TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!
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Good one!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
The value of vague promises
Yanno all of the quotes that I paraphrased??? They weren't "vague promises" they were DESCRIPTIONS OF A PROBLEM.
Try reading with comprehension some time. It might help.
For your first paraphrase "More illegal immigrants than ever before? Check." Google it and you find it is not true.
As for your other paraphrases:
"People pouring into our ..."
"Foreigners laughing at us ..."
"Mexicans coming ..."
These are all true if you can find even one person "pouring" "laughing" or "coming". That makes each of your paraphrases empty of meaning. "Worthless paraphrases."
Your best paraphrase: "Obama having no political record to speak of before running for President? check" is just so untrue. Obama has 8 years in the Illinois Senate and 4 years in the US Senate. I had to look it up because I don't know his past. You could do the same, SignyM.
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Quote:If the election was today, 41.3% would vote for Trump, 9.9% for Johnson. That is a majority for Mr. Terrible and Mr Impossible. I think of it as proof more people should vote in Presidential Primaries so that the future is not dominated by more Trump vs Hillary contests – two not good candidates. I could be wrong. Maybe a much larger primary turnout would not have meant somebody other than Hillary and Trump, but I want to keep that dream.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You know Second, I . . .
SGG
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
I saw a recent article about how America has been a class hierarchy from the arrival of the First Colonists.
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/09/the-original-underclass/4
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I can imagine that the 400 year old class hierarchy originally built on landownership and now on money is why Trump vs Hillary is actually a confused war between the classes in a self-identified “egalitarian” nation. The multibillionaire vs the centimillionaire are promising to reach out and help the lower classes in different ways.
From experience I’ve already decided which political party has Congressmen more likely to bend its President to keep those promises. But Trump won’t bend to his party. I don’t think he believes in promises that must be kept; he thinks he is only selling his personality, not making promises.
I don't even think Trump is a particularly terrible person, because I personally know 3 people who are just like him --- loud-mouths, huge in every dimension and way. But I live in Texas, the Bullshit state, where the tall-tales and the characters are bigger than any other.
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Massive new study debunks a widespread theory for Donald Trump’s success
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/12/a-massive-new-study-deb
unks-a-widespread-theory-for-donald-trumps-success/
While Trump's supporters might be comparatively well off themselves, they come from places where their neighbors endure other forms of hardship. In their communities, white residents are dying younger, and it is harder for young people who grow up poor to get ahead.
The Gallup analysis is the most comprehensive statistical profile of Trump's supporters so far. Jonathan Rothwell, the economist at Gallup who conducted the analysis, sorted the respondents by their Zip code and then compared those findings with a host of other data from a variety of sources. After statistically controlling factors like education, age and gender, Rothwell was able to determine which traits distinguished those who favored Trump from those who did not, even among people who appeared to be similar in other respects. . . .
This research leaves some mysteries unsolved. Something is afflicting the places where Trump's supporters live, but Trump's supporters do not exhibit more severe economic distress than do those who view him unfavorably. Perhaps, Rothwell suggests, Trump's supporters are concerned less about themselves than about how the community's children are faring. Whatever it is, competition from migrant labor or the decline of factory work appear to be inadequate explanations.
Trump is giving his supporters a misleading account of their ills, Rothwell said. "He says they are suffering because of globalization," Rothwell said. "He says they’re suffering because of immigration and a diversifying country, but I can’t find any evidence of that."
Trump's support does come from a place of adversity, though, and Rothwell said Trump's prescriptions -- tariffs on imported goods, restrictions on immigration and mass deportation -- seem disconnected from his voters' real problems.
"I don’t see how any of those things would help with their health problems, with the lack of intergenerational mobility," Rothwell said.
Health
As The Post reported in March, the counties that supported Donald Trump in the GOP primaries were the same counties where middle-aged whites suffer from abnormally high death rates. Rothwell's report confirmed this connection, and expanded on it.
Among Americans who were similar in terms of income, age, education, and other factors, those who lived in places where people were less healthy had more favorable views of Trump. In these communities, whites are dying faster, there is more obesity, and people report more health problems. Again, this pattern held when Rothwell focused on white respondents only and on white Republicans specifically.
In other words, between two people who earn the same amount of money and have the same amount of schooling, the person who comes from a place with bad health is more likely to support Trump. It's hard to say what is causing this bad health, but at least some of this likely has roots in cultural practices — diet and exercise habits, patterns of drinking and smoking, and so on.
It’s unclear what’s going on here, but it’s not a recent phenomenon. Economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton recently documented startling increases in the middle-aged white death rate in the past decade, but Rothwell finds that people's support for Trump didn't seem to be affected by changes in the white death rate where they lived. The places where Trump is popular are places where people have been unhealthy for a long time.
Opportunity
Children raised in places with low economic mobility, like Raleigh and Indianapolis, struggled just to do as well as their parents in adulthood. Trump was especially popular in these parts of the country.
Why does Trump’s message resonate the most in these low-mobility areas? The data do not provide a clear answer.
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SECOND, KPO and G:
Anand Giridharadas just gave a speech at TED TALKS that is going to be available Tuesday the 16th. It is an apology to many Americans who feel left behind. If I can when it airs I will post a link. I am giving a link to Morning Joe so you can see the importance of what he says. His segment is titled " If Trump loses, what happens to his message?"
Finally we hear the topic start to turn away from a movement based on racism, to a topic giving voice to the concerns of the middle class.
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
The value of vague promises
Yanno all of the quotes that I paraphrased??? They weren't "vague promises" they were DESCRIPTIONS OF A PROBLEM.
Try reading with comprehension some time. It might help.
Thing is, you flat-out LIED about all of them when you said "check" on them. It's bullshit, pure and simple, and you're falling for Trump's particular brand of it because of your rampant xenophobia and your latent white supremacy.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Yes, yes, Drumpf knows what the problems are, as he revealed in an interview:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
They weren't "vague promises" they were DESCRIPTIONS OF A PROBLEM.
Donald Drumpf, Insisting He Won’t Change His Style, Repeats Claim Obama Founded ISIS
www.nytimes.com/2016/08/12/us/politics/donald-trump-obama-isis.html
Donald J. Drumpf said Thursday that he intended to stick by his unorthodox campaign style, even if it meant taking “a very, very nice long vacation” after Nov. 8.
In interviews on Thursday morning, Mr. Drumpf sounded an uncharacteristically fatalistic note, acknowledging the possibility he could be defeated on Election Day.
Mr. Drumpf pledged on CNBC to “just keep doing the same thing I’m doing right now,” adding that he was the only presidential candidate who tells things “straight” and is “a truth-teller.”
“At the end, it’s either going to work or I’m going to, you know, I’m going to have a very, very nice long vacation,” he added.
It was a rare instance in which Mr. Drumpf has conceded that his approach might not work.
Mr. Drumpf also defended his portrayal of the president as a “founder” of ISIS, despite criticism that the claim was both inaccurate and inflammatory.
In an interview with the conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, Mr. Drumpf was given an opportunity to explain that he meant the claim only theoretically. But Mr. Drumpf would not budge.
“You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace,” Mr. Hewitt suggested, leaving Mr. Drumpf an opening.
“No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS. I do,” Mr. Drumpf said. “He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.”
It's funny - he was rather insistent on this point, reiterating time and time again, to anyone within earshot, that Obama founded ISIS, even claiming that he met with people in a room to found the group.
And then, when virtually the entire world (except the gullible morons and Republicans who support him - but that's redundant) called bullshit on his idiotic claims, and when even a sham news source like CNN was able to pull up video of Trump in 2007 calling Bush the founder of ISIS...
...he suddenly backtracked, flip-flopped, and started calling people stupid for not knowing that he "was being sarcastic."
And none of that will stop people like Signym or Auraptor from voting for him or claiming that he's right. Authoritarians are never interested in the truth, or in reality; they only want someone to tell them what the problems are and insist that they and they alone can fix them. Of course people like Signym love fascists. After all, Mussolini made the trains run on time, right? ;)
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Trump as Pygmalion: The Mission to Tame Trump’s Tongue
www.staradvertiser.com/nyt/the-failing-inside-mission-to-tame-trumps-t
ongue/
Joined by his daughter Ivanka and her husband, Jared Kushner, a cluster of Trump’s confidants pleaded with him to make that day — June 20 — a turning point.
He would have to stick to a teleprompter and end his freestyle digressions and insults, like his repeated attacks on a Hispanic federal judge. Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign chairman, and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey argued that Trump had an effective message, if only he would deliver it. For now, the campaign’s polling showed, too many voters described him in two words: “unqualified” and “racist.”
Trump bowed to his team’s entreaties, according to four people with detailed knowledge of the meeting, who described it on the condition of anonymity. It was time, he agreed, to get on track.
Nearly two months later, the effort to save Trump from himself has plainly failed. He has repeatedly signaled to his advisers and allies his willingness to change and adapt, but has grown only more volatile and prone to provocation since then, clashing with a Gold Star family, making comments that have been seen as inciting violence and linking his political opponents to terrorism.
