TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!
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Quote:This can actually apply to Trump because he did something sneaky and misleading with his tax plan announced yesterday. He will be denying it but he said one thing and yet the tax plan does not work the way he wants you to think it works:
Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:
Originally posted by G:
I don't know about you, but I feel some standard issue denyin' coming on.
I got the popcorn and am ready.
From the very beginning of his campaign, Trump has been consistent about abolishing the carried-interest loophole, which allows hedge fund managers to pay low tax rates on their management fees, which can sometimes run into the billions of dollars. This is the entire basis of his claim that the rich will pay more under his plan.
But it turns out that he's found a clever way to stick with his promise but nonetheless give the hedge fundies a huge tax cut. CBPP explains:
www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/examining-donald-trumps-statements-t
oday-on-taxes
Quote:Nickel summary: Under the old plan, the tax rate for carried interest would go up from 23.8 percent to 33 percent (or whatever top rate Trump happens to be hawking at any given moment). Under the shiny new plan, it would go down from 23.8 percent to 15 percent. The carried interest loophole would be gone, but the new pass-through income rate would be even better. Hooray for Wall Street!
Mr. Trump said today that he would set the top individual income-tax rate at 33 percent...However, his plan would create a much lower rate than 33 percent for a substantial number of very-high-income households by allowing people to pay a new low rate of 15 percent on “pass-through” income (business income claimed on individual tax returns).
....This large tax cut for pass-through income would also undercut another tax change Mr. Trump mentioned today: eliminating the tax break for “carried interest.” Under current law, investment fund managers can pay taxes on a large part of their income — their “carried interest,” or the right to a share of their fund’s profits — at the 23.8 percent top capital gains tax rate rather than at normal income tax rates of up to 39.6 percent. The Trump plan ostensibly would tax carried interest at ordinary income tax rates. In fact, however, these investment fund managers generally would be able to arrange to receive their income as pass-through income.
This is basically a trivial thing, but it just goes to show how fanatic Republicans are about cutting taxes on the rich. Even a small symbolic tax increase that would affect only a tiny number of rich people simply can't be tolerated. Some way has to be found to get rid of it, even if that means inventing a whole new tax giveaway for a huge number of people.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Hey Second,
And now he proposes to his followers to "take care" of Hillary as only 2d Amendment followers can, should she win the "rigged" election. So vile is his suggestion that the Secret Service commented on the matter. A rarity in the world of security.
To threaten a potential presidential candidate is serious business. Of course he denies it and places blame on the media. Funny thing, he spoke the words - pretty much like "blood coming out of her wherever." We all know his
intent, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out his intent.
This is a president!?
SGG
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Originally posted by second:
http://time.com/4443382/donald-trump-economic-speech-detroit-transcrip
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Donald Trump just finished his big economic policy speech. Every single one of his proposals would benefit the rich and do nothing for the working and middle classes. But he sure knows how to put a populist spin ("your tax will be zero!") on giveaways to the rich, doesn't he? Here are the pieces that caught my eye:
Huge tax cut for the rich.
But no spending cuts that he's willing to admit to.
End of estate taxes.
Cut corporate tax rate to 15 percent.
Allow corporations to repatriate foreign earnings at a special 10 percent rate.
Slash regulations on corporations.
Pretend global warming doesn't exist.
Ban all new financial regulation.
Repeal Obamacare.
Most of the speech was just the usual tired Republican orthodoxy. Mitt Romney could have given 90 percent of it. There was also a lot of random guff about how disastrous the economy is; how the unemployment rate is a hoax; and how American energy, planes, cars, steel, and so forth will employ way more American workers once he becomes president.
You bet.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:From today's Houston Chronicle:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Second,
We all know his intent, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out his intent.
This is a president!?
George P. Bush’s Trump endorsement puts politics above decency
by LISA FALKENBERG
www.houstonchronicle.com/news/columnists/falkenberg/article/George-P-s
-embrace-of-Trump-is-a-missed-9132815.php
Shrewd. Calculating. Unconvincing.
