Stem-Cells, degenerate Gay Lesbo rights, Abortion, Janet Jackson's boob..what's the problem ??

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JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, November 6, 2004 7:44 AM

some say Gay/Lesbo becomes a slippery slope, morale decay boobs...if you allow you might become worse than French?

Still can't believe these issues became the main part of the election while

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..Stuff like the rising debts in the USA, the mess in Iraq, the jobless rates , medicare costs , bin Ladens terror and N Korea getting Nuclear weapons was ignored as a real issue in politics and the election..

Before you any of you ask

I don't need stem-cells to cure my in-grown toe-nail, I'm not part of the gay fanclub and I don't like Janet Jackson or need to get an abortion

So what's the big deal with stem cells used for medical research ? People like Christopher Reeve and Mrs. Reagan have spoken against the presidents position, people like them very
publicly supported research. Education is clearly associated with opinions on stem cell research with many people from university thinking it is the correct path to take however some evangelicals are strongly against stem cells because of issues of morality while they would strongly support the invasion of iraq, as one person said Stem cell hypocrisy - what about the infertility technique that causes unused embryos to be destroyed or IVF procedures - It is these excess embryos which are frozen and destroyed/discarded. . an election on Morality while many are tortured in Camp X-ray and thousnads are bombed in Iraq
such hypocrisy !!

I've no objection to homosexuals, I wonder why people make it such a big issue, I mean seriously why should we care whether people are gay or not? Then there was Tennessee county where a teacher was famously tried in 1925 for teaching evolution in the Scopes "Monkey Trial" was this time trying to outlaw homosexuality. Remember the chaos at Rhea County where Commissioner J.C. Fugate introduced the measure during a commissioners meeting . "We need to keep them out of here," Fugate said of homosexuals, telling the Associated Press he was reacting to recent headlines featuring same-sex marriages. Before the Bush/Kerry election Voters had said the issue of gay marriage will be a very important factor for them, and it looks like Bush got a lot of votes from Tennessee county, Separation of Church & State is OUT..An election decided on stem cell paranoia and targeting the liberties of gay people

On Abortion - I don't think anyone their right mind is pro-Abortion, people are pro-choice and pro-choise for women. If a womman is ill, or she is raped or incest occurs or there are many other factors such as this involved then I think she should have the right to choose...nobody is really on a pro-Abortion election stance they are pro-choice

Janet Jackson's boob - it happened ! big deal ! Yes indeed it was a big deal for Powell's Son at the FCC and Faux news
Real issues in this election were ignored, the rising cost of fuel , heating and oil, the crisis in Iraq and the missing WMDs in Iraq, the unemployment rates - there have been more jobs lost than in any four years in the US since the Great Depression and sadly a new record with some of the worst deficits ever. Another import new item has surfaced the most wicked and biggest SOBof our times, Osama bin Ldean, is indeed very much alive and well and videotaping in his own personal blockbuster studio again! The Iranians have not agreed to suspend uranium enrichment, the IAEA says there are still doubts concerning Iran's nuclear ambitions including the nature of work on advanced centrifuges and plutonium separation experiments that were kept secret from the agency there are many in Washington who feel Iran is trying to get hold of more weapons such as Nuclear bombs. There a nuclear crisis with North Korea their statements have been often cryptic in the past but sometimes quiet clear...with N.Korea basically saying at times in the past " come on USA, come get us you son-of-bushes, we've got Nukes and we're going to build more" . With North Korea threatening to bolster its atom

SPOOKYJESUS

Saturday, November 6, 2004 5:18 PM

I think that the main thing we saw in the US election is that America is a very big place with a lot of people in it. Some people want one thing. Some people want something else.

Within these groups you have people who are ignorant of the real issues. You've the people who think that there actually were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that the US found them. You've the people who think the Goventment only sent troops to Iraq to secure the oil for US corporations.

The general concensus around the world right now is that American's are dumb. I don't think that this is the case - I think that they're just ignorant of the real issues because their media dominant culture feeds them a lot of second hand information in a lot of ways.

When they then have to make a political choice they have to process all this information so that they can make what they think is the right choice. For most people processing this information into a final decision means making a choice based on what they feel rather than what they know. That's why morality plays such an important role with the things you mention.

Take homosexuality as an example. It's a scientific fact that homosexuality is normal and natural. To put a fine point on it - there are gay animals. But that can be a lot of information to process so rather than someone making a decision based on what they know - they make a decision based on what they feel.

Or to look at it in a different way - alot of people (including people in the US government, so for the average person......) don't know how terrorist cells operate. So they don't know how to feel about the way in which the government fights them. But - Janet Jackson's boob during the super bowl when kids are watching!!! - That's something they know how to feel about and that they have the means to fight.

