Trump's pro-Putin stance costing him with voters
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UPDATED: Saturday, September 24, 2016 23:14
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You're kidding, right? - SIGNY
You're humorless, right?
Can't tell you how little interest I have in replying to your posts, other than to tell you how little interest I have.-GSTRING
Well, you're such a parody of yourself it's a little hard to tell where your true paranoia ends and your sarcasm begins.
In the meantime, I noticed that -despite your ranting fear of "Russia" lurking in every corner of the globe- you apparently can't even come up with ONE credible Russian threat to the USA. But then, why should you? You're not even American!
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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Yanukovych and Manafort had the same barber - the connection was so obvious it was ridiculous.
You're kidding, right?
Yanno, you haven't even figured out the strategic effect of Trump's proposals. It's actually quite intelligent, and they attempt to reverse Obama's and Hillary's SIGNIFICANT strategic errors. So with that many clues, I'm going to let you think about it for a bit and see if you figure it out.
No Trump is advocating for the changes Putin prays for. He is talking about wiping out our foreign policy strategies in place since WW2. In the last year and a half with the Ukraine, Syrian and other threads, you have shown where your sympathies lie.
Since you don't know what sympathies means; harmony of or agreement( with Russia)
Your current ( I ain't a Russian troll campaign ) is hilarious.
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No Trump is advocating for the changes Putin prays for.
Okay, so let me bitch-slap you with your utter absurdity.
It's a little unclear WHO created our current clusterfuck- mostly Hillary or mostly Obama - but the Obama administration has done what Kissinger warned against:
By militarily threatening both China and Russia at the same time (moving nuclear missiles to the Russian border and "pivot to Asia") Obama has forced Russia and China into each other's arms.
Up until then, for decades we (the USA) had been making nice with China while we attempted to destroy the USSR, and China had been content to profit while the Soviet Union crumbled, and that worked rather well for us, if our goal was world domination.
Initially, the Russian-Chinese rapprochement began with the somewhat frantic reaching out of Russia to China in response to sanctions, a flurry of gas deals, the development of a non-SWIFT payment system, mutual de-dollarization and other rapid but potentially meaningless activities.
It's pretty hard to penetrate Chinese circumspection. Still, one message came through loud and clear: I don't know if you remember, but I posted a signal Chinese change, broadcast on CCTV (English-language Chinese TV) about three years ago, when they promised to make
"allies of friends, friends of neutrals, and to attack our mutual enemies".
I've been waiting to see that statement realized in military and foreign policy, and I see Xi Jinping now trying to make that statement come true:
China just recently offered a true military alliance with Russia and will be sending trainers and troops to Syria (1). Until now, and despite many joint military exercises, China and Russia have been content to operate in roughly parallel modes (China in the South China Sea and Djibouti and Afghanistan and Pakistan, Russia in Crimea and parts of the Mideast and India) so this is intended to go far beyond the random confluence of mutual economic interests and shared territories of concern.
Either this is an extremely (and possibly suicidal) strategy of the USA planners - force China and Russia into a corner and try to destroy them both at the same time - or a serious blunder on the part of the WH. Given that Putin has already threatened the USA with nuclear destruction, I suspect it's just our blowhard-ism creating problems for us again.
*** Trump is actually trying to reverse course: By making nice with Russia and consistently attacking China, it looks as if he would once again attempt to create a wedge between the two.
I'm not sure if that's a real plan or just a reflexive attempt at survival, but it works out in favor of our long-term interests. ***
You see? I'm actually fairly adept at seeing REAL threats to our interests ... not the "hyperventilating" that you keep doing about your imaginary fears.
(1) I don't see China providing much "training" to Syrian troops, or much assistance to Russia. But the Chinese army is relatively undisciplined and not battle-hardened, and I suspect (possibly wrongly) that Syria represents a training opportunity for the Chinese military.
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U.S. intel officials investigate ties between Trump adviser and Kremlin:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trum
p-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html
"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."
Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521
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SIG is posting Russia's point of view AGAIN. There are two undeniable truths about SIG. One is she denies being someone who trolls on behalf of Russia. And two, she trolls on behalf of Russia.
She is very ignorant of actual facts because she is too caught up in propaganda.
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Okay, so let me bitch-slap you with your utter absurdity.
It's a little unclear WHO created our current clusterfuck- mostly Hillary or mostly Obama - but the Obama administration has done what Kissinger warned against: By militarily threatening both China and Russia at the same time (moving nuclear missiles to the Russian border and "pivot to Asia") Obama has forced Russia and China into each other's arms.
Response Me
You quote Kissinger yet you provide no links. Besides, even if he said it Kissinger is only one voice. I am afraid I will need some prof that America threatened Russia and China militarily. When did all this happen?
Besides, much of what brought Russia and China together is the world’s response to the way they are both encroaching on their neighbors. What America is doing is in response to that. We are not threatening to go to war with them. We are trying to stop them from extending their borders through military actions and threats of military action. Russia and China are like two children who know they are wrong so they seek each other’s support.
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Up until then, for decades we (the USA) had been making nice with China while we attempted to destroy the USSR, and China had been content to profit while the Soviet Union crumbled, and that worked rather well for us, if our goal was world domination.
Response Me
Lol, world domination, us, that’s rich. Remember the reset SIG? The United States was trying to embrace and play nice with Russia. It was their rub with the rule of law, and Putin’s vision of reestablishing as much of the Soviet Union as possible that led to a collapse in our relationship. America tried twice to no avail to build a good working relationship with Russia since Bush.
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Initially, the Russian-Chinese rapprochement began with the somewhat frantic reaching out of Russia to China in response to sanctions, a flurry of gas deals, the development of a non-SWIFT payment system, mutual de-dollarization and other rapid but potentially meaningless activities.
Response Me
You’re right, Russia reached out to China in a panic. They guaranteed China a great price on gas. Although since the collapse of the market I’ll bet China is kicking itself. As for their other areas of cooperation, it has to do with better trade deals in a region that is too under populated and lacking in infrastructure to be of much good for a long time to come.
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China just recently offered a true military alliance with Russia and will be sending trainers and troops to Syria.
Response Me
If you read this somewhere then you need to become aware of tabloid journalism. Journalism that emphasizes the sensational in an attempt to sell papers. If China did involve itself in Syria it would be to fight DASH. Not to form an alliance with Russia that didn’t include the United States.
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Either this is an extremely (and possibly suicidal) strategy of the USA planners - force China and Russia into a corner and try to destroy them both at the same time - or a serious blunder on the part of the WH. Given that Putin has already threatened the USA with nuclear destruction, I suspect it's just our blowhard-ism creating problems for us again.
Response Me
First of all, this is nonsense. Except the part about Putin threatening to use nukes. And why would he do this? Because he is afraid and knows in an all-out assault by the United States he is toast.
Still, with you this crap is evidence of what we are doing wrong. Putin and China are not guilty of anything except defending themselves against the diabolical Americans. Isn’t that right comrade? By your own admission Putin threatens to use Nuclear weapons and still you claim we are the blowhards. Lol, that’s precious.
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You see? I'm actually fairly adept at seeing REAL threats to our interests ... not the "hyperventilating" that you keep doing about your imaginary fears.
Response Me
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Why do you keep running away from this thread?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60755
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why do you keep running away from this thread?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60755
I didn't, I am the last one to post there. Here's what I posted.
Well SIG, I guess you are expecting me to argue my points further against the bullshit you just posted. No, it would only beget more bullshit. And there was a reason I said I gleefully looked forward to you presenting a defense of Russia. Lol
I keep telling you that I post to expose you as someone who trolls on behalf of Russia. You posted what you did because you are not very smart. In response to my post you once again give a full throated defense of Russia. Again you attack America’s interests and assertions and promote Russia’s. And again it is obvious you lie, dismiss facts, or question what is said as though it is not a complete statement deserving of an answer from you. In these instances you just pose another question.
It’s pretty damning evidence SIG. Still, it’s nothing new. You have manufactured a defense of Russia so many times, that only others of your sort would suggest you are not constantly misrepresenting the truth when it comes to Russia.
I hope this helps others here understand your criticisms concerning America and our allies. You are anti-American. You don’t post a concern because it is a concern. Instead it is an attack against something you are jealous of. Yanno, you should try and change and replicate what America and other free nations do in Russia. It would be a nice change of pace from your constant lies and bitching.
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Wishful thinking by the media. Understand this - we know the media is the enemy of normal Americans. They don't exactly hide their contempt for Americans - this is no secret. When they feign concern over some actions of someone like Trump it isn't going to be honest. They would happily guide him in to being a cucky globalist freak like Bush because that is not a threat to the Democrat candidate they back. If they say Trump is doing something that hurts *him* what they really mean is something that hurts *them.* Thanks to the alternative media the dinosaur media's ability to pull this off is waning. I would vote for Putin OVER Trump in a heartbeat. I bet he would be more popular here. Having a debate between Putin and Hillary...I'll be in my bunk.... LOL!
People are ready for someone who holds the corrupt accountable. Not more of the same corruption from Hillary who is the queen of corruption.
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This didn't take long to find:
"Poll: Americans Like Vladimir Putin More Than Clinton, Trump"
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/25/poll-americans-like-vladimir-putin-m
ore-than-clinton-trump/
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