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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 2:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"you post really obvious, really poorly manipulated videos"

How are they manipulated? They show the troubling events in time-relevant context. And that's what I was looking for, which didn't show up in the previous videos, which is the complete before-during-after sequence in real time.

They look like neurologically aberrant events that arise out of routine circumstances. And the experience I have (I'm not a neurologist) doesn't even allow me to classify them, except perhaps the 'interview' one, where her eyes (and body) very briefly deviate to her left. That could indicate a focal lateralized seizure, probably right-sided. But all the rest of it - the confused, terrified freezing; the repeated head-jerk; the stereotypic surprise-mask - looks completely bizarre to me.




Moronic and subjective post 1kiki. Means nothing try again.

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 2:47 AM

Thanks for the bump. You're a useful idiot that way.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 3:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Thanks for the bump. You're a useful idiot that way.

I checked 1kiki's Hillary scoop at Snopes, famous for investigating internet rumors.

www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-slipping-on-stairs/

www.snopes.com/photograph-incontinent-hillary-clinton/ 1kiki forgot to mention this one.

www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-demanded-this-photo-be-removed/ 1kiki forgot to mention this one.

After looking at each of 1kiki's pieces of disinformation, Snopes concluded that 1kiki is deliberately misleading you.

Shame on you, 1kiki.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 3:54 AM

I checked 1kiki's Hillary scoop at Snopes, famous for investigating internet rumors. Lie #1.

Not mine, honey.


http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-slipping-on-stairs/ Lie #2.

Not mine either.

I did look at it. Hillary looked unusually slow and careful going up the stairs. She could have been drugged, drunk, dizzy, or just old and tired. And she clearly tripped at the top, she didn't just 'fall'. But even if she tripped over 'nothing' - she was dragging a toe - it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Which is why I didn't address it.


http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-demanded-this-photo-be-removed/ 1kiki forgot to mention this one. Lie #3.

I didn't 'forget'. I just didn't post it.
So now you know what's in my mind well enough to attribute thoughts to me? Are you that mean, or that stupid, or what? You tell me. How do you explain your fabrications?


http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-seizure-video/

As Snopes says: "Red bullets mark claims which cannot be established as true by a preponderance of (reliable) evidence." Which doesn't mean 'false' for your information. It means - as SNOPES clearly indicated, "unproven".


http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-demanded-this-photo-be-removed/ 1kiki forgot to mention this one. Lie #4.

I didn't 'forget'. I just didn't post it.
So now you know what's in my mind well enough to attribute thoughts to me? Are you that mean, or that stupid, or what? You tell me. How do you explain your fabrications?


After looking at each of 1kiki's pieces of disinformation ... Lie #5.

Nope. Just ONE of the things I posted was even addressed by SNOPES. And you falsely attributed three to me I excluded.



The facts concluded that second is deliberately misleading you.

Shame on you, second. (fixed that for you - you're welcome)






Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 4:30 AM

1kiki, Snopes does not take sides. I do. You do. You are at war with Hillary. You are also siding with Trump, since you keep shoveling misleading Hillary stories into real news stories of Trump.

And your skin is thin, 1kiki.

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Not mine, honey.
Lie #2.
Lie #3.
Lie #4.
Lie #5.




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 4:43 AM


Originally posted by second:
"Snopes concluded that 1kiki is deliberately misleading you."
"1kiki, Snopes does not take sides."


Are you schizophrenic?


Originally posted by second:
Since you keep shoveling misleading Hillary stories into real news stories of Trump.


Meanwhile, apparently looking at genuine videos that actually exist is 'misleading'. Just as looking at Hillary's history with Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, and Syria is 'misleading'. And looking at her actual convoluted statements about trade agreements is 'misleading'. Not only that, looking through the draft DNC platform is also 'misleading'.

Meanwhile, second's endless posting of comedy shows, comics, opinions, fabrications, and lies, is 'factual'.

Right, second?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 5:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Meanwhile, second's endless posting of comedy shows, comics, opinions, fabrications, and lies, is 'factual'.

Right, second?

Wrong. You didn't respond to this one on this very page:
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60557&mid=1014824#
1014824


It was all Trump, being himself. So what did you think of his: "Finally, no family will have to pay the death tax. American workers have paid taxes their whole lives, and they should not be taxed again at death – it’s just plain wrong. We will repeal it." The estate tax exemption is $5.43 million, so it is a tax break for me, not you and not the middle class. Every Trump tax cut is directed at the upper class. It's just the standard Republican promise going back to Reagan. Trump's followers will not be getting Trump's promised zero tax rate unless they have zero earned income: "For many American workers, their tax rate will be zero." -- Trump.

"These are the real unemployment numbers – the five percent figure is one of the biggest hoaxes in modern politics." -- Trump.

"No one will gain more from these proposals than low-and-middle income Americans." -- Trump.

