TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!
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Quote:You wrote "Nothing about that is going to get through Congress". The correct expression would be "Nothing gets through the Republican majority in the House and Senate". Everything could be accomplished if Republicans in Congress become an angry minority white party in some future election.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
To bring the discussion back to reality, as I mentioned earlier, the only things worth discussing are THINGS THAT CAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN.
Hillary's position on global warming? It doesn't matter. Nothing about that is going to get through Congress - assuming she even bothers to spend any effort at all proposing it. In fact, with a few rare exceptions, THE ENTIRE DNC DRAFT PLATFORM IS A FANTASY. And Hillary and the DNC know it.
Zika virus funding is an example of Republican majority in action. The funds would be available, but only if Obamacare was overturned, abortions were banned, and the Confederate flag was flying at Post Offices in the South. The Republican majority would not pass the Zika funding unless the Republicans' wishlist was fulfilled. And Zika funding does not touch the Republican Party's belief that global warming is a hoax. It is just an ordinary issue that the Republican party has stymied.
www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/31/zika-funding-congress-senate-dem
ocrats
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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"Nothing gets through the Republican majority in the House and Senate."
Blame democrats. In the 2008 election the Democrats won the presidency, the House, and a super majority in the Senate. Since Obama took office, democrats lost the House to Republicans in 2010 , lost the Senate to Republicans in 2014, lost 12 governorships, and lost 910 state legislature seats.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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Quote:You are always misleading, 1kiki. Obama only won because Bush had been an incompetent President and the recession of 2008. And because V.P. Sarah Palin is a nincompoop. By 2009, the Republican failures were forgotten by the so called Independent Voters, who once again voted Republican. The switch had nothing to do with the inadequacy of Democrats, it had everything to do with the failing memories of white Independent Voters.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Nothing gets through the Republican majority in the House and Senate."
Blame democrats. In the 2008 election the Democrats won the presidency, the House, and a super majority in the Senate. Since Obama took office, democrats lost the House to Republicans in 2010 , lost the Senate to Republicans in 2014, lost 12 governorships, and lost 910 state legislature seats.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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"Republican failures were forgotten by the so called Independent Voters"
Unh hunh.
You got a cite for that?
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-democrats-lost-the-house-to-republican
s/
Why Democrats Lost the House to Republicans
Congressional Democrats suffered their worst electoral defeat in decades, losing more than 50 seats in the House of Representatives. Preliminary CBS News exit polls show that these results were fueled primarily by a depressed turnout among Democratic base groups, independents leaning Republican and voter backlash against President Obama and his handling of the economy.
Based on those exit polls, here's how the Republicans took back the House:
The Democratic Base Stayed Home
Core Democratic groups stayed away in droves Tuesday, costing Democratic House candidates dearly at the polls.
Hispanics, African Americans, union members and young people were among the many core Democratic groups that turned out in large numbers in the 2008 elections, propelling Mr. Obama and Democratic House candidates to sizable victories. In 2010, turnout among these groups dropped off substantially, even below their previous midterm levels.
Voters under the age of 30 comprised 18 percent of the electorate in 2008 and nearly 13 percent in 2006 but only made up 11 percent of the electorate in 2010. The share of voters from union households dropped from 23 percent in 2006 and 21 percent in 2008 to 17 percent in 2010. African Americans made up 13 percent of the electorate in 2008 but fell to 10 percent in 2010. Such apathy likely cost the Democrats House seats as voters in each of these groups cast ballots for Democratic House candidates by at least 15 point margins.
Independents Turned to the Right
Independent voters without loyalties to either of the major political parties swung dramatically toward the Republican Party in 2010, propelling Republican House candidates across the country to victory.
In the last two House elections, independent voters played a crucial role in the Democratic victories. Fifty-seven percent of independents preferred Democratic House candidates to Republican House candidates in 2006 while 51 percent of independents voted Democratic in 2008.
In 2010, independent voters comprised 28 percent of the electorate. They cast 55 percent of their ballots for Republican House candidates. Independent voters had not cast this great a proportion of votes for Republican House candidates since the last time the House flipped to the Republicans in 1994.
The New Leaders of the House
Disapproval of Performance from Obama and Congress
Mr. Obama proved to be a major liability in the 2010 election. Fifty-five percent of voters disapproved of the way the president is handling his job, including 58 percent of independents. Of those who disapproved of Obama, 86 percent voted for a Republican House candidate. Even more to the point, 37 percent of voters overall, as well as 37 percent of independents, claimed a reason for their House vote was to express opposition to Mr. Obama.
