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TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!

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Thursday, September 1, 2016 3:29 PM

It's funny how you always bring 2 people into the topic of conversation, regardless of my rather open-ended remark on the stupidity of trump for Prez.

I could say, he drinks milk for lunch, and you would come out with Hilary is
the devil and Putin is way too smart to drink milk for lunch.

Very telling indeed, but I knew that going in. BTW, in history wars have been started for less. Oh, and Putin is the only other motherfucker who has
a bigger ego than Trump......world leader or not. Of course, he's not stupid
he only wants to rule the world, that's all! One day, it could happen, so
you'll be in the high command once he reads your posts here........actually,
he may already have you in his sights.

Just think of it. Putin himself, knows of you. High praise indeed. My guess is that I'll be subjected to bread and water for the duration. And all the king's horses and all the king's men........you know the rest.

Toast, eh! Really! We don't stand a chance against the likes of Mr. Vlad the Impaler, do we!?


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
But with trump as president, watch out, WWIII could easily start with a stupid remark or thoughtless utterance from the SFB-in-Chief.

Putin is too savvy to start a war because someone said something stupid. If he was easily provoked by people throwing shade, we would have been toast a long time ago. And I hope you realize there are safeguards in place to prevent a US 'rogue president' from starting WWIII with an impulsive nuke launch.

CLINTON OTOH will stumble into war with the full support of Congress, the State Department, and the CIA. There is literally nothing standing between her policies and WWIII. Though I suppose with Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria as examples of her excellent judgment, we can rest easy.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Thursday, September 1, 2016 3:46 PM

Trump is talking out of the both sides of his large flapping mouth. He claims that he's going to deport all illegals and yet his organization
recruits and maintains illegal, and under-aged, young girls (some as young as 15 years old) posing as models.

He crowds them into apartments and charges them $1200 - $1400 a month per person, sometimes as much as four to a room. They barely make $8000 a year.
His company instructs them to say that they are here visiting relatives and
they overstay their welcome violating their student and work visas. Fucking
slimy hypocrite. Castration is too good for him, the sleaze! BTW, these
girls work for major fashion houses and the industry feeds into it.

So their not innocent and on the up & up about this at all. Who's making all
the money. The Fucking Rich. Yes, Trump is the perfect man for the job. Like
Kiki and company always say, Hilary she's the devil and the only one that is
corrupt and evil in this latest pop contest.

Yeah, and I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
What does Donald Trump believe? Whatever the last person to talk to him does, apparently.

Trump tends to echo the words of whomever last spoke to him, making direct access to him even more valuable, the people said, requesting anonymity to talk about internal campaign discussions.

Trump’s blithe inconsistencies, and his maddening insistence that the media is just misinterpreting what he said before, make a lot more sense if "Trump tends to echo the words of whomever last spoke to him."

That might mean we’ll never really know what Trump is thinking about immigration — or anything else. It should be treated as a terrifying trait in a possible future president.

The answer to “What’s President Donald Trump doing on immigration?” — a question on which the lives of millions of people hang — might depend on his schedule for the day.
www.vox.com/2016/8/29/12691276/trump-believe-flop-flop

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Thursday, September 1, 2016 4:35 PM

Trump’s passion, however, isn’t for the details of border security or immigration economics. It’s for lurid tales of bloodshed. Yesterday, he opened the speech with long descriptions of a handful of people who’ve been murdered by illegal immigrants, and he closed it with testimonials from relatives of the deceased. Lurid fantasies about avenging these crime victims have dominated much of Trump’s “thinking” about politics ever since he made a splash with paid newspaper ads urging the execution of five young men who turn out to have been falsely accused of murder.
www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/donald-trump-and-the-central-park-
five


A normal person would feel ashamed to have once loudly and publicly advocating for the killing of five people for a crime they didn’t commit. Not Trump. “These young men do not exactly have the pasts of angels,” he wrote at the time. Trump has bragged about punching his music teacher which, I guess, is what the angels do. The one hint of moderation is that he said we should deport Hillary Clinton for unspecified crimes, which is much more restrained than earlier calls to have her locked up or maybe killed.

As a political figure, Trump has always been a race-baiting, fear-mongering demagogue and that’s not going to change. If that’s what you’re looking for in a president, then you’ll love the Trump administration. If you find it off-putting but you’re really into tax cuts, he’ll probably throw you those too.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, September 1, 2016 4:58 PM

The people don't do their homework, well Trump's cadre of followers anyway:

The stats of Immigration:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/video/immigration-by-the-numbers/vi-AAik
IvX?ocid=spartandhp


I agree, it's code for: you have my permission to kill anyone who isn't one of us. He's feeding the beast. He's placing blame on the 'animals' who have
invaded the U.S. The non-white folks who don't belong in this country. His
immigration policy is nothing short of a racial divide, the Wall is merely a
front, an excuse, a façade. The real deal is far more sinister.

Hitler would approve. It's text book.


SGG

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Thursday, September 1, 2016 5:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The people don't do their homework, well Trump's cadre of followers anyway:

The stats of Immigration: . . .