"Just enforcing intellectual property rules alone could save millions of American jobs. According to the U.S. International Trade Commission, improved protection of America’s intellectual property in China would produce more than 2 million more jobs right here in the United States." -- Trump. Yes, if only China could be prevented from pirating Disney cartoons, there would be 500,000 more animators working in Burbank and Emeryville, California.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:05 AM


Originally posted by 1kiki:
Meanwhile, second's endless posting of comedy shows, comics, opinions, fabrications, and lies, is 'factual'.
Right, second?
Originally posted by second:
Wrong. You didn't respond to this one on this very page:
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60557&mid=1014824#
1014824




So that's your excuse for endlessly lying? You posted ONE thing (you claim) is true?

Tell you what, second.

IF you apologize for lying about me. and
IF you respond to a factual post of mine. and
IF don't evade the topic, lie, or snark. and
IF you support your claims with links and cites.

I'll discuss one of yours.

After you.

But I'm not holding my breath.





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:05 AM


Originally posted by 1kiki:
Meanwhile, second's endless posting of comedy shows, comics, opinions, fabrications, and lies, is 'factual'.
Right, second?
Originally posted by second:
Wrong. You didn't respond to this one on this very page:
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60557&mid=1014824#
1014824




So that's your excuse for endlessly lying? You posted ONE thing (you claim) is true?

Tell you what, second.

IF you apologize for lying about me. and
IF you respond to a factual post of mine. and
IF don't evade the topic, lie, or snark. and
IF you support your claims with links and cites.

I'll discuss one of yours.

After you.

But even though all I'm asking is for normal, everyday, honesty and common courtesy, I'm not holding my breath.





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

So that's your excuse for endlessly lying? You posted ONE thing (you claim) is true?

Tell you what, second.

IF you apologize for lying about me. and
IF you respond to a factual post of mine. and
IF don't evade the topic, lie, or snark. and
IF you support your claims with links and cites.

I'll discuss one of yours.

After you.

But even though all I'm asking is for normal, everyday, honesty and common courtesy, I'm not holding my breath.

My God! You have morphed into Donald Trump. You write like he talks!

GOP senator Susan Collins: Why I cannot support Trump
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/gop-senator-why-i-cannot-support-trump
/2016/08/08/821095be-5d7e-11e6-9d2f-b1a3564181a1_story.html


By Susan Collins August 8 at 9:00 PM

The writer, a Republican, represents Maine in the Senate.

I will not be voting for Donald Trump for president. This is not a decision I make lightly, for I am a lifelong Republican. But Donald Trump does not reflect historical Republican values nor the inclusive approach to governing that is critical to healing the divisions in our country.

When the primary season started, it soon became apparent that, much like Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Mr. Trump was connecting with many Americans who felt that their voices were not being heard in Washington and who were tired of political correctness. But rejecting the conventions of political correctness is different from showing complete disregard for common decency. Mr. Trump did not stop with shedding the stilted campaign dialogue that often frustrates voters. Instead, he opted for a constant stream of denigrating comments, including demeaning Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) heroic military service and repeatedly insulting Fox News host Megyn Kelly.

With the passage of time, I have become increasingly dismayed by his constant stream of cruel comments and his inability to admit error or apologize. But it was his attacks directed at people who could not respond on an equal footing — either because they do not share his power or stature or because professional responsibility precluded them from engaging at such a level — that revealed Mr. Trump as unworthy of being our president.

My conclusion about Mr. Trump’s unsuitability for office is based on his disregard for the precept of treating others with respect, an idea that should transcend politics. Instead, he opts to mock the vulnerable and inflame prejudices by attacking ethnic and religious minorities. Three incidents in particular have led me to the inescapable conclusion that Mr. Trump lacks the temperament, self-discipline and judgment required to be president.

The first was his mocking of a reporter with disabilities, a shocking display that did not receive the scrutiny it deserved. I kept expecting Mr. Trump to apologize, at least privately, but he did not, instead denying that he had done what seemed undeniable to anyone who watched the video. At the time, I hoped that this was a terrible lapse, not a pattern of abuse.

The second was Mr. Trump’s repeated insistence that Gonzalo Curiel, a federal judge born and raised in Indiana, could not rule fairly in a case involving Trump University because of his Mexican heritage. For Mr. Trump to insist that Judge Curiel would be biased because of his ethnicity demonstrated a profound lack of respect not only for the judge but also for our constitutional separation of powers, the very foundation of our form of government. Again, I waited in vain for Mr. Trump to retract his words.

Third was Donald Trump’s criticism of the grieving parents of Army Capt. Humayun Khan, who was killed in Iraq. It is inconceivable that anyone, much less a presidential candidate, would attack two Gold Star parents. Rather than honoring their sacrifice and recognizing their pain, Mr. Trump disparaged the religion of the family of an American hero. And once again, he proved incapable of apologizing, of saying he was wrong.

I am also deeply concerned that Mr.?Trump’s

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