Interstellar
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Quote:There are serious problems with that "theme". See "Interstellar as Self-Defeating Allegory" http://onlyagame.typepad.com/only_a_game/2014/12/interstellar-as-self-
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The underlying theme that he had to go, and was willing to sacrifice it all, to save his family is what they were going for, obviously. He never wanted to 'abandon' them, but he did want them to survive. Even if he wasn't there to see them.
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In history, thousands of explorers have gone across oceans and died on the other side. Their search for glory and gold justified leaving their families. But the Nolan Brothers think their movie needed much more. That's Hollywood! It needed to END OF THE WORLD so that Cooper can justify his exploring. The Nolans ought not to write the end of the world into their screenplay until they have a specific idea how it ends.
The script could have stayed realistic by having Cooper be one more explorer risking death in the long, long history of mankind. Then there could be some worthwhile drama between Cooper and Murphy. She wants her Daddy to stay and he feels guilty going away to satisfy his curiosity about an alien wormhole.
Cooper's choice is either plow the dirt or go Interstellar. He oughta pick based on what he wants, not that the World's End makes for only one choice – go to the stars to save Murph. And when Cooper sends Murph the secret of anti-gravity that's more than enough for one trip.
That Murph's anti-gravity equation will save the world is too much more. It would be enough if Cooper returns to find Murphy Cooper Station orbiting Saturn.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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This movie was a bit sloppy in it's presentation, Nolan tried to infuse the story with the emotional journey of the father/daughter relationship, throwing into the deep end to see if it would swim. The experiment failed.
To me, generally, it's good when the movie makes your mind wonder and wander a bit of field. Meaning that a good story invokes strong feelings for the characters, that one could easily imagine plots and subplots but ultimately get back to the story at hand - the way a good book does. But this is brief and usually serves the present story. I totally get what you're saying, but the story was so convoluted that it was hard to keep focus on the theme. Each scene should feed the next and build upon itself until we bond with the theme, then, well, sums it all up.
For example, the theme is the house and each brick leads us to the conclusion, in this case that love is the mortar that holds the house together, and we, humans that is, built the original house we are exploring. Nolan got heavily into the human condition and made a serious attempt at combining it with science, but somehow got caught up in the minutiae of both without making the connection and how they affect one another. It was a mess. You correctly point out Anne Hathaway's character had a love interest that we're supposed to believe she loved deeply, but it was thrown in there in a matter-of-fact kind of way. How are we to care with no set up?
It just doesn't work. There was also no set up between Cooper and Hathaway (notice I don't remember her character's name) for us to care at the end that Cooper returns to be with her. Seriously, we're to believe that! The one set up that seemed to work was that of Cooper and Murph (I kind of drew a parallel between Cooper and Murph with The Professor and Hathaway. Did you get that too?) The other scene that had me scratching my head was the one with Matt Damon. What was that?
As an aside, I read online somewhere that Spielberg was initially involved in this project years ago, but it didn't pan out. Anyway, there were some good moments - that young actress (MacKenzie) was the best thing going for this movie, I believed her - but the rest felt pieced together. As though they said, "Hey, let's give Anne a love interest" "Say, that sounds good. That'll tug their heartstrings."
Nolan's writing in Inception was so masterful that this pales in comparison. Maybe that isn't fair, but I expected more from Nolan.
SGG
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:Quote:Clearly they are no where, because they don't exist in the movie's plot. ;)
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?
In my wank, I imagine them having lived on one of the several other possibly habitable worlds the movie didn't visit. Or maybe they even lived on the tidal ocean world, but our hero doesn't see them because they haven't landed yet. Think about it! They get there the slow way, then get smart and figure out how to get their ancestors there quickly, by sending a wormhole back in time.
Hmm. So maybe after the rescued humans get out there, they'll continue their civilization for a bazillion years until their timeline catches up with my fanwank early escape from Earth...
There are paradoxes with this, but for me it's a far more interesting twist of the timeline than the heavy-handed uber-emotional crap the movie went with. I mean, really. The inner structure of a BH and survival of the human race is completely centered on one man's love for his daughter?