Advisers who once hoped a Pygmalion-like transformation would refashion a crudely effective political showman into a plausible American president now increasingly concede that Trump may be beyond coaching.
In private, Trump’s mood is often sullen and erratic, his associates say. He veers from barking at members of his staff to grumbling about how he was better off following his own instincts during the primaries and suggesting he should not have heeded their calls for change.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Yes, thanks to the downturn, there are slightly fewer Hispanics here than a few years ago, but thanks to the Chinese crackdown on corruption more mainland Chinese.
Yanno all of the quotes that I paraphrased??? They weren't "vague promises" they were DESCRIPTIONS OF A PROBLEM. Try reading with comprehension some time. It might help.- SIGNY
For your first paraphrase "More illegal immigrants than ever before? Check." Google it and you find it is not true.= SECONDRATE
After steady increases from 1980 at 3.5 million, numbers rose to 12.2 million in approx 2008. It's now 11.3 million, a SLIGHT decrease since then. Overall, the illegal immigrant population has increased by a factor of approx four since Reagan's amnesty. I would consider that basically "more than ever before", since it hasn't decreased since 2010.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/22/unauthorized-immigrant
-population-stable-for-half-a-decade/
Quote:They are.
As for your other paraphrases:
"People pouring into our ..."
Quote:They do.
"Foreigners laughing at us ..."
Quote:They do.
"Mexicans coming ..."
Quote:I have. In fact, I have spoken to an illegal immigrant who thinks that USA policy is "stupid" (her word, not mine) with regards to people like her. In fact, she was quite detailed about all of the stupid things that the USA does. Next?
These are all true if you can find even one person "pouring" "laughing" or "coming". That makes each of your paraphrases empty of meaning. "Worthless paraphrases."
Quote:So, do you recall any significant votes that he made, any strong positions that he took, any significant bills that he introduced?
Your best paraphrase: "Obama having no political record to speak of before running for President? check" is just so untrue. Obama has 8 years in the Illinois Senate and 4 years in the US Senate. I had to look it up because I don't know his past. You could do the same, SignyM.
Yeah, me neither. There was much discussion of his record in 2008, and it was very thin. He left only faint trace in any of his terms in office, and his term in the US Senate was marked by a overall high absenteeism of 24%. http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/oct/28/marco-rubio/w
hen-attacked-missed-votes-marco-rubio-calls-out-b/
For comparison ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/02/18/congresss-bi
ggest-vote-missers-in-2-charts/
http://www.vocativ.com/usa/us-politics/congress-absenteeism/
In fact, Obama made only ONE important vote, which was whether or not to fund use of force in Iraq. He voted "no". The reason why people voted for Saint Obama was partly because he was black and raised outside of the USA people really DID expect him to be different! And, Obama voted "no" and Hillary voted "yes".
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Quote:Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg noted at one point that there are 11.3 million undocumented aliens in the country and Congress has provided funds for removing about 4 million. "So inevitably, priorities have to be set," she said. www.cnn.com/2016/04/18/politics/supreme-court-immigration-executive-ac
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In fact, I have spoken to an illegal immigrant who thinks that USA policy is "stupid" (her word, not mine) with regards to people like her.
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One of the purposes of removing illegals, if you're Trump, is to create jobs for citizens, who will take the jobs the illegals are working. If Republicans really want illegals out of the country, then Republicans in Congress need to pay for their removal. Obama's salary isn't large enough to pay those costs. Congress either pays or else it won't happen. But, you know, they don't want to pay and they don't really want the illegals out.
What are the illegals doing with their days in the USA? Almost none are office workers. They do this: Baytown, controlled by a Republican government, is replacing sanitary sewer mains. That is 54" lines down to 10" with 4" lateral lines to each house. It is hot, dirty, smelly manual labor in sewage filled pits, manholes, and backyards. I can't prove all sewer workers are illegal, but I can prove they all speak Spanish, except bosses who are citizens of Texas. Now how did that happen unless the Republicans running Baytown wanted that to happen? The corollary is how did it happen that nearly all cotton pickers in Texas were slaves in 1860? Why were few citizens of Texas doing that work? There was talk about citizens picking the cotton and sending all the unemployed slaves back to Africa, kind of like talk of sending illegals back to Latin America, but plantation owners did not want to pay a living wage to Texas citizens. The plantations wanted a labor force that would take a barely living wage, paid in food only.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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So, what are you saying, SECOND?
That "we" should allow or even encourage the presence of illegal immigrants because Republican businessmen want to exploit them?
Whose side are you on?
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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