Voters were no happier with the Democratic-controlled Congress. A whopping 72 percent of voters disapproved of the way Congress is handling its job, including majorities of Republicans, Democrats and independents. Of those who evaluated Congress negatively, 64 percent preferred a Republican House candidate to a Democratic House candidate in their local race.
Unhappiness with Obama's Policy Approaches
The exit polls show that voters have become disillusioned with Democratic policy prescriptions for the most pressing political problems. Nearly three quarters of voters (74 percent) are dissatisfied or angry the way the federal government is working. More than six-out-of-10 voters (61 percent) think the country is off on the wrong track. And 51 percent of voters think Mr. Obama's policies have hurt the country. Not surprisingly, sizable majorities of all these groups preferred Rep
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Quote:I've got better than a political scientist's abstract paper. I've got data on Trump and Hillary:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Republican failures were forgotten by the so called Independent Voters"
Unh hunh.
You got a cite for that?
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
The odds have changed a great deal for the moment and yet Trump and Hillary have not changed at all from who they were in July. Trump and Hillary have not even said anything new since July. It is the same old stuff from both. Trump is still wildly and mindlessly attacking anyone who disrespects him in even the tiniest way. Hillary is still talking about policy details that her audiences could not follow even if the details was written down to help them comprehend. Same-old Hillary and same-old Trump.
But look at how the probability of winning has fluctuated for them! The flux is caused by the short memory of the “Independent” voters. They can’t remember that Trump was a thug and Hillary has always been a wonk. Unlike “Independent” voters, partisan voters like me don’t need to remember anything more than the name of their political party. Partisan voters don’t cause wide fluctuations in probabilities.
Just wait a couple of weeks and Trump’s probability of winning will go sky-high if he can be convinced to read from the teleprompter at all times. The “Independent” voters will forget what a jackass he is, if he speaks only prepared remarks. The memory of two very different political conventions will fade to absolutely nothing in the minds of “Independent” voters.
The short memory of voters is the reason why the Citizens United Supreme Court decision was very important for Republicans. Since “Independent” voters can’t figure out who screwed up the country, they settle for the dumbest and most inaccurate explanation: “It’s Congress’ fault!” With enough advertisement, the Republicans can fill the “Independent” voters’ empty memories with “It’s Democrats’ fault!” The mainstream media will play along with the Republican party’s theme because the media doesn’t want to lose Republican ad money.
Republican campaigns are better than Democrats at taking advantage of “Independent” voters’ short-term memory loss. If you have seen Finding Dory you'd understand how a person functions with the memory loss -- erratically -- exactly like “Independent” voters.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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What a Philip Roth novel can teach us about Donald Trump
Twelve years ago Philip Roth wrote a counter-factual novel in which an extreme right-wing populist wins the presidency. It seems less fanciful by the day
by Sameer Rahim / August 4, 2016
Is there anything new to say about Trump and his phenomenal rise? Amid the welter of opinion, it might be worth turning to fiction. In 2004, Philip Roth wrote a brilliant counter-factual novel, The Plot Against America, which imagined the US electing to the Presidency the celebrity far-right leader Charles Lindbergh with his bigoted views about minorities and a weakness for foreign strongmen. Reading the novel, you can’t help seeing striking parallels with the rise of Trump. Roth, writing about the past but of course also about the present, anticipates the rightward shift in post-9/11 US politics.
Charles A Lindbergh was a real person. An ace pilot, in 1927, at the age of 25 he flew solo non-stop from New York to Paris. Overnight he became a hero across America. In 1932, his baby son was kidnapped and killed by an immigrant ex-convict, which brought him widespread sympathy. By 1936, Lindbergh was in Berlin for the Olympics, describing Adolf Hitler as “undoubtedly a great man… [who] I believe has done much for the German people.” In 1941 he spoke at America First rallies (the slogan resurrected by Trump), and was touted by many as the next president.
In real life, that never happened. But in Roth’s novel, it does. The young Philip tells us how his patriotic father reacts with hysterical disbelief at Lindbergh’s triumph. All his long-held fears of anti-Jewish sentiment among his fellow Americans seem to be confirmed. Fear seeps through the family. Driving past a German beer garden, Philip sees, “The intoxicant of anti-Semitism. That’s what I came to imagine them all so cheerfully drinking in their beer garden that day—like all the Nazis everywhere, downing pint after pint of anti-Semitism as though imbibing the universal remedy.” Of course these men could simply be having a drink. But paranoia breeds paranoia, and the spectre of a German-American alliance as proposed by Lindbergh becomes for the Roth family an existential threat.