Real education isn't just about learning new stuff. It's about learning how to process information and, sometimes, about learning a little empathy. So, the real way to get people focused on the problems in America and the World is to educate them in a way that's not forcing them to walk on only one sidewalk of a one way street.

LEAFY

Saturday, November 6, 2004 5:30 PM

Not all Americans are ignorant of the issues, and many are VERY deeply ashamed of how the election turned out.

One article I read said that one of the big reasons people voted for Bush is that he was a churchgoing man. Oh, my. Of all the reasons to vote for a president, that should rate near the bottom of the list.

Bush does not represent ALL the American people. He may represent the country, however badly, but a very large number of us don't claim him as ours. It's an embarrassment.

PROFESSOR

Saturday, November 6, 2004 6:12 PM

There are many reasons why americans are ignorent of the issues, but the main one is that most americans are mentally lazy and don't care.

Most of the people didn't watch the debates (not that they were large sources of factual information, but...). Most people didn't read the canidates web sites. And most of all very few people took the time to check 3rd party information sources.

It takes time and effort to make an informed decision. You needed to read the web sites and realize that each candidate is presenting 1/3rd of the facts, the 1/3rd that supports their position. You needed to watch the presidential debates and realize that they're going out of their way to demonize the opposition. You needed to sort through 4 paragraphs of propaganda to optain one fact and make decisions based on the facts compared to your personal views.

Most people don't do this. So how do most people make their votes? They watch the political ads. "John Kerry wants to kill babies, I'll vote for Bush." "George Bush wants to get rid of my Grandma's social security check, I'll vote for Kerry."

They pick one issue and vote based on that "I like God, Bush likes God, I'll vote for him".

Or they vote straight party. "I'll vote for Kerry cuz I always vote for the democrat"

Most people complain about how all of the political ads are attack ads, that's what they dislike most about any race. But the campaigns run them because people respond to them.

I typically avoid political threads online because they just turn into flame sessions but I talk to alot of people in real life about this stuff. It amazes me how little effort people put into voting. Some people who I've talked to didn't even know what issues they cared about, much less where the canidates stood on the issues.

I hate to limit peoples rights to vote but I would almost be in favor of having some basic tests for voting. You could even publish the tests online ahead of time. If you don't put the effort in to have a basic understanding of what's going on or what the election is about, then you don't get to vote.

I know that'll never happen but it drives me up a wall when uninformed people decide the direction for the country.

anyway, that's my 4 cents worth.

Professor...

MANIACNUMBERONE

Saturday, November 6, 2004 7:49 PM

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Originally posted by Leafy:
Not all Americans are ignorant of the issues, and many are VERY deeply ashamed of how the election turned out.

One article I read said that one of the big reasons people voted for Bush is that he was a churchgoing man. Oh, my. Of all the reasons to vote for a president, that should rate near the bottom of the list.

Bush does not represent ALL the American people. He may represent the country, however badly, but a very large number of us don't claim him as ours. It's an embarrassment.

...and Bush isn't even a {real} religious person. He's a poser. He was a drinker, smoker, womanizer and layabout till just after he was forty. Then he wanted to get into politics, so he became a born-again something or other (presbyterian I think), to enhance his political career, he got married and of course he was so devout that he changed his religion to his wife's religion. (baptist or methodist or some such, I forget which) When asked who his favorite philosopher is, GW replied, "Christ." That's real nice and all and may get those of us who haven't read the Bible, but Christians kniow that the taechings of Christ are not philosophies. that gw thinks they are, shows what he knows.

GUNRUNNER

Saturday, November 6, 2004 8:30 PM

The reason why we haven’t blow the living #$&% out of North Korea or Iran is because they are so conveniently close to several major waterways critical for international trade. At any time Iran could sortie several Surface warships (Several US Built), Aircraft and or Submarines in to the Strait of Hourmez to deploy mines and cut off the flow of oil to the west. You have any idea how hard it is to clear mines when there is the threat of air, land based missile or sub surface attack on the clearing vessels? In a word IMPOSSIBLE.

North Korea is very close to both the Taiwan Strait and Japan. They operate around 40 submarines that could at any time be sent to interdict oil shipments to Japan or cargo ships exporting goods from Japan to the West. If the lights go out in Tokyo the US doesn’t get any cheap VCRs or TVs or Cars ETC. The US will need to divert oil shipments from the US to Japan- and that’s assuming we can delouse the area around several Japanese ports taht can handle VLCCs and can be defended from Sub Surface intrusion. To accomplish this at least two Carrier Battle Groups and several attack subs would need to be deployed to aid the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force in sweeping the east cost of Japan of threats. Do you have any idea what kind of public outcry there would be if the DPRK scored a lucky hit on a Burk Class DDG? Or a Carrier? That little poorly placed bomb on the USS Cole would be a pinprick compared to what a SEAT-60 torpedo can do. Were talking the biggest battle since Leyte Gulf here, don’t get me wrong we’ll whop @$$ but there will be some serous attrition among the ASW forces.

