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TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!

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THGRRI

Friday, August 5, 2016 4:17 AM

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You're posting too many keystrokes, 1kiki. Putin will cut back the rate you are paid per thousand keystrokes if you keep this up. It is the law of diminishing returns, 1kiki. Possibly even negative returns because when you post too often, your post aren't read.

Exactly SECOND. After you realize what SIG and 1kiki are about, stopping to read cut and pasted throngs of information that is edited so it fits into their agenda, is not going to happen. Because they are so off the mark it is simpler to take their points and expose them as the moronic statements that they are.

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SECOND

Friday, August 5, 2016 4:24 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Are you saying your videos have the same thought, complexity and imagination of Firefly? That your simplistic propaganda compares with a complete story?

1kiki, yammer on about this "simplistic" story. Trump is in the center. I'd show you the video of Trump and his henchmen, but you're so superior you'd call it propaganda, even though it is just Trump being a jackass and the crowd cheering him:

The simple truth of American politics—and of democratic life at large—is that our institutions are only as strong as the norms around them.

Trump crossed one of the brightest lines in American politics, the one that deals directly with our tradition of peaceful transfer of power.

“I’m afraid the election is going to be rigged, I have to be honest,” he said to a crowd in Columbus, Ohio. He followed up on this in an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity. “I’m telling you, November 8th, we’d better be careful because that election is going to be rigged. And I hope the Republicans are watching closely, or it’s going to be taken away from us.”

Roger Stone, a longtime adviser to Trump, said that Trump should start talking “constantly” about the chance of voter fraud and a rigged election. “He needs to say for example, today would be a perfect example: ‘I am leading in Florida. The polls all show it. If I lose Florida, we will know that there’s voter fraud.’ ” Stone continued in this vein. “ ‘If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government.’ ”

From here, Stone’s language gets ominous. “If you can’t have an honest election, nothing else counts,” he said. “The government will be shut down if they attempt to steal this and swear Hillary in. No, we will not stand for it. We will not stand for it,” Stone said, promising a “bloodbath” of “civil disobedience.”

Trump is a major party leader in an age of rigid partisanship. Not only has this bound reluctant lawmakers to his campaign, but it’s given him a definite floor for votes in the general election. If he loses, it won’t be a landslide. It might even be close. Which makes this language dangerous.

A Donald Trump who accuses the Democratic campaign of fraud—who says Hillary stole the election from him—is one who has allies and enablers within his party. It’s one who has an audience with millions of voters, primed to believe in an epidemic of fraud and stolen elections, where “fraud” often means black and Latino voting.

What happens if Trump loses the election, and he claims fraud? What happens when hundreds of thousands of his most loyal followers—fed on a diet of anger and rage—convince themselves that the race was stolen from their tribune? For the sake of his own ego, Trump is stoking fear and distrust just so he can lose the election without losing face.
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/08/trump_s_rigg
ed_comments_are_corrosive_and_dangerous.html

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

The freedom to vote your conscience: it's called democracy, cupcake. Get over it.

You're rhapsodizing, again, about freedom. There are limits to how successful you can be, but failure can be infinite in a democracy. Example: The Confederate States of America and all those millions of patriotic slavery benefiting citizens, who were really serious about voting their conscience and making themselves into failures in life, commerce, morality and war.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Friday, August 5, 2016 5:26 AM

"Trump crossed one of the brightest lines in American politics, the one that deals directly with our tradition of peaceful transfer of power."

Have the guns come out yet? If not, this belongs in the predictions thread and it's not the fact you state it as being. BTW election fraud is a well-known phenomenon is US politics especially in the Bush/ Gore election. And I certainly hope the pollsters and statisticians are on high alert for this election cycle.

"You're rhapsodizing, again, about freedom."

Yep. But freedom only exists in fact, as opposed to in theory, when it gets exercised. And in the real world it means choosing your course of action and accepting the consequences of that choice.

You otoh don't like people to be free. Whatever. Your opinion is irrelevant to me.

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

SECOND

Friday, August 5, 2016 6:42 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Have the guns come out yet? If not, this belongs in the predictions thread and it's not the fact you state it as being.

Yep. But freedom only exists in fact, as opposed to in theory, when it gets exercised. And in the real world it means choosing your course of action and accepting the consequences of that choice.

Has South Korea, USA friend, built an A Bomb and test fired it yet? Then no need for 1kiki to worry that soon-to-be-President Trump encourages them to build the Bomb to match N Korea's arsenal. You're a really far-sighted thinker there, 1kiki. President Trump ought to be encouraging S. Korea to exercise its freedom to have A-Bombs and President Trump should be accepting the consequences of S. Korea's democratic choice. That terrible-evil Hillary would be discouraging S. Korea from building the essential weapon it needs to protect itself from N. Korea.

When you’re in the nuclear business and talking about nuclear weapons, your statements are policy. Already Trump’s words may well be informing the calculus of other countries that could just as easily arm themselves, but have held off because of the United States’ commitment to deterrence.