Hollywood. P-shah.Quote:I found this to be another plot fail, or maybe I misunderstood the ending. I thought that our hero saw his elderly daughter, then headed back out for a reunion with Anne Hathaway and all the eggs. I got the idea she was w
As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?
As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?
In my fanwank it would happen a long long time in the future. Murphy's satellite environment things would begin to spread farther and farther into the universe and eventually end up encountering aliens.
So the aliens create the black hole now, and then hide for centuries?
Pretty much. If they didn't initiate first contact it's reasonable to believe that they have no intention of doing so.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?
As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?
In my fanwank it would happen a long long time in the future. Murphy's satellite environment things would begin to spread farther and farther into the universe and eventually end up encountering aliens.
So the aliens create the black hole now, and then hide for centuries?
Pretty much. If they didn't initiate first contact it's reasonable to believe that they have no intention of doing so.
Illogical. The premise put forth is that the aliens DO INITIATE FIRST CONTACT by creating the black hole before anything else happens.
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Quote:Are they Vulcan? Spock should logically attach a note to the wormhole telling Earthlings which planet is habitable on the far side of the wormhole. That would be really helpful when Earth is desperate for help.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Illogical. The premise put forth is that the aliens DO INITIATE FIRST CONTACT by creating the black hole before anything else happens.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Pretty much. If they didn't initiate first contact it's reasonable to believe that they have no intention of doing so.
Illogical. The premise put forth is that the aliens DO INITIATE FIRST CONTACT by creating the black hole before anything else happens.
I disagree. Putting something somewhere is not the same as first contact. Otherwise we've initiated first contact with every alien race that ever finds space junk that we made. It's a little different because in this case it's assumed they wanted us to find it, but it's far from communication. They are merely leaving us a means to an end. That doesn't mean they want to sit down and swap stories over coffee.
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*snip*
Pretty much. If they didn't initiate first contact it's reasonable to believe that they have no intention of doing so.
Illogical. The premise put forth is that the aliens DO INITIATE FIRST CONTACT by creating the black hole before anything else happens.
I disagree. Putting something somewhere is not the same as first contact. Otherwise we've initiated first contact with every alien race that ever finds space junk that we made. It's a little different because in this case it's assumed they wanted us to find it, but it's far from communication. They are merely leaving us a means to an end. That doesn't mean they want to sit down and swap stories over coffee.
Wow. That is waaaaay beyond a stretch.
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Quote:Behind Interstellar's mythos of “Flee the Planet” lies a more general mythos of “Science as Salvation”. But the sciences are utterly powerless to provide salvation in Interstellar because its entire premise is based upon aid from unknown beings that McConaughey’s character insists (with a total absence of evidence) are five-dimensional future descendants of humanity. McConaughey ought to have simply called them Gods.
Originally posted by G:
- for some reason I have become less critical of movies in general. Not sure why or when it happened. I think it finally dawned on me that I will never make a film so who am I to criticize? Sometimes I'm just grateful that we have people like Nolan taking these chances and risking utter public failure. That's just me though.
These Gods open the wormhole and construct the tesseract that are the necessary plot devices for saving all of humankind in the story. This actually doesn’t make a lick of sense if you examine it too closely, but setting this aside the whole “Science as salvation” mythos fails if what actually saves you is a deus ex machina, or rather homo ex machina since we are supposed to believe that future descendants of humanity are the godlike aliens in this story.
The film rekindles interest in space travel by suggesting that we’ll need to escape the planet to live after we kill the Earth. It contradicts its own intentions by making such an outcome impossible without a faith in superpowered future post-humans manipulating events like the Greek Gods lowered by a crane into the theatre that gave us the god-in-the-machine metaphor in the first place.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by G:
So get some wine and watch it again.
I'd pass out from the amount of wine it would take to get me to watch this a third time.
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2nd, your contradiction iz based on the idea uv an isolated single time-line universe. Sientists are starting to take the idea uv a multiverse seriously.
Its been a wile sins I watched the movie, but the only objection I recall having wuz that it took a big multistaje rocket to get off Earth, but then the spaseship and lander seem to hav limitless enerjy in spite uv the dialog. Az I recall, the tidal wave world had 1.5x Earth gravity, but the lander took off and escaped anyway.
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