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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria

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KPO
Saturday, December 17, 2016 4:13 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Silly me. I thought GUNG-HO CHEERLEADING FOR WAR AND DEVASTATION AND CIVILIAN SLAUGHTER might have been something like: I hope Russia bombs everyone back into the stone age!



Then you're a fool. Warmongers and their cheerleaders always dress up their wars of aggression and indiscriminate slaughter with righteous language like "liberation".


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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

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KPO
Saturday, December 17, 2016 4:26 AM

Russian-backed Hezbollah terrorists fire on Aleppo evacuation convoy, forcing it back - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38345751

Tens of thousands of civilians still trapped inside the rebel-held part of the city, their fate still unclear.

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Saturday, December 17, 2016 10:28 AM

Then you're a fool. Warmongers and their cheerleaders always dress up their wars of aggression and indiscriminate slaughter with righteous language like "liberation".


There are plenty of horror stories coming out of Mosul about life under ISIS. Those people (with the exception of ISIS itself and its supporters) really DO feel liberated, despite the death and ruin around them. And I guarantee you won't object when the US uses the term 'liberated' to describe those people.

Aleppo is the same way.




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Saturday, December 17, 2016 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Then you're a fool. Warmongers and their cheerleaders always dress up their wars of aggression and indiscriminate slaughter with righteous language like "liberation".

There are plenty of horror stories coming out of Mosul about life under ISIS. Those people (with the exception of ISIS itself and its supporters) really DO feel liberated, despite the death and ruin around them. And I guarantee you won't object when the US uses the term 'liberated' to describe those people.

Aleppo is the same way.

Where the hell do you get your news, 1kiki?

The governments of Syria and Russia are presenting a very different picture of the crisis in Aleppo from that portrayed by the UN, as the battle for the city draws to a close:

www.euronews.com/2016/12/13/syrian-and-russian-media-report-on-final-a
leppo-battle
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In Moscow, media quoted praise from Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov for a ‘successful and humane’ Syrian operation to liberate the east of the city.

He was also quoted as saying on Tuesday that militants have produced staged videos showing ‘Russian bombardments’ in Syria.

To illustrate claims that the rebels ruled with a reign of terror, a mother, fleeing with her son, showed injuries on his back to Syrian TV.

“Look at his body! Why are we coming? Why are we coming here? Because we wanted to get rid of them…They would not let us go,” she said.

Russian media also presented images of Aleppo residents “celebrating the impending liberation of their city”.

More than 100,000 civilians were held “hostage” as human shields in Aleppo by “terrorists”, the Russian defence ministry spokesman is quoted as saying by the Tass news agency.

They left for Syrian government-controlled areas, he says, as soon as the opportunity presented itself.



https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russian-media-is-triumphant-in-ale
ppo-as-palmyra-falls-again-56509
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Russia is the only force that’s fighting the “radicals” in Syria, unlike its Western counterparts, which are paralyzed by inaction and indifference to the suffering of Syrian civilians. Not only that, but the West is even sabotaging Russia’s diplomatic efforts at the U.N., and actively aiding terrorists in Syria and Iraq. Also, everyone except Russia is to blame for the loss of Palmyra.

That’s the gist of this Sunday’s flagship news shows on Russian television.

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Saturday, December 17, 2016 12:47 PM

Where the hell do you get your news, 1kiki?

Western media. Where do you get yours?

I'll be really curious how the claimed '250,000' thousand residents trapped in E Aleppo will be made to disappear from our mediated reality. Once areas of the city were liberated, citizen were reported fleeing by 1k and 2k - certainly no mass exodus of hundreds of thousands. And there are merely 10,000 or so left to be freed.

Whatever happened to all those hundreds of thousands? How did they disappear? And why aren't YOU asking about them? You were so full of righteous concern just a few days ago.

Did you forget about that overwhelming human tragedy already? Did your concern last as long as the propaganda you love to listen to was blaring it in your ears - to be forgotten at the next outrage de jour?




How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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KPO
Saturday, December 17, 2016 4:21 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Where the hell do you get your news, 1kiki?

Western media.


Ha. Western blogs that parrot Russian media more like.

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I'll be really curious how the claimed '250,000' thousand residents trapped in E Aleppo will be made to disappear from our mediated reality. Once areas of the city were liberated, citizen were reported fleeing by 1k and 2k - certainly no mass exodus of hundreds of thousands. And there are merely 10,000 or so left to be freed.

Whatever happened to all those hundreds of thousands? How did they disappear?


The ~250,000 figure was from weeks ago, before the Russian/Assad offensive. Since then many tens of thousands have indeed made it out of the warzone. Here's a quote from the Russian MOD, reported by Russian media on Dec 11th, about 50,000 civilians fleeing the fighting in just 2 days:

Over the past 48 hours, up to 50,000 people have been evacuated from eastern Aleppo, Russian Defense Ministry spokesperson Major General Igor Konashenkov has reported.
More than 20,000 residents left eastern Aleppo in the first part of Saturday, and 1,217 militants laid down their weapons,” Konashenkov said.


https://www.rt.com/news/369869-syria-evacuation-civilians-aleppo/

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Whatever happened to all those hundreds of thousands? How did they disappear? And why aren't YOU asking about them? You were so full of righteous concern just a few days ago.

