparent until years after Bush made them. For example, Bush's first term decisions on banks had terrible results mostly in his second term. The same will happen with Trump's bad decisions. If he lasts a single term, Trump will be out of office before that happens, but the USA will be living with the consequences long after Trump is gone, as is true with Bush's worst decisions.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND . . .

You've argued fervently and at GREAT length, and when you fail to get traction with one argument, you'll shift to (once again) to one that's you've already argued several times before.

Your mind is skittering around like a drop of water in a hot pan. In reality, there were multiple reasons why Hillary lost, but I believe the biggest one is that she ran as the "more of the same" candidate, and in the end too many people outside of liberal urban areas simply couldn't stand the thought of "more of the same". Bill Clinton said it best when he wrote "It's the economy, stupid", and Obama forgot that. Numbers like per-capita-GDP and percent unemployed hid the fact that nearly all jobs added under Obama were low-paying, part-time, no benefits, service jobs, and that the vast majority of people saw their economic prospects DEcrease even as wealth inequality went thru the roof. Obama might have successfully shucked and jived liberals into believing that HE wasn't at fault, but that anger about the economy was real, and shifted onto Hillary.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:19 PM

SECOND you've spent your entire time since Hillary lost shifting from one "explanation" to another: Bernie supporters, people being "deplorable", Comey, DNC emails, BUT PUTIN!, the Electoral college, vote hacking ... I can't even begin to remember them all!



You've argued fervently and at GREAT length, and when you fail to get traction with one argument, you'll shift to (once again) to one that's you've already argued several times before.

Your mind is skittering around like a drop of water in a hot pan. In reality, there were multiple reasons why Hillary lost, but I believe the biggest one is that she ran as the "more of the same" candidate, and in the end too many people outside of liberal urban areas simply couldn't stand the thought of "more of the same". Bill Clinton said it best when he wrote "It's the economy, stupid", and Obama forgot that. Numbers like per-capita-GDP and percent unemployed hid the fact that nearly all jobs added under Obama were low-paying, part-time, no benefits, service jobs, and that the vast majority of people saw their economic prospects DEcrease even as wealth inequality went thru the roof. Obama might have successfully shucked and jived liberals into believing that HE wasn't at fault, but that anger about the economy was real, and shifted onto Hillary.



-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake


"If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians, even Yankee factory workers in Indiana "- SECOND

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Thursday, January 12, 2017 6:30 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND you've spent your entire time since Hillary lost shifting from one "explanation" to another: Bernie supporters, people being "deplorable", Comey, DNC emails, BUT PUTIN!, the Electoral college, vote hacking ... I can't even begin to remember them all!

I don't remember mentioning vote hacking. Wasn't that a red herring used by the Republicans? But in science many ideas can be true about the same subject. For example, "Trump is a lying sack of shit" is true. The Confirmation Bias is also a true scientific concept.

The great promise of the Internet was that more information would automatically yield better decisions. The great disappointment is that more information actually yields more possibilities to confirm what you already believed anyway.
www.edge.org/response-detail/27147

In the year of the Trump, what scientific term or concept ought to be more widely known?

This year’s question presented a particular challenge, which scientists writing for a broad audience might not have faced for generations. Namely: to what extent, if any, should your writing acknowledge the dark shadow of recent events? Does the Putinization of the United States render your little pet debates and hobbyhorses irrelevant? Or is the most defiant thing you can do to ignore the unfolding catastrophe, to continue building your intellectual sandcastle even as the tidal wave of populist hatred nears?

In any case, the instructions from Edge were clear: ignore politics. Focus on the eternal. But people interpreted that injunction differently.