These are the words that came to mind when I read of George P. Bush’s decision to split with his family and urge his party to support Donald Trump as the Republican presidential nominee.
“From Team Bush, it’s a bitter pill to swallow, but you know what? You get back up and you help the man that won, and you make sure that we stop Hillary Clinton,” the 40-year-old Texas land commissioner told the State Republican Executive Committee at a Saturday meeting, according to an attendee’s video that went viral on You-Tube.
For a rising star young politician who serves as the party’s victory chair in Texas, Bush’s move wasn’t terribly surprising. It resembled the tacit nod of other painfully uncomfortable Republicans who split hairs between “endorsing” Trump and “supporting” him, and who make half-hearted distinctions between the man himself and the man’s latest despicable sound bite.
So, why did Bush’s words sting so badly?
Some of us concerned Americans — including, say, the 50 senior Republican national security officials from Nixon to George W. Bush who signed a letter the other day declaring Trump a national security risk — are past the point of caring about political considerations.
We’re past the point of pretending that a guy who whispers sweet nothings to Vladimir Putin, badmouths NATO, insults the grieving family of a war hero, touts his illiteracy like an honorary degree, and has the emotional control of a nap-deprived 3-year-old is a normal presidential nominee deserving of traditional partisan deference.
We need brave souls to stand up and call a joker a joker. We need young voices to drown out, or at least moderate, the frustrations and fear of the older generation. We need serious public servants to stop cloaking Trump’s radical agenda in the awkward embrace of mainstream conservatism.
We need someone with a good head on his shoulders, a nice smile, and GOP credibility to stand up and point out this farce. Who better than George P., who watched Trump belittle his father, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and drag his mother into the ring of a contentious Republican presidential primary by suggesting her Mexican heritage swayed Jeb Bush’s policy positions on immigration?
But George P. passed on the opportunity.
Republicans stand up
His move is understandable, given his responsibility to unite his party, promote lower-ballot candidates and build rapport with the Republican base.
As Republican political consultant Matt Mackowiak told the Chronicle’s Mike Ward: “If Trump wins, it helps him. If Trump loses by a small margin, it still helps him.”
But, as the recklessness of Trump’s candidacy becomes more evident, Bush’s stance is no longer acceptable.
As conservative New York Times Columnist David Brooks put it recently: “You either stand with a man whose very essence is an insult to basic decency, or you don’t.”
He added: “If you’re not in revolt, you’re in cahoots.”
One can’t expect the younger Bush to be as outspoken against Trump as his father. And Texas Republicans may never have the luxury of conscience afforded to politicians like Maine Republican Sen. Susan Collins, who has come out against Trump. Consider what happened when U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz used the word “conscience” in his convention speech refusing to back Trump.
As a young reporter covering the Texas Legislature and various state and congressional races, one of the hardest concepts to master was the cynicism of it all. I knew that, to some degree, politics was a game, with rules and rivalries, and cold st
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I knew Trump would bounce back due to Americans’ short-term memory loss, and it is happening! It makes me feel confident about the future of America!
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
Tweet of the Day: Barack Obama Has Never Built a Golf Course
Rudy Giuliani says Obama has never built a golf course in his entire life. Unlike you know who.
Can a man truly call himself a man until he's built his first golf course?
The trees at Liberty Golf Course must be watered with the blood of patriots, Peter Thiel, and tyrants.
Ask not what your country can do for you, but what sand trap you can build for your country!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Let's cheer him on: Trump! Trump! He's The Man! If he can't stop Hillary, nobody can!
Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I knew Trump would bounce back due to Americans’ short-term memory loss, and it is happening! It makes me feel confident about the future of America!
I'm ready to call it.
And besides, Hillary is The Devil because Trump said so.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Poll numbers actually show that Trump is now less popular with the white working class than Romney was. In 2012, Romney won 62 percent of noncollege-educated white voters. The latest NBC-Wall Street Journal poll showed that Trump isn’t even winning a clear majority with the group, with just 49 percent backing him. A McClatchy/Marist poll puts him even lower, at 46 percent. This is a reversal from earlier in the summer, when Trump’s support among the group was in the 60s, higher than Romney’s, though not by leaps and bounds.
