Trump's pro-Putin stance costing him with voters

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KPO

Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:01 PM

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The Pennsylvania numbers provide more evidence of how much trouble Trump's attitude towards Russia could hurt him. Vladimir Putin has an 8/70 favorability rating with Pennsylvanians, and Russia as a whole comes in at 12/54. By a 43 point margin voters say they're less likely to vote for a candidate if it's perceived Russia is interfering with the election to try to help them, and by a 23 point margin they say they're less likely to vote for a candidate seen as being friendly toward Russia.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/08/clinton-has-narrow-lea
d-in-pennsylvania.html

And this is in key swing state Pennsylvania. Ouch.

KPO

Friday, August 5, 2016 6:08 PM

Donald Trump's Top Ten Giveaways to Vladimir Putin:

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The number of pro-Putin positions that Donald Trump has taken has assumed quite remarkable proportions. He:

1. Wants to reduce America's commitment to NATO and reorient its activities to the Middle East. This is perhaps Vladmir Putin's greatest foreign policy desire.

2. Says America has no moral standing to complain about human and civil rights violations.

3. Welcomed Russia's incursion into Syria.

4. Considers Putin a great leader.

5. Would consider eliminating sanctions against Russia and recognizing their annexation of Crimea.

6. Wants to weaken American ties to its allies by insisting that he will walk away from them unless they pay us more for our military protection.

7. Never mentions Russia in his otherwise endless litany of countries that are taking advantage of us.

8. Opposes sending arms to Ukraine.

9. Is pro-Brexit.

10. Isn't sure he would defend the Baltics if Russia attacked them.

Have I missed anything? I probably have. It's hard to keep track.

Most of these are defensible positions on their own. I don't support sending arms to Ukraine, for example. Plenty of conservatives are pro-Brexit. And plenty of lefties would like to see us reduce our military footprint worldwide.

But even if you personally agree with an item or three on this list, the whole thing adds up to something unprecedented for an American candidate for president. Donald Trump considers America at odds with virtually the entire world. He's based his entire campaign on this. At various times he's mentioned China, Mexico, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Germany, France, and the entire Pacific Rim. But never Russia. On the contrary, his list of positions toward Russia is basically Vladimir Putin's dream foreign policy. For a guy suffering under crippling sanctions, a tanking economy, low oil prices, and a demographic time bomb, Donald Trump is offering him everything he could possibly want. And what does Trump want in return? For Russia—and only for Russia—he wants nothing.

As much as I loathe Putin, I'm not among those who now think Mitt Romney was right when he listed Russia as our #1 geopolitical threat. Conservative fearmongering on the subject leaves me cold. Nonetheless, this list is not a coincidence. There's something behind the scenes guiding it. But what?

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/07/donald-trumps-top-ten-gi
veaways-vladimir-putin

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SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, August 6, 2016 3:34 AM

His greatest opponent is not Hillary, but his Yuge Ego! He's allowed himself to think that Putin really means it when he showers Trump with praise. Meanwhile, you can't pull the wool over everyone's eyes, no matter what you
say about the media being biased. Especially when it comes from your own mouth.

He punctures holes in his own campaign by his words and deeds. Imagine a politician kicking a baby out of a rally, not in the very least good. He professes his admiration for Putin, he claims to have met him, then he flip-flops and says he never met him. He stiffs American workers, puts people on
the unemployment line, uses illegal immigrants and bashes women, Hispanics and Muslims. Anyone left to vote for him, oh yeah, old white dudes and the poorly educated.

Even the rich donor class thinks he's an idiot. One such donor said, "he can't keep his big f*cking mouth shut." The RNC is looking for a way to legally oust and replace him with their own pick. Putin is just the tip of
the iceberg.

SGG

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Originally posted by kpo:
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The Pennsylvania numbers provide more evidence of how much trouble Trump's attitude towards Russia could hurt him. Vladimir Putin has an 8/70 favorability rating with Pennsylvanians, and Russia as a whole comes in at 12/54. By a 43 point margin voters say they're less likely to vote for a candidate if it's perceived Russia is interfering with the election to try to help them, and by a 23 point margin they say they're less likely to vote for a candidate seen as being friendly toward Russia.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/08/clinton-has-narrow-lea
d-in-pennsylvania.html

And this is in key swing state Pennsylvania. Ouch.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 6, 2016 6:27 PM

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The number of pro-Putin positions that Donald Trump has taken has assumed quite remarkable proportions. He:

1. Wants to reduce America's commitment to NATO and reorient its activities to the Middle East. This is perhaps Vladmir Putin's greatest foreign policy desire.

2. Says America has no moral standing to complain about human and civil rights violations.

3. Welcomed Russia's incursion into Syria.

4. Considers Putin a great leader.

5. Would consider eliminating sanctions against Russia and recognizing their annexation of Crimea.

6. Wants to weaken American ties to its allies by insisting that he will walk away from them unless they pay us more for our military protection.

7. Never mentions Russia in his otherwise endless litany of countries that are taking advantage of us.

8. Opposes sending arms to Ukraine.

9. Is pro-Brexit.

10. Isn't sure he would defend the Baltics if Russia attacked them.

Have I missed anything? I probably have. It's hard to keep track.

Most of these are defensible positions on their own.

So, what's the problem? I went thru these one-by-one, and only came up with a few quibbles.

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I don't support sending arms to Ukraine, for example. Plenty of conservatives are pro-Brexit. And plenty of lefties would like to see us reduce our military footprint worldwide. But even if you personally agree with an item or three

Just OOC, how many do you agree with? Please detail which ones you disagree with, and why.

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on this list, the whole thing adds up to something unprecedented for an American candidate for president.

Which is...