Trump said during a CNN-moderated town hall in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, “At some point we have to say, you know what, we’re better off if Japan protects itself against this maniac in North Korea. We’re better off, frankly, if South Korea is going to start to protect itself.” Yes, Trump, N and S Korea with nukes. What could go wrong? Far better for both sides of Korea to be armed with nukes under President Trump than President Obama’s policy of both Koreas without nukes.

If Trump continues to signal that US commitment to nuclear deterrence could wane during his administration, what you’re looking at is not only a great destabilizing of a robust and sturdy security architecture. You’re looking at potentially one of the widest expansions of nuclear proliferation in history.
www.wired.com/2016/08/dear-donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-bad/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Friday, August 5, 2016 6:46 AM

"Has South Korea, USA friend, built an A Bomb and test fired it yet? Then no need for 1kiki to worry that soon-to-be-President Trump encourages them to build the Bomb to match N Korea's arsenal."

Because Trump is dictator of S Korea? Or the US?

Really?

Whatever.

SECOND

Friday, August 5, 2016 7:30 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Has South Korea, USA friend, built an A Bomb and test fired it yet? Then no need for 1kiki to worry that soon-to-be-President Trump encourages them to build the Bomb to match N Korea's arsenal."

Because Trump is dictator of S Korea? Or the US?

Really?

Whatever.

I knew you were going to be a brat about A-Bombs. 100 days from now Trump has been elected President, hypothetically. South Korea's existence depends on the President protecting them with his very real power to nuke North Korea without asking permission from Congress. With 33% chance of Trump being President and whimsically deciding NOT to protect S Korea, do you really think S Korea is not making plans to build A-bombs?

Trump is just a B-List celebrity, at the moment, but that will soon change. He is now telling S Korea to build an A-Bomb after Trump wins. Trump is NOW telling his supporters to spill some blood if Trump loses in the next 100 days because Obama stole the election for Hillary. But in your mind, 1kiki, there is no problem because Trump has not yet lost or won the election.

Your flippant "Really?" and your indifferent "Whatever" mean you don't care about anything except exercising your freedom to be immature. Are you expressing your bratty personality with your choice of music, clothes, phone, home decor and Anybody-but-Hillary, since you're old enough to vote?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Friday, August 5, 2016 8:00 AM

S Korea - oh, and Japan and Australia - are part of 'nuclear umbrella' pact accepted by both parties. http://nwp.ilpi.org/?p=1221 That aside, S Korea is ALREADY considering (again) nuclear weapons, umbrella notwithstanding. http://www.ibtimes.com/south-korea-mulling-developing-nuclear-weapons-
despite-us-assurance-extending-its-2349007 NOTE: April 2016 (way before an imaginary Trump presidency was on the horizon). This appears to be due to Saint Obama's lackadaisical response to small N Korean actions, and that is making both S Korea and Japan nervous. http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/18/raindrops-keep-falling-on-my-nucle
ar-umbrella-us-japan-south-north-korea/

Do you really think Trump is the ONLY factor in this equation? That recent N Korean activity AND Chinese activity, AND the US' long-term posture under Saint Obama aren't already moving both S Korea and Japan? That those countries don't move under their own accord for their own interests, that they only act under orders from Washington?

And that Congress, and the Supreme Court wouldn't play a role internally?

You actually give Trump way more credit than he deserves.

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, August 5, 2016 4:28 PM

The first thing that came to mind when Trump made the pronouncement of voter fraud should he lose, was that which you correctly stated; he was preparing his followers (the poor schmucks) for the inevitable loss or possible withdrawal from the race. He's looking to save face, nothing more.

It's not about Trump being president so much as being D.I.C., Dictator in Charge. There it is.

Now, voter fraud has existed since the Europeans came to conquer this country. But in this day and age, with the advancements of technology, that has become both harder and easier to occur. The poor huddled masses why, of course, they have access to these technologies that will wreak havoc on the
democratic system of our government. Of course, they'll do anything to prop up their candidate of choice (some choice!) short of murder.

This land is "their" land, and no one is going to take it away from them. This is the mentality we are dealing with. This is Trump's way out of being labeled a "loser" - that ship has sailed Mister Looney-Bin! And then you have his cronies declaring a "bloodbath", a not-so-shocking declaration if I ever heard one. This has been brewing for quite some time, and now I see the end game.

Psychopaths welcome!

SGG

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Are you saying your videos have the same thought, complexity and imagination of Firefly? That your simplistic propaganda compares with a complete story?
1kiki, yammer on about this "simplistic" story. Trump is in the center. I'd show you the video of Trump and his henchmen, but you're so superior you'd call it propaganda, even though it is just Trump being a jackass and the crowd cheering him:

The simple truth of American politics—and of democratic life at large—is that our institutions are only as strong as the norms around them.