Much of the analysis of Trump’s support was based on the fact that he did very well indeed among a particular group of white working class voters early on: those who planned to vote in the GOP primary. Surowiecki, for instance, cited a July 2015 Washington Post/ABC News poll that showed a third of white GOP voters without college degrees had decided to support Trump, more than his rivals in the then-crowded field.
But one third of white working class voters planning to vote in a GOP primary is not that many people. Just 14 percent of eligible adults took part in the presidential caucuses and primaries, 9 percent of the total American population. White working class Trump voters were a small subset of that number, not really enough to make much of a difference.
If a candidate were to come along who was able to win most white working class voters – and energize them enough to boost their overall voter participation – that would indeed be noteworthy. But the evidence so far suggests Trump isn’t that candidate.
https://theintercept.com/2016/08/10/the-great-white-hype-no-one-is-ene
rgizing-the-white-working-class-not-even-donald-trump/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump Eliminating Estate Tax
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/hair-meets-heirs/
It’s sort of being put into the background by little stuff like death threats against Hillary Clinton, but I’m still kind of fascinated by how “populist” Donald Trump came out for elimination of the estate tax, which hits only a tiny number of yuuge estates. Of course, he probably doesn’t know that. Still, it was clearly a sop to the GOP establishment, which considers tax-free inheritance the “linchpin of the conservative movement.”
That tells you a lot about said movement. The thing about the estate tax is that it’s really, really hard to make the case that it’s all about incentives and trickle-down benefits. And conservatives basically don’t even try. Instead, they’ve made estate tax repeal an issue of “fairness” — people, they say, shouldn’t have to pay tax all over again when they die, and think of all the family farms and businesses broken put to pay the tax.
Now, this argument is in fact deeply misleading and almost always dishonest. For one thing, lots of people get taxed twice — once when you earn income, again when you pay sales tax, etc.. And much of the wealth passed on to heirs represents income — unrealized capital gains — that has never been taxed before. Oh, and the very wealthy, the people who now pay the bulk of the estate tax, often pay lower overall tax rates than people further down the scale; see Romney, Mitt.
There’s more: we’re supposed to feel bad about those broken-up family farms — but back in 2001, when the American Farm Bureau Foundation was asked to provide examples, it couldn’t find even one. Small business tales are also very hard if not impossible to find, and that was back when the minimum threshold was a lot lower than it is now. Basically, we’re supposed to feel sorry for unicorns.
But in that case, how does this story still exert power? Money in politics, for sure; decades of lavishly funded propaganda, too. But what Graetz and Shapiro, linked above, emphasize is that some of the blame rests on centrists and mild liberals, too: they never made the moral case for estate taxation. Even now, it’s hard to think of many politicians willing to be anywhere near as forthright as Teddy Roosevelt was about the dangers to democracy posed by vast inherited wealth.
The question is whether the Trump phenomenon will reopen that door. I understand and sympathize with the Clinton campaign’s decision to emphasize how uniquely bad Trump is; their task is, first and foremost, to keep his short fingers off the button. But a big win would, perhaps, create room for a more robust enunciation of progressive values, on this and many other subjects.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Donald Trump’s new tax plan could have a big winner: Donald Trump’s companies
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2016/08/10/donald-trumps-new-
tax-plan-could-have-a-big-winner-donald-trumps-companies/
A little-noticed provision in Donald Trump’s tax reform plan has the potential to deliver a large tax cut to companies in the Republican presidential nominee’s vast business empire, experts say.
Trump’s plan would dramatically reduce taxes on what is known in tax circles as “pass-through” entities, which do not pay corporate income taxes, but whose owners are taxed at individual rates on their share of profits. Those entities are the most common structure for small businesses and increasingly popular for larger ones as well. They are also a cornerstone of the Trump Organization. On his 2015 presidential financial disclosure report, Trump listed holdings of more than 200 limited liability corporations, which is a form of pass-through.
"It’s a really nice deal” for Trump and pass-through owners like him, said Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.
Other Republicans and some business lobbying groups have long pushed to reduce taxes on pass-throughs, but what’s notable about Trump’s proposal is that it goes much further than any other recent GOP nominee's.
Trump would tax pass-through income at a rate of 15 percent, compared to the 40 percent personal income tax rate a wealthy business owner would pay today. He is the first GOP nominee to propose a specific pass-through rate. Others have simply lowered the top income tax rate, which would have the effect of lowering the pass-through rate as well. Mitt Romney, the party’s 2012 nominee, would have set a top rate of 28 percent. John McCain and George W. Bush wanted to tax it at 35 and 33 percent, respectively.
Critics say the changes create new incentives for tax-evasion and shower benefits disproportionately on the wealthiest Americans.
Trump “personifies the problems with pass-throughs, in a really clean way,” said Brendan Duke, the associate director for economic policy at the liberal Center for American Progress think tank, which on Wednesday released a report on the practice. “He’s proposed to make the problem far worse and in a way that would be a big benefit to him.”
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Originally posted by second:
Poll numbers actually show that Trump is now less popular with the white working class than Romney was. In 2012, Romney won 62 percent of noncollege-educated white voters. The latest NBC-Wall Street Journal poll showed that Trump isn’t even winning a clear majority with the group, with just 49 percent backing him. A McClatchy/Marist poll puts him even lower, at 46 percent. This is a reversal from earlier in the summer, when Trump’s support among the group was in the 60s, higher than Romney’s, though not by leaps and bounds.
Much of the analysis of Trump’s support was based on the fact that he did very well indeed among a particular group of white working class voters early on: those who planned to vote in the GOP primary. Surowiecki, for instance, cited a July 2015 Washington Post/ABC News poll that showed a third of white GOP voters without college degrees had decided to support Trump, more than his rivals in the then-crowded field.
But one third of white working class voters planning to vote in a GOP primary is not that many people. Just 14 percent of eligible adults took part in the presidential caucuses and primaries, 9 percent of the total American population. White working class Trump voters were a small subset of that number, not really enough to make much of a difference.
If a candidate were to come along who was able to win most white working class voters – and energize them enough to boost their overall voter participation – that would indeed be noteworthy. But the evidence so far suggests Trump isn’t that candidate.
https://theintercept.com/2016/08/10/the-great-white-hype-no-one-is-ene
rgizing-the-white-working-class-not-even-donald-trump/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
People always assign White men who leaned towards Trump the labels of being afraid, bigots, racists, homophobes, anti-Muslim, ignorant, isolationists and more. That has never been true. Many, and I mean many are from the disappearing middle class who lost good manufacturing and labor jobs over the last 40 years. Especially the last decade and a half. These jobs did not require a college education and paid a living wage. Even if many of those manufacturing jobs were lost to technology, fee trade played a major role as well.
The White male realizes a country cannot survive without manufacturing. The White male realizes that many more jobs are going to be lost to technology so deporting the rest is a formula that spells disaster. Many of the problems in urban city communities come from industries leaving(textiles to name one). Many White male working class feel betrayed by their government because they have been. And even if Trump was going to be a disaster on most issues. Being strong on immigration and giving countries who benefited the most from our companies jumping ship (China who hacks and steals from us as well) was going to get a boot up their ass from Trump. He said it so strongly, on this he would have to follow through.
Also realize that the White male knows global warming (famine, drought, look at what’s happening in Europe) is going to drive many to our borders in the near further and we need to be able to control that. Something we do not hear our government acknowledging. The Republicans would but then they would have to admit to global warming.
What you are noticing now SECOND is this same White males backing off Trump because he is unstable and dangerous. He would drive wedges between ourselves and our allies and well, the list is too long.
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"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don’t know. But — but I’ll tell you what. That will be a horrible day."
Drumpf threatening the life of a presidential candidate.
He now claims that he was just pointing out that "the Second Amendment people" would rise up and take political action. But why did he claim "that will be a horrible day" if that were to happen?
As with most things, Drumpf doesn't make any sense, either in the things he says or in his weak-kneed attempts to explain those things after the fact.
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