BEENWITHAWARRIORWOMAN

Tuesday, November 9, 2004 3:36 PM

I totally agree. There was nothing of substance in this last election - issues that needed to be addressed were left on the wayside for issues that make better stories (and political friends). Oil's a big one... it'll be a problem long before we run out. As soon as demand > supply, it'll be too expensive to be a solution anymore.

On an unrelated note, I think political forums need a buzzer like in the game "Taboo." Whenever a politician cites morals or religion as the basis for law and legislature, the buzzer just needs to go off. "Sorry. Church and state, dude. Care to try again?"

HERO

Tuesday, November 9, 2004 8:01 PM

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Originally posted by JaynezTown:

So what's the big deal with stem cells used for medical research ?

I've no objection to homosexuals

On Abortion

Janet Jackson's boob

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

-Thomas Jefferson

What do you think ??

I think the bible is pretty clear on each of those issues. But Jefferson is wrong. Common law goes back centuries and often finds its origins is the very Christianity Jefferson is talking about. Even throwing the bible aside the pre-1800 common law that Jefferson is talking about would specifically prohibit abortion, medical experimentation at the expense of life, homosexuality, and lewd conduct.

An example of Common law from a recent issue. Clinton pardons Mark Rich in exchange for money on the eve of Bush taking office. Is this illegal? No. Why? Common law. The President's pardon power can be traced through the ages to the opinion of one Lord Coke who in turn finds its origins in the bible. The Supreme Court agreed and said a pardon could be granted for "any reason" including personal and political. An interesting side note is that the pardon could have been recalled by Bush, but was not. Pardons are not valid when signed (like appointments aka Marbury v. Madison), but are deeds which must be delivered and accepted, with acceptence being an admission of guilt which could give rise to civil liability (both of these come from common law). Rich's pardons could not have been delivered before Bush took office, so had Bush known to do so he could have called the Marshal delivering the documents and turned him around. Funny, but none of the talking heads knew the first thing about pardons back when this was an issue.

H

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Wednesday, November 10, 2004 4:28 AM

Stem Cell Research:
First, I’m a proponent of it.

Second, the President did not ban stem cell research. The president banned the use of federal dollars to fund embryonic stem cell research. This means that embryonic stem cell research can continue funded by state dollars or private dollars. Furthermore stem cell research can be funded by federal dollars if it is using either pre-harvested embryonic stem cells or adult stem cells. There is an ethical knot with the use of human embryos to supply medical research. Anyone concerned with the benefit that stem cell research might some day provide should understand the need to prevent the issue from becoming politically entangled with such a divisive and controversial issue as abortion.

Gay Rights:
The problem with gay marriage is that the American people were basically given an ultimatum. Give up traditional marriage or else. That resulted in a backlash. It was very poor politics on the side of the gay rights activists. They chose to use threats and offensive presentation, when they should have been trying to reach out. They demanded understanding and recognition of their problems, but dismissed a long held and sacred tradition of the American people, and that hurt the gay rights movement far more then it helped.

Abortion:
This will always be a controversial issue.

Janet Jackson’s bood:
This was just rude. And dumb.

FARSCAPEPKWARS

Monday, December 27, 2004 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
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Originally posted by Leafy:
Not all Americans are ignorant of the issues, and many are VERY deeply ashamed of how the election turned out.

One article I read said that one of the big reasons people voted for Bush is that he was a churchgoing man. Oh, my. Of all the reasons to vote for a president, that should rate near the bottom of the list.

Bush does not represent ALL the American people. He may represent the country, however badly, but a very large number of us don't claim him as ours. It's an embarrassment.

...and Bush isn't even a {real} religious person. He's a poser. He was a drinker, smoker, womanizer and layabout till just after he was forty. Then he wanted to get into politics, so he became a born-again something or other (presbyterian I think), to enhance his political career, he got married and of course he was so devout that he changed his religion to his wife's religion. (baptist or methodist or some such, I forget which) When asked who his favorite philosopher is, GW replied, "Christ." That's real nice and all and may get those of us who haven't read the Bible, but Christians kniow that the taechings of Christ are not philosophies. that gw thinks they are, shows what he knows.

sounds nuts

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