One of my first ideas was to write about the Second Law of Thermodynamics, and to muse about how one of humanity’s tragic flaws is to take for granted the gargantuan effort needed to create and maintain even little temporary pockets of order. Again and again, people imagine that, if their local pocket of order isn’t working how they want, then they should smash it to pieces, since while admittedly that might make things even worse, there’s also at least 50/50 odds that they’ll magically improve. In reasoning thus, people fail to appreciate just how exponentially more numerous are the paths downhill, into barbarism and chaos, than are the few paths further up. So thrashing about randomly, with no knowledge or understanding, is statistically certain to make things worse: on this point thermodynamics, common sense, and human history are all in total agreement. The implications of these musings for the present would be left as exercises for the reader.
www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3075

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, January 12, 2017 6:40 PM

There Are Four Sources For Claims of Possible Trump-Russia Blackmail

The BBC's Paul Wood provides yet more detail on allegations that the Russians have possession of blackmail tapes on Donald Trump:

1) Claims about a Russian blackmail tape were made in one of a series of reports written by a former British intelligence agent. As a member of MI6, he had been posted to the UK's embassy in Moscow and now runs a consultancy giving advice on doing business in Russia. He spoke to a number of his old contacts in the FSB, the successor to the KGB, paying some of them for information.

2) ....The former MI6 agent is not the only source for the claim about Russian kompromat on the president-elect. Back in August, a retired spy told me he had been informed of its existence by "the head of an East European intelligence agency".

3) Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file — they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" — in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg — and that the material was "of a sexual nature". The claims of Russian kompromat on Mr Trump were "credible", the CIA believed.

....Last April, the CIA director was shown intelligence that worried him. It was — allegedly — a tape recording of a conversation about money from the Kremlin going into the US presidential campaign.

4) It was passed to the US by an intelligence agency of one of the Baltic States. The CIA cannot act domestically against American citizens so a joint counter-intelligence taskforce was created....A lawyer — outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case — told me that three of Mr Trump's associates were the subject of the inquiry. "But it's clear this is about Trump," he said.

That's four sources, though obviously we don't know if they're all getting their information from the same place. Nor do we know if any of this is true. It might still all be baseless innuendo.

Still, four sources. This Paul Wood fellow is either a world-class crank or a helluva reporter. And we never would have known any of this if BuzzFeed hadn't gone ahead and published that dossier.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/bbcs-paul-wood-there-are-four-s
ources-possible-trump-russia-blackmail

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Friday, January 13, 2017 6:05 PM

Golfweek Exclusive: Can Donald Trump make golf great again?
http://golfweek.com/2017/01/11/golfweek-exclusive-can-donald-trump-mak
e-golf-great-again
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This is one of the best analyses of Trumponomics that I’ve seen. What he can do is shift economic activity around so that a larger share of the population ends up in jobs where they are providing services to the most affluent tier of consumers — the people whose taxes will fall the most under Trump. That means more jobs in places like golf courses, who’ll be eager to hire since laxer Labor Department rules will make it easier for them to offer low pay.

That’s not exactly the coal-and-steel road to prosperity that Trump promised on the campaign trail, but it’s much easier to see how Trump is going to increase structural demand for golf course memberships than for manufactured goods.

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Wages – A Department of Labor regulation, currently under court challenge, would inflate employer costs, if not reversed.

Taxes – There are three bread-and-butter issues: lower marginal tax rates would create more disposable income, the industry’s lifeblood; faster depreciation rates would spur much-needed renovations to courses and facilities; and disaster-relief aid is a big issue, particularly in coastal areas.

Water – A new EPA regulation expanding federal jurisdiction over bodies of water, including on golf courses, almost certainly will be eliminated.

Immigration – The industry would like more, and more timely, H-2B visas for temporary workers.

General tenor – Golf has been an easy punching bag for opportunistic politicians, and that has had real-world implications (e.g., sharp cutbacks in corporate golf). The game could use some unabashed advocates in Washington.

Here is how Trump's tax plan redistributes the money and how much people already have.
Where are you in the ranks of wealth? High? Middle? Or Low?
http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/10/final-numbers-are-trumps-t
ax-plan-huge-windfall-wealthy



https://dqydj.com/net-worth-in-the-united-states-zooming-in-on-the-top
-centiles
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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