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Donald Trump considers America at odds with virtually the entire world. He's based his entire campaign on this. At various times he's mentioned China, Mexico, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Germany, France, and the entire Pacific Rim.

Well, in many important ways we ARE at odds with most of the entire world. That's why we have our military everywhere. After all, if other nations felt that OUR military mission was that important, they would have either

(1) stood their own military up for that cause or
(2) recognized the importance of the USA mission by paying for it.

Anything else is opportunism.

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But never Russia. On the contrary, his list of positions toward Russia is basically Vladimir Putin's dream foreign policy. For a guy suffering under crippling sanctions, a tanking economy, low oil prices

Thanks to the USA and our wahhabist terror-promoting ally, Saudi Arabia

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and a demographic time bomb

Like the EU

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Donald Trump is offering him everything he could possibly want. And what does Trump want in return? For Russia—and only for Russia—he wants nothing.

Okay, just OOC. and please disengage your Russophobia, if at all possible... what has Russia done to us? What do we "want' from Russia? What do YOU want from Russia? You seem like some sort of gay Canadian son of a Nazi Ukie expat. So be very clear. What do YOU want from Russia? And, why?

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As much as I loathe Putin, I'm not among those who now think Mitt Romney was right when he listed Russia as our #1 geopolitical threat. Conservative fearmongering on the subject leaves me cold. Nonetheless, this list is not a coincidence. There's something behind the scenes guiding it. But what?

One of the The Donald's capabilities is that he recognizes power. Unlike our current set of neocons who have convinced themselves that a replay of 1989 is possible, Trump has a sense of what is possible and what is not, and the USA "taking over the world" with a revenant Russia and a determined China is not only NOT in the cards, it could quite possibly be a fatal error.

Now, I believe you hate to think that there are limits on USA power, except moral ones but the USA has met its match. While the Russo-Sino axis can't do what the USA does (ta

KPO

Wednesday, August 10, 2016 5:27 PM

Hillary campaign ad - "What is Donald Trump's connection to Vladimir Putin?"

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SIGNYM

Thursday, August 11, 2016 6:41 PM

HILLARY CLINTON'S TIES TO RUSSIA

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A recent Government Accountability Institute (GAI) report exposed additional Clinton Foundation and State Department cooperation and pay-for-play during the Russian reset.

In the Skolkovo debacle, 17 of the 28 participating companies from around the globe had either donated to the Clinton Foundation or sponsored Bill Clinton’s speeches. Skolkovo is a Russian foundation and technology park, intended to be a Russian version of Silicon Valley.

While Mrs. Clinton’s State Department pushed for the Skolkovo initiative, her own foundation was being funded by both the Russians and Americans tied to the project. The report estimates that the foundation gained between $6.5 million and $23.5 million, because the Clinton Foundation only reports donations in ranges.

The ties between Mrs. Clinton, her associates, and the Russians are blatant, but the mainstream media are more content to report on Donald Trump’s Russian contacts than those of the Clintons.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/to-russia-with-love-trump-vs-hillary/

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

SECOND

Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:21 PM

On August 1, Donald Trump gets a Full Flop from Politifact for whether he's had a relationship to Vladimir Putin.

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/01/donald-trump/d
onald-trump-gets-full-flop-whether-hes-had-relati/

The closeness Trump had claimed to Putin-era Russia has prompted questions from critics, including foreign policy professionals in both parties. The U.S. government sees Russia as a geopolitical rival and Putin in particular as a sometimes problematic force in international relations.

Trump’s seeming fondness for Putin has worried critics in both parties, therefore Trump completely changed his story. "Putin? Don't know him. End of Story. Let's move on." -- Trump

SECOND

Friday, August 12, 2016 12:16 AM

Donald Trump, Insisting He Won’t Change His Style, Repeats Claim Obama Founded ISIS

www.nytimes.com/2016/08/12/us/politics/donald-trump-obama-isis.html

Donald J. Trump said Thursday that he intended to stick by his unorthodox campaign style, even if it meant taking “a very, very nice long vacation” after Nov. 8.

In interviews on Thursday morning, Mr. Trump sounded an uncharacteristically fatalistic note, acknowledging the possibility he could be defeated on Election Day.

Mr. Trump pledged on CNBC to “just keep doing the same thing I’m doing right now,” adding that he was the only presidential candidate who tells things “straight” and is “a truth-teller.”

“At the end, it’s either going to work or I’m going to, you know, I’m going to have a very, very nice long vacation,” he added.

It was a rare instance in which Mr. Trump has conceded that his approach might not work.

Mr. Trump also defended his portrayal of the president as a “founder” of ISIS, despite criticism that the claim was both inaccurate and inflammatory.

In an interview with the conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, Mr. Trump was given an opportunity to explain that he meant the claim only theoretically. But Mr. Trump would not budge.

“You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace,” Mr. Hewitt suggested, leaving Mr. Trump an opening.

“No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS. I do,” Mr. Trump said. “He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.”

KPO

Saturday, August 20, 2016 4:08 PM

Trump campaign chairman Manafort resigns over allegations of corruption and links to Russian oligarchs, now being investigated by the FBI:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/19/politics/paul-manafort-donald-trump-
ukraine/index.html

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 20, 2016 6:46 PM

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Yanukovych and Manafort had the same barber - the connection was so obvious it was ridiculous.

You're kidding, right?

Yanno, you haven't even figured out the strategic effect of Trump's proposals. It's actually quite intelligent, and they attempt to reverse Obama's and Hillary's SIGNIFICANT strategic errors. So with that many clues, I'm going to let you think about it for a bit and see if you figure it out.

In the meantime, I noticed you've been unable (or unwilling) to even come up with ONE real threat that Russia poses to the USA. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60755 So maybe Russia doesn't pose a threat to us at all? At least, not as far as you can think of?

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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