They don't care about statistics. Telling Republicans that the facts don't support their arguments is futile because they are voting what is in their hearts, not facts. That is all the "facts" they need.

How immigration fueled a backlash

Between 1990 and 2014, the share of foreign-born citizens in the United States went from 7.9 percent to 13.9 percent — a near doubling. The last time the share of foreign-born citizens got this high (about 100 years ago), it provoked enough nativist backlash in the 1920s to largely close the borders for four decades, until 1965.

The rising tide of immigration has indeed provoked some backlash, and that backlash has been channeled into the Republican Party. Political scientists Marisa Abrajano and Zoltan L. Hajnal have found that negative views about immigrants contribute to stronger identification with the Republican Party among whites, even controlling for all the usual variables that typically explain partisanship (including ideology). They also found that whites with strong anti-immigration views actually shifted their partisan identification from Democrat to Republican in the late 2000s. These findings are reported in their 2015 book, White Backlash: Immigration, Race, and American Politics.

Some of this, Abrajano and Hajnal argue, is because Republican politicians "have been much more vocal and adamant in their opposition to immigration." Therefore, "the millions of white Americans who feel real anxiety about immigration are drawn to the political party that has promised to ease such concerns."

How race and identity became the central dividing line in American politics
www.vox.com/polyarchy/2016/8/30/12697920/race-dividing-american-politi
cs


Twenty years ago, the United States had bitter partisan politics, and it also had some bitter racial and ethnic conflicts. But those were largely two different kinds of conflicts. Today they’ve merged.

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Friday, September 2, 2016 5:02 AM

A twitter war with Mexico began this afternoon. Trump and the president of Mexico are having a fight because this is apparently how the world works now:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

"Mexico will pay for the wall!"
5:31 AM - 1 Sep 2016

Enrique Peña Nieto @EPN

"Repeating what I told you in person, Mr. Trump: Mexico will never pay for a wall."
2:06 PM - 1 Sep 2016
https://twitter.com/EPN/status/771423919978913792

After meeting President Enrique Peña Nieto, Trump said that he and the president did NOT discuss the question of who would pay for Trump’s proposed wall on the US–Mexican border. Then Trump went to a rally in Phoenix where he delivered a speech about the evils of immigration and reiterated that Mexico WILL pay for the wall.

If Politifact notices, Trump's twitter war will be scored as "Liar, liar, pants on fire." -- www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

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Friday, September 2, 2016 8:00 AM

Come to think of it, I believe you have a point there. These "people" are reacting emotionally, not logically.

As a matter of fact, Republican = Overreaction, knee-jerk response.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The people don't do their homework, well Trump's cadre of followers anyway:

The stats of Immigration: . . .

They don't care about statistics. Telling Republicans that the facts don't support their arguments is futile because they are voting what is in their hearts, not facts. That is all the "facts" they need.

How immigration fueled a backlash

Between 1990 and 2014, the share of foreign-born citizens in the United States went from 7.9 percent to 13.9 percent — a near doubling. The last time the share of foreign-born citizens got this high (about 100 years ago), it provoked enough nativist backlash in the 1920s to largely close the borders for four decades, until 1965.

The rising tide of immigration has indeed provoked some backlash, and that backlash has been channeled into the Republican Party. Political scientists Marisa Abrajano and Zoltan L. Hajnal have found that negative views about immigrants contribute to stronger identification with the Republican Party among whites, even controlling for all the usual variables that typically explain partisanship (including ideology). They also found that whites with strong anti-immigration views actually shifted their partisan identification from Democrat to Republican in the late 2000s. These findings are reported in their 2015 book, White Backlash: Immigration, Race, and American Politics.

Some of this, Abrajano and Hajnal argue, is because Republican politicians "have been much more vocal and adamant in their opposition to immigration." Therefore, "the millions of white Americans who feel real anxiety about immigration are drawn to the political party that has promised to ease such concerns."

How race and identity became the central dividing line in American politics
www.vox.com/polyarchy/2016/8/30/12697920/race-dividing-american-politi
cs


Twenty years ago, the United States had bitter partisan politics, and it also had some bitter racial and ethnic conflicts. But those were largely two different kinds of conflicts. Today they’ve merged.

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Friday, September 2, 2016 8:04 AM

From what I heard, trump insisted on meeting on the day he was to give his
policy speech on immigration. So he knew he would engage in deliberate lying.

Lying Trump. What a dick! Of course, he thinks that his followers will blindly believe him and not Nieto.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
A twitter war with Mexico began this afternoon. Trump and the president of Mexico are having a fight because this is apparently how the world works now:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

"Mexico will pay for the wall!"
5:31 AM - 1 Sep 2016

Enrique Peña Nieto @EPN

"Repeating what I told you in person, Mr. Trump: Mexico will never pay for a wall."
2:06 PM - 1 Sep 2016
https://twitter.com/EPN/status/771423919978913792

After meeting President Enrique Peña Nieto, Trump said that he and the president did NOT discuss the question of who would pay for Trump’s proposed wall on the US–Mexican border. Then Trump went to a rally in Phoenix where he delivered a speech about the evils of immigration and reiterated that Mexico WILL pay for the wall.