Trump crossed one of the brightest lines in American politics, the one that deals directly with our tradition of peaceful transfer of power.

“I’m afraid the election is going to be rigged, I have to be honest,” he said to a crowd in Columbus, Ohio. He followed up on this in an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity. “I’m telling you, November 8th, we’d better be careful because that election is going to be rigged. And I hope the Republicans are watching closely, or it’s going to be taken away from us.”

Roger Stone, a longtime adviser to Trump, said that Trump should start talking “constantly” about the chance of voter fraud and a rigged election. “He needs to say for example, today would be a perfect example: ‘I am leading in Florida. The polls all show it. If I lose Florida, we will know that there’s voter fraud.’ ” Stone continued in this vein. “ ‘If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government.’ ”

From here, Stone’s language gets ominous. “If you can’t have an honest election, nothing else counts,” he said. “The government will be shut down if they attempt to steal this and swear Hillary in. No, we will not stand for it. We will not stand for it,” Stone said, promising a “bloodbath” of “civil disobedience.”

Trump is a major party leader in an age of rigid partisanship. Not only has this bound reluctant lawmakers to his campaign, but it’s given him a definite floor for votes in the general election. If he loses, it won’t be a landslide. It might even be close. Which makes this language dangerous.

A Donald Trump who accuses the Democratic campaign of fraud—who says Hillary stole the election from him—is one who has allies and enablers within his party. It’s one who has an audience with millions of voters, primed to believe in an epidemic of fraud and stolen elections, where “fraud” often means black and Latino voting.

What happens if Trump loses the election, and he claims fraud? What happens when

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SECOND

Friday, August 5, 2016 6:15 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Do you really think Trump is the ONLY factor in this equation?

I will take another cut at this in an attempt to shake your smug certainty that you understand the subject, the kind of certainty I've seen from callow youths:

Donald Trump’s Finger on the Nuclear Trigger

A former nuclear missile officer—and adviser to Republicans—on why the prospect terrifies him.

By Isaac Chotiner Aug. 3 2016 6:02 PM
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2016/08/a_forme
r_nuclear_missile_officer_on_why_trump_is_unfit_to_handle_the_nuclear.html

Wednesday morning on his television show, Joe Scarborough claimed he had spoken to a foreign policy expert who had been advising Donald Trump. During the course of that conversation, Scarborough said the expert told him Trump had asked three times why the president couldn’t use nuclear weapons. In response to the uproar that followed Scarborough’s comments, John Noonan, a former nuclear missile officer (and former adviser to Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush), published an extraordinary, and frightening, string of tweets on what it would mean for the future of American nuclear policy (and the world) if there were a “narcissist walking around with nuclear authenticators.”

Noonan wrote about his Air Force experience Wednesday morning, noting that at the time, he knew that he would only be ordered to launch in the most dire of circumstances. His concern about Trump is driven, in part, by the knowledge that a President Trump could order someone to launch for God-knows-what-reason. We spoke by phone on Wednesday afternoon. During the course of our conversation, which has been edited and condensed for clarity, we discussed the psychological tests he had to undergo, Trump’s own mental state, and why the subject of nuclear weapons can never be taken lightly.

Q: How do they check your sanity and make sure you know the gravity of your job?

A: They will give you a battery of questions and ask if you have had any prior psychological issues. They will check medical records, if they are available. As part of the top-secret clearance process, they go back and ask people who you have been associated with if you are as you present yourself. And when I did it, you do a session with your squadron commander where he goes through all the responsibilities that you will have and whether you are willing to meet those responsibilities.

Q: One job we do not have a psychological test for is president of the United States. Have you heard people in Republican foreign policy circles speculate on Trump’s mental health?

A: I think anyone who listens to what Donald Trump has to say on foreign policy should be concerned. This is not the first time that he has talked about nuclear weapons in a reckless manner. Remember, he was interested in maybe having Japan or South Korea leave the U.S. nuclear umbrella and develop nuclear weapons of their own. That is contrary to decades’ worth of nuclear weapons policy and is, frankly, a terrible and dangerous idea.

Q: Whether or not it is dumb, it does suggest that nuclear weapons is a subject he just spouts off on. He doesn’t take them seriously.

A: Right. I don’t know if he understands the gravity of nuclear weapons enough to take it seriously. He didn’t know what the nuclear triad was, which is something I think most high-schoolers are at least somewhat aware of. It’s a red flag. It’s a big red flag. So, do you take him at his word, if this is what he said—and it was an anonymous source to Joe Scarborough, so there is a grain of salt necessary here. But if the quote is accurate, nuclear weapons are so scary and so grave that you have to be suspicious of the fact that he is asking questions.

Continues at www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2016/08/a_forme
r_nuclear_missile_officer_on_why_trump_is_unfit_to_handle_the_nuclear.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, August 5, 2016 7:57 PM

“What Kind Of Monster Will Not Pay A Children’s Band?”
Donald Trump mocked for cheating trio of young girls.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly