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TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 6:19 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But on to more interesting topics: Hillary's "seizures".

I agree KIKI, these don't look like seizures, they look possibly like an over-medicated movement disorder.

A little too much dopamine, perhaps??? That "seizure" at the DNC convention looked like nothing so much as a sudden, distracting hallucination which can be caused by dopamine overdose.

Hillary Clinton’s falls recall the health questions JFK tried to dodge

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/8/hillary-clintons-falls-recall-
the-health-questions
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ANALYSIS/OPINION:

The health of a prospective president is one of the most important issues of any campaign, but whether to ask hard questions about a candidate is usually a matter of whose prospective president, and whose health. When the prospective president is a Democrat, the media only sends candy, flowers and best wishes.

Ours is a curious campaign, and the precedents set in the coverage of it are dark and dangerous because they’re likely to be long-lasting. Objectivity, honored if sometimes only in the breach for more than a century, is regarded this year as no longer necessary because “going after Donald Trump” is not only legitimate, but morally righteous.

If you’re a reporter or pundit and believe that Mr. Trump is evil, or at least bad, “you have to throw out the textbook American journalism has been using for the better part of the past half-century, if not longer, and approach it in a way you’ve never approached anything in your career,” Jim Rutenberg, the “mediator” at The New York Times, wrote Monday. “If you view a Trump presidency as something that’s potentially dangerous, then your reporting is going to reflect that.”

Thus partisan opinion officially becomes fact, the only “news” that’s fit to print. It was a moment to mourn objectivity, which newspapers have held high for what seems like forever. RIP.

The latest contretemps is over the health of Hillary Clinton, and whether there should be any discussion of it, and if so, how, and who should do the discussing. Her stumbling, fainting, severe coughing and moments of odd behavior on the campaign have been much talked about by the reporters following her, but this knowledge was veiled in a discreet silence, until now.

The Drudge Report, which everybody on the bus reads as an early take on the news of the world, led Monday with an inventory of her health missteps and photographs of her being helped up the steps of a private house, held up by several aides. The clearly intended question posed is whether the Democratic nominee is ailing, and if so, how. Carol Costello, a news hostess on CNN, observed that the Drudge item had been up all weekend and asked a Trump aide: “Will Donald Trump go there?”

The question would once have been bizarre for a journalist, even a television journalist. The question would have been, would reporters go there? And if not, why not? “Going there” is what a reporter is paid to do, to see whether there’s a story there, and if not, to say so — loud and clear. Instead Mzz Costello, who is neither a physician nor has she examined Hillary Clinton’s health, acknowledged the health episodes, but assured her viewers: “She has totally recovered.” She did not say how she knows that.

The Drudge Report cited four health episodes over the years Hillary has campaigned for president: needing assistance climbing stairs this year, a blood clot on the brain in 2012, a fall while boarding an airplane in 2011 and a fall on her way to the White House in 2009. One of the accompanying photographs, by Reuters, shows her losing her balance while touring a substance abuse center in Charleston, S.C.

None of the incidents, taken as single episodes, appears to a layman’s eye to be a symptom of something to take her out of the campaign, and if, as “Dr.” Costello of CNN says, “she has totally recovered,” we can all be glad of that, and wish her good health, if not too much happiness on the way to November 8.

But the incident, and the me

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 6:22 PM

http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-08-09


That "angry" person? That's you, honey.


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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 7:24 PM

Present company excluded...

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:20 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-08-09

That "angry" person? That's you, honey.

I'm not Alice, I'm Wally, except I don't drink coffee or wear glasses or ties nor am I bald or wear shirts, although I do have a coffee cup full of Pilot pens, letter opener, and Sharpies. There is an eraser that I never need because either I stopped making errors or stopped caring enough to notice.
http://dilbert.com/strip/2010-07-15


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:34 PM


double post

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:34 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hillary will get nothing on climate change, no matter what she wants you to think the future holds with her. She also won't get universal healthcare, the public option or any of the other fantasies she promotes. Obamacare will stand or fall in the courts. It will not be voted out in the senate, so Hillary's position is moot.

If you're a typical democrat, you're a poor example of democrats in general. No wonder they've been such losers over the years.



So what, you are suggesting people should vote for someone else because Hillary will be blocked from doing what the voters want.

Another stupid obseveration 1kiki. And you the self proclaimed socialist suggesting by your relentless attacks against Hillary to vote for who, Trump. Careful, your agenda is showing again comrade.

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:38 PM

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Originally posted by G:

Welcome to Kikiville Second.

You know how you crack a few eggs in a bowl to make an omelet and you see a small piece of shell in the bowl? And you try and fish it out but it keeps slipping one way or the other no matter how directly you try and address it? It just keeps side stepping to either side?? Ayep - Kiki.

Obviously Kiki has an opinion on Global Warming, and Muslims, and Health care and OBVIOUSLY expressing that would back her into a corner of inner and yet public conflict. She will never admit her true motivations - trust me on that one. She'll just keep side stepping, left, right. At least she has Signym for comfort.

1kiki is hiding something. I rudely speculated that it was working for Putin and being paid per thousand keystrokes. That's going to be impossible to scientifically verify without asking Hakin for help and why would he want to get sucked into that nonsense of one fireflyfan poster asking where 1kiki is really posting from in the world, so I tried another theory of 1kiki and that is why I was asking questions. But 1kiki answered "moot" to every question and then refusing all questions told me all I need to know about 1kiki.