Did you forget about that overwhelming human tragedy already? Did your concern last as long as the propaganda you love to listen to was blaring it in your ears - to be forgotten at the next outrage de jour?


Now let's turn this question around. What happens in 1kiki's mind when a Russian media talking point that she's been loudly parroting gets debunked and contradicted - by none other than the Russian military? My guess is you'll pivot from scoffing at the "supposed tens of thousands" of civilians in east Aleppo, to boasting about how well the cuddly Assad is taking care of them all (and not at all just for the cameras).

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

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Saturday, December 17, 2016 9:38 PM

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There are plenty of horror stories coming out of Mosul about life under ISIS. Those people (with the exception of ISIS itself and its supporters) really DO feel liberated, despite the death and ruin around them. And I guarantee you won't object when the US uses the term 'liberated' to describe those people.

Aleppo is the same way.- 1KIKI

Where the hell do you get your news, 1kiki?- SECOND

The governments of Syria and Russia are presenting a very different picture of the crisis in Aleppo from that portrayed by the UN, as the battle for the city draws to a close- SECONDRATE



And who should know how things are going, the UN? Or Syria and Russia who are, after all, right there in east Aleppo, fighting terrorists and providing aid?

The UN gets its info from the same twisted "activists" that the western press draws from.

Just OOC, SECOND, KRAPO, GSTRING, and THUGR: Have you heard of the UN bragging about its massive aid program for the recently-displaced from east Aleppo? The victims that they were SO concerned about not two short weeks ago? About their food distribution centers, with ethnically-welcome hot soups, bread, fresh-cooked vegetables? Rice and wheat flour "to go" for people to cook their own meals elsewhere? Warm, dry, clean clothes for those who had to leave without? Temporary refugee shelters so peole can get out of the cold and the rain? Field hospitals set up to address war wounds and medical conditions festering from privation?

Who is providing aid? The UN? The USA? The EU?

Of course not. Because they don't give a shit about Syrians.



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"If I could write inflammatory commentary to scorch the eye brows and lashes off Trump, Signym or 1kiki, I would.- SECOND"

Hillary knew all about the Electoral College when she ran for office. All of this after-the-fact bitching is still just an attempt to rewrite history. I guess you're all still in various stages of grief, including anger, denial, and bargaining, all rol

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Saturday, December 17, 2016 9:53 PM

TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT:

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At Least 14 US Coalition Military Officers Captured by Syrian Special Forces in East Aleppo Bunker

DAMASCUS – According to two reports coming out of Aleppo today, at least 14 US Coalition military officers were captured this morning in an East Aleppo bunker by Syrian Special Forces.

This story was quietly leaked by Voltaire.net, who announced, “The Security Council is sitting in private on Friday, December 16, 2016, at 17:00 GMT, while NATO officers were arrested this morning by the Syrian Special Forces in a bunker in East Aleppo.”

Fares Shehabi MP, a prominent Syrian Parliamentarian and head of Aleppo’s Chamber of Commerce published the names of the Coalition officers on his Facebook page on the 15th December (emphasis added):

Mutaz Kanoglu – Turkey
David Scott Winer – USA
David Shlomo Aram – Israel
Muhamad Tamimi – Qatar
Muhamad Ahmad Assabian – Saudi
Abd-el-Menham Fahd al Harij – Saudi
Islam Salam Ezzahran Al Hajlan – Saudi
Ahmed Ben Naoufel Al Darij – Saudi
Muhamad Hassan Al Sabihi – Saudi
Hamad Fahad Al Dousri – Saudi
Amjad Qassem Al Tiraoui – Jordan
Qassem Saad Al Shamry – Saudi
Ayman Qassem Al Thahalbi – Saudi
Mohamed Ech-Chafihi El Idrissi – Moroccan

Listen to Fares Shehabi’s interview on the Sunday Wire radio show: ‘Liberation Aleppo‘

In addition to Voltaire.net, the other original report was provided by Damascus-based Syrian journalist Said Hilal Alcharifi. According to Alcharifi, captured “NATO” officers were from a number of member states including the US, France, Germany and Turkey, as well as Israel. Here is his statement (translated from French):

“Thanks to information received, Syrian authorities discovered the headquarters of high ranking western/NATO officers in the basement of an area in East Aleppo and have captured them alive. Some names have already been given to Syrian journalists, myself included. The nationalities are US, French, British, German, Israeli, Turkish, Saudi, Moroccan, Qatari etc. In light of their nationalities and their rank, I assure you that the Syrian government have a very important catch, which should enable them to direct negotiations with the countries that have tried to destroy them.”