If Politifact notices, Trump's twitter war will be scored as "Liar, liar, pants on fire." -- www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

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Friday, September 2, 2016 3:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Lying Trump. What a dick! Of course, he thinks that his followers will blindly believe him and not Nieto.

I saw the article Who’s to Blame for the Rise of Hate Groups? Donald Trump, for One

But I think it is more helpful to understand it as Obama’s existence is at fault for this windstorm and Trump is just the most clever opportunist of all the Republicans who ran in the primaries for President (or the biggest dick, whichever you prefer) who is surfing the waves blown by that Obama storm. A sample from a longer article:

How Obama's election fueled a backlash

Obama's election was widely viewed as a landmark of race relations progress. But looking back, it now seems increasingly clear that his presidency activated a racist backlash.

Political scientist Michael Tesler, for example, has found that "old-fashioned racism returned to white Americans' party identification in the early Obama era because the country elected an African-American president from the Democratic Party." He also found that whites with strong racist attitudes turned much more sharply Republican following Obama's election, including some who had previously been Democrats.

More recently, in a new book, Post-Racial or Most-Racial: Race and Politics in the Obama Era, Tesler documents what he calls "the spillover of radicalization." That is, because of "Barack Obama's omnipresent position as a historic racial figure, and his embodiment of race as the first African-American president," racial attitudes were constantly being activated.

As a result, racial attitudes started to independently predict feelings towards seemingly unrelated issues, like health care. And issues that might not have once been partisan issues, like whether 12 Years a Slave deserved an Oscar for Best Picture, have became deeply partisan.

How race and identity became the central dividing line in American politics
www.vox.com/polyarchy/2016/8/30/12697920/race-dividing-american-politi
cs


At least in Texas, the Republicans were furious that a black man would dare run for President back in 2008. It has been eight years and their anger never cooled down. "Oh, we're not racists; it is Obama's policies that make us mad!" Sure thing, Tex. I believe you. Ha!

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Tuesday, September 6, 2016 2:16 PM

I agree Second, the backlash includes the obstruction by Congress and the like. People don't want him to succeed, not because of politics, that's a distant second compared to race, but because of prejudice. Imagine saying that Trump is a bigot and racist because he is of German descent and that
he must produce his birth certificate to prove he's American. The right
wing media, and Ann Coulter, would have a cow.

Never mind that he's the biggest effing liar in the world, but he's the
most annoying as well. There's so much more to say but I'll limit it to
that. Plus he doesn't have a clue as to what it takes to be president.
He probably actually believes that the president can repeal/abolish the
2nd Amendment. Idiot doesn't begin to describe the total moronic qualities
of one Donald J. Trump.

I'll go one further; here's an article I found online that speaks of his campaign and the so-called media bias he likes to scream about:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/stop-the-false-media-balance-bet
ween-trump-and-clinton/ar-AAigmYr?ocid=spartandhp


Very interesting article. But there's more. This one deals with his "modeling" agency:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/models-at-trumps-agency-worked-
in-us-illegally-report/ar-AAigHcx?ocid=spartandhp


Something wicked this way comes!


SGG




Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Lying Trump. What a dick! Of course, he thinks that his followers will blindly believe him and not Nieto.

I saw the article Who’s to Blame for the Rise of Hate Groups? Donald Trump, for One

But I think it is more helpful to understand it as Obama’s existence is at fault for this windstorm and Trump is just the most clever opportunist of all the Republicans who ran in the primaries for President (or the biggest dick, whichever you prefer) who is surfing the waves blown by that Obama storm. A sample from a longer article:

How Obama's election fueled a backlash

Obama's election was widely viewed as a landmark of race relations progress. But looking back, it now seems increasingly clear that his presidency activated a racist backlash.

Political scientist Michael Tesler, for example, has found that "old-fashioned racism returned to white Americans' party identification in the early Obama era because the country elected an African-American president from the Democratic Party." He also found that whites with strong racist attitudes turned much more sharply Republican following Obama's election, including some who had previously been Democrats.

More recently, in a new book, Post-Racial or Most-Racial: Race and Politics in the Obama Era, Tesler documents what he calls "the spillover of radicalization." That is, because of "Barack Obama's omnipresent position as a historic racial figure, and his embodiment of race as the first African-American president," racial attitudes were constantly being activated.

As a result, racial attitudes started to independently predict feelings towards seemingly unrelated issues, like health care. And issues that might not have once been partisan issues, like whether 12 Years a Slave deserved an Oscar for Best Picture, have became deeply partisan.

How race and identity became the central dividing line in American politics
www.vox.com/polyarchy/2016/8/30/12697920/race-dividing-american-politi
cs


At least in Texas, the Republicans were furious that a black man would dare run for President back in 2008. It has been eight years and their anger never cooled down. "Oh, we're not racists; it is Obama's policies that make us mad!" Sure thing, Tex. I believe you. Ha!

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