Getting back to Trump and Dilbert, Scott Adams had this to say:

Clinton’s label of “dark” for Trump’s convention speech was such a well-designed linguistic kill shot. It is so good, in fact, that I speculated it was designed by the Godzilla of persuasion – who I did not name.

Dark is a fresh, unusual word (for politics). And it lets you fill in the details with whatever scares you the most about Trump while conveying a general tone of evil and negativity. Dark is no common insult. It originated from a master persuader.

Meanwhile, Trump was trying out his new linguistic kill shot by calling his opponent Hillary Rotten Clinton. Her actual name is Hillary Rodham Clinton, so it works as a play on words, and that helps memory retention, which is a persuasion trick. But it’s more than a clever play on words.

Rotten – like dark – is a fresh, unusual word (for politics). And it is general enough that people can fill in their own details with whatever they find to be rotten about Clinton. If you think Clinton looks unhealthy, perhaps she is rotting from the inside. Likewise, Clinton’s email problems sound rotten. . . .
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147998060931/the-dark-and-rotten-election

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:10 AM

Donald Trump thinks he knows how to make America's economy grow again, and that's by copying George W. Bush.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/09/donald-trump-has-a-plan
-to-make-america-great-again-copy-george-w-bush
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Indeed, in his big economic speech on Monday, Trump mostly just repeated the same supply-side shibboleths about cutting taxes for the rich and cutting back on regulations that Republicans have for 35 years now. The only way you could tell you weren't listening to, say, Mitt Romney, were all the calls to rip up our trade deals. But while the establishment might celebrate his lukewarm embrace, he ended up being just as disconnected from economic evidence as the GOP has been for years on questions of tax, regulation and economic growth.

The Republican Party, you see, keeps insisting that the only way to increase growth is to do what has not, in fact, increased growth the past 25 years. That's freeing businesses and businessmen from overly burdensome taxes and regulation so they bless us with so much wealth-creation that some of it will trickle down to us plebes. The problem with that, though, is it didn't work when George W. Bush tried it. The private sector, as you can see above, actually added fewer jobs after Bush cut taxes than it did after Bill Clinton and Barack Obama raised them.

It's almost as if growth depends on a lot more than just marginal tax rates.

How do Republicans explain this? Easy: They don't. They pretend that they never said Clinton's tax hikes would "lead us to a recession," like Newt Gingrich did in 1993. Or that the Bush tax cuts would supercharge the economy so much that they would pay off the entire national debt, like the Heritage Foundation did in 2001. Or that Obama's plan to raise taxes on the rich was "killing the Dow," like economist Michael Boskin did in 2009. The focus is always on the next tax cut, which, as Trumps says about his own, will "lead to millions of new, good-paying jobs." Everything else goes down the memory hole.

The GOP has the same approach when it comes to regulation. They tend to forget that rules have benefits as well as costs, or, if you look at it from the other direction, that there are costs as well as benefits to not having rules — like air that isn't as breathable, water that isn't as drinkable and a financial system that isn't as stable. Instead, they worry about anything getting in the way of business, even if that business is making predatory loans. Remember, after all, lax regulation of mortgages under the Bush administration helped foment the financial crisis that destroyed millions of jobs. You might have thought the Bush years would have made obvious that loose regulations aren't quite a magic elixir for growth, but, well, no.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, August 10, 2016 5:07 AM

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Originally posted by G:

I don't know about you, but I feel some standard issue denyin' coming on.

I never give a damn about what "second" writes on my computer. "second" is not me, "1kiki" is not the person behind 1kiki and "River Tam" is not Summer Glau. No human need worry about their reputation when using a pseudonym. But some do, thinking that every word they type is a reflection of who the person is.

I throw in some valuable words from an essay before I go. These were written using her real name, not a pseudonym. The words are worth her defending because of the attachment to her real personality, not some internet character.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Weil

On the Abolition of All Political Parties by Simone Weil

The problems with political parties are fairly obvious but nothing has changed here in the seventy years since this was written:

"When a country has political parties, sooner or later it becomes impossible to intervene effectively in public affairs without joining a party and playing the game. Whoever is concerned for public affairs will wish his concerns to bear fruit. Those who care about the public interest must either forget their concern and turn to other things, or submit to the grind of the parties. In the latter case, they shall experience worries that will soon supersede their original concern for the public interest."
www.amazon.com/dp/1590177819/

Since the essay was written during WWII, it references the War:
“Democracy, majority rule, are not good in themselves. They are merely means towards goodness, and their effectiveness is uncertain. For instance, if, instead of Hitler, it had been the Weimar Republic that decided, through a most rigorous democratic and legal process, to put the Jews in concentration camps, and cruelly torture them to death, such measures would not have been one atom more legitimate than the present Nazi policies (and such a possibility is by no means far-fetched). Only what is just can be legitimate. In no circumstances can crime and mendacity ever be legitimate.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, August 10, 2016 6:35 AM

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Originally posted by G:


I don't know about you, but I feel some standard issue denyin' coming on.



I got the popcorn and am ready.

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