Although these initial reports describe the individuals in question as “NATO” officers, it’s unlikely they would have been carrying NATO colors on a covert operation – and might be more accurately labeled as US Coalition officers. Note that early reports suggest that these are not standard ‘street rebel’ or jihadi terrorists but actual Coalition military personnel and field commanders.

21WIRE have also received unconfirmed reports yesterday that militants had fired a missile into Ramousa area and then tried, unsuccessfully, to get cars out of East Aleppo. It’s possible this incident could be related to today reports of captured western operatives.

This report from the Syrian Arab News Agency (emphasis added):

“The agreement on evacuating militants and weapons from the eastern neighborhoods of Aleppo city has been suspended after terrorist groups breached it, special sources told SANA correspondent in Aleppo.

The sources said that the suspension of the agreement will remain in place until obtaining guarantees that oblige the terrorist groups to abide by all the agreement’s provisions, stressing on the Syrian side’s full adherence to the agreement and its keenness to end the bloodshed and restore security and stability to the entire city of Aleppo.”

Earlier, SANA reporter said that the terrorist groups have breached the agreement as they smuggled heavy weapons, including TOW missiles, heavy machineguns and kidnapped people via the buses and cars transporting terrorists and their families towards the southwestern countryside of Aleppo city.

The reporter added that the terrorist groups fired shells and sniper bullets on the buses and ambulances at al-Ramousseh crossing, noting that the Syrian Arab Red Crescent (SARC) and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) which are superv

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Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:13 AM

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Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:47 AM
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'll be really curious how the claimed '250,000' thousand residents trapped in E Aleppo will be made to disappear from our mediated reality. Once areas of the city were liberated, citizen were reported fleeing by 1k and 2k - certainly no mass exodus of hundreds of thousands. And there are merely 10,000 or so left to be freed.

Whatever happened to all those hundreds of thousands? How did they disappear? And why aren't YOU asking about them? You were so full of righteous concern just a few days ago.

Did you forget about that overwhelming human tragedy already? Did your concern last as long as the propaganda you love to listen to was blaring it in your ears - to be forgotten at the next outrage de jour?

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Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:21 AM
Originally posted by kpo:
Over the past 48 hours, up to 50,000 people have been evacuated from eastern Aleppo, Russian Defense Ministry spokesperson Major General Igor Konashenkov has reported.
More than 20,000 residents left eastern Aleppo in the first part of Saturday, and 1,217 militants laid down their weapons,” Konashenkov said.
https://www.rt.com/news/369869-syria-evacuation-civilians-aleppo/

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Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:47 AM
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Whatever happened to all those hundreds of thousands ? How did they disappear? And why aren't YOU asking about them? You were so full of righteous concern just a few days ago.




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Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:21 AM
Originally posted by kpo:
The ~250,000 figure was from weeks ago, before the Russian/Assad offensive.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleppo_offensive_%28September%E2%80%93Oc
tober_2016%29

The Aleppo offensive of September–October 2016 was the military operation launched in Aleppo in late September 2016 by the Syrian Army aiming to capture all of the remaining rebel-held parts of the city of Aleppo.

More than 250,000 in Eastern Aleppo could die after the next 20 days
November 17
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2016/11/17/more
-than-250000-in-eastern-aleppo-could-die-in-less-than-20-days-if-supplies-dont-arrive/?utm_term=.de1a27664f42


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2412732/aleppo-evacuated-children-rescue
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aleppo evacuation
16th December 2016, 10:07 am
About 8,000 people have left since Thursday (December 15) and there were up to 250,000 civilians - 100,000 of them children - trapped in east Aleppo when it came under siege.



Wiki says the offensive began in October. Cries of 250,000 potential civilian casualties started in November long after the offensive started and - one presumes - long after civilians had already sustained casualties. And that number is still being cited as of yesterday.

I have a genuine concern for, and interest in, the civilians of both Mosul and Aleppo suburb. They were both civilian populations taken hostage by ISIS, under the assumption that they would be human shields. They were both ruled by ISIS with an iron fist. Both areas suffered massive physical damage.

Considering the similarities between the two, I would expect that the ISIS horror stories coming out of Mosul would be echoed by the people of Aleppo suburb. So I'll find similarities, differences, AND WESTERN MEDIA SILENCE ON ALEPPAN LIVES UNDER ISIS, to all be valuable information.

MEANWHILE - where is the US in offering aid to the recently liberated civilians of Aleppo suburb? Where is the UN?

My GUESS, which I'll wait to see if it comes true, is that - once again - the west is using Aleppan civilians for political gain. I suspect any aid offered will be too little, too late, in order to put maximum economic burden on Assad and Russia. Crocodile tears over those poor, poor civilians by the west notwithstanding.





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KPO
Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:40 AM

Some Aleppo civilians kiki thinks are "pleased to be liberated":


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I have a genuine concern for, and interest in, the civilians of both Mosul and Aleppo suburb. They were both civilian populations taken hostage by ISIS, under the assumption that they would be human shields. They were both ruled by ISIS with an iron fist.


You don't have the first clue what you're talking about. There is no ISIS in East Aleppo.

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

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