Gradually, the dread increases. On a visit to Washington DC to see the monuments to the Republic, the family are abused by Lindbergh supporters. More painfully, Philip’s older brother, a boy who hasn’t much affection for his religious identity, is drawn into a government programme called “Just Folks” run by the Office of American Absorption that inducts inner-city Jewish children into wholesome American country ways. (The etymological echo of “folk” and “volk” is a pleasingly sinister touch.)
Lindbergh is mainly kept off-stage. It is his effect on ordinary Americans that Roth is most interested in. Some vote for him to avoid another costly foreign war; some are bigoted; some are simply attracted to his power. One senior rabbi sides with Lindbergh, hoping to gain preferment for himself and his family. The rabbi, and Philip’s aunt who marries him, don’t realise that Lindbergh does not play by the common rules of compromise. He brings the single-mindedness of the successful pilot to the political arena. When he blames the Jews, he really means to blame the Jews.
The mature Roth has written some brilliant novels, but none feels so urgent as The Plot Against America. Grounded in an immaculately re-created family world, the fantasy becomes all too plausible. In the end, with America rioting and well-known Jews being done away with, Roth gets history back on track when Lindbergh dies in a mysterious airplane disaster. It’s implied that someone in the establishment decided that enough was enough. We can only hope that Trump is brought down to earth by democratic means on 8th November. Until then, it’s worth buying a copy of Roth’s novel. While you still can.
www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/blogs/sameer-rahim/what-philip-roth-can-tea
ch-us-about-donald-trump
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190p
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Originally posted by second:
Republican failures were forgotten by the so called Independent Voters" (in 2010)
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Unh hunh.
You got a cite for that?
Originally posted by second:
I've got better than a political scientist's abstract paper. I've got data on Trump and Hillary
OH! Lookey that! You pulled another Geezer!
Just to remind you, you've been whinging about what poor shape the democrats are in, needing Hillary to rescue them from a republican-dominated Congress. And I pointed out that WHEN OBAMA TOOK OFFICE, DEMOCRATS HAD A MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND A SUPERMAJORITY ON THE SENATE. Which they lost a mere two years later by a landslide. YOU blamed it on independents - no cite of course, even though I waited for one. Then I posted an analysis that showed DEMOCRATS STAYED HOME IN DROVES - many were unhappy with Obama's economic non-policy and a majority were unhappy with the DEMOCRATIC DOMINATED CONGRESS.
Meanwhile, you keep flogging the democratic same-old same-old, which is why they lost congress - and keep losing more of it every year.
Anything to say about that?
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-m-granholm/debunking-the-myth-o
bamas_b_1929869.html
http://sandiegofreepress.org/2012/09/the-myth-of-the-filibuster-proof-
democratic-senate/
Should be common knowledge. I'm not surprised it's not. MSM is notoriously conservative.
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Quote:Sure, it is easy to explain Democrats' losing Congress in 2010. And you know this perfectly well too, but you're being misleading, as always.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
OH! Lookey that! You pulled another Geezer!
Just to remind you, you've been whinging about what poor shape the democrats are in, needing Hillary to rescue them from a republican-dominated Congress. And I pointed out that WHEN OBAMA TOOK OFFICE, DEMOCRATS HAD A MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND A SUPERMAJORITY ON THE SENATE. Which they lost a mere two years later by a landslide. YOU blamed it on independents - no cite of course, even though I waited for one. Then I posted an analysis that showed DEMOCRATS STAYED HOME IN DROVES - many were unhappy with Obama's economic non-policy and a majority were unhappy with the DEMOCRATIC DOMINATED CONGRESS.
Meanwhile, you keep flogging the democratic same-old same-old, which is why they lost congress - and keep losing more of it every year.
Anything to say about that?
Democrats don't bother to show up to vote during non-Presidential election years, aka midterm elections. They've got the idea that only voting every 4 years is a good way to make their opinion heard in government, but there it is: as unforesightful, improvident, myopic as Dory the Fish from Finding Dory 2016. Many Democrats are only voting in half the elections. Republicans vote every election, very unlike Democrats. The Republicans are wiser than Democrats about how a Democracy works.
www.fairvote.org/voter_turnout#voter_turnout_101
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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