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Thursday, August 4, 2016 7:08 AM

http://newsinn.org/display/article/3183296/leaked-explosive-ttip-docum
ents-expose-corporate-takeover-dismantled-climate-protection


LEAKED: Explosive TTIP documents expose corporate takeover, dismantled climate protection

03-May-2016

Analysis of the leaked documents show that the investor state dispute settlement (ISDS) clause central to TTIP is a high priority for Washington.

Following in-depth analysis of the leaked documents, Greenpeace International and other anti-TTIP groups highlighted a number of key criticisms. The leaked negotiating texts indicate that TTIP, in its current form, will likely see progressive EU policies that were put in place to protect the planet scrapped.





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Thursday, August 4, 2016 7:21 AM

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/07/28/corporate-democrats-have-
always-hated-left-now-theyre-shocked-learn-we-hate-them



Corporate Democrats Have Always Hated the Left — Now They're Shocked to Learn That We Hate Them Back

Thursday, July 28, 2016
Jake Johnson

Since the 1970's, the American left has been on the defensive.

Facing both an increasingly ambitious business offensive against the core tenets of the New Deal and a Democratic Party establishment that was slowly beginning its rightward shift, progressive activists were pushed out of the mainstream, where they had remained a solid force during the Roosevelt era and through the 1960's.

These consequential shifts were, in large part, due to the changing composition of the Democratic Party's donor base — a base that moved away from union halls and into the lucrative embrace of corporate America.

To justify their rightward lurch, ambitious Democrats urged us to consider the dangers posed by, to use the words of Adolph Reed, "the relentless Republican juggernaut." Simultaneously, the party also became increasingly hostile toward those on their left, those who remained opposed to the corporate interests Democrats were attempting to attract.

"The administration is being run by the far right. The Democratic Party is in danger of being taken over by the far left," said Senator Evan Bayh in 2003, in a comment that captures quite well the posture of the Democrats of the 1980's and 1990's.

Looking to chart a new course — a "third way" — for liberals who were apathetic or even hostile toward organized labor and friendly toward organized wealth, the Democratic Leadership Council emerged as a powerful voice within the party's establishment, touting the benefits of "private-sector economic growth" and attempting to counter the perception that Democrats are the party of unions and "big government."

Coming to fruition with the election of the Bill Clinton, DLC liberals have since held tremendous sway over the party's ideological trajectory — President Barack Obama, putting to rest any lingering hope that he is a leftist at heart, has touted his own position within the ranks of the New Democrats.

"As it stands," writes historian Lily Geismer, "the Democratic Party is much more than a repository of liberal values. It's a party that consistently favors its upper-middle-class base in both presidential campaign platforms and its governing agenda."

But in 2016, in the face of unprecedented income inequality and rising anger against an impotent political establishment, a revolt has taken place, a revolt that has challenged the centrist bent of the party and forcefully argued that radical change is necessary to confront the deepest issues facing the United States and, indeed, the entire planet.

As Jedediah Purdy notes in a recent piece in The Atlantic, the 2016 presidential race has, in many crucial ways, been a referendum on "the Obama style" of politics, a major aspect of that style being his commitment to technocratic liberalism and market-based economics.

"For his efforts, Sanders has largely been repudiated by both the Democratic leadership and ostensibly liberal pundits, who went from carelessly dismissing Sanders's candidacy as a side-show to condemning his progressive movement from every possible angle."

Purdy observes that, far from "lifting all boats," Democrats' commitment to growth-oriented capitalism has in many ways contributed to the already existing status quo, in which "a vast share of new growth in recent decades has gone to a tiny upper echelon of high-earners and to the already wealthy."

The campaigns of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump, though vastly different in almost every way, have channeled the opposition to this new normal.

While Trump has used hysterical bigotry to exploit very real material anxieties, Sanders has offered an ambitious way forward, focusing lar

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Thursday, August 4, 2016 7:53 AM

I came back to this fossil of a site to review the Bourne movie, which I did.

While I'm here - let's have fun.

1. First, pause to remember Riverlove's post just after the 2008 RNC, when she said that Sarah Palin was the CHAMPION and the end of the Democratic party. Savor that. Chew it like it's maple smoked bacon. Mmmmm.

2. I'm too lazy to find the link to this one, but challenge me and I will prove you wrong. I clearly recall asking the con-tards of this site, after the elections of 2008, something like: "In 2012 (or 2016), when Obama hasn't come for all your guns, and hasn't made Sharia law the law of land, and when the universe has not demolished itself but the US is really doing A-OK despite how bad it looks now [OMG do you people remember how bad it was in November 2008?]. When the economy is far better than it was after 8 years of Bush, will you acknowledge that you were wrong?"

Hmm?

3. New challenge: after HRC wins, make your predictions of how she will destroy America. This time I will bookmark your words to make make it easier to bring them back to you in 2020 and 2024. What disasters should we expect? Go on, put yourself on record.

4. Thugr. I like that you call out the Rollian trolls. But I don't forget. Please continue to worship that asshole who was a dick to me before he deleted all his posts and ran away like a little bitch. I like having proof of what kind of behavior you hold as heroic. Remind me.

5. Sig. Lolololololoooooolooooooo. OMG. Keep doing what you do. And please bring Rappy back. I miss him.




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Thursday, August 4, 2016 8:01 AM

Barack, Hillary, Libya - and Khizr Khan

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/08/03/what-khizr-khan-said-wasnt
-about-trump-and-you-probably-wont-hear



What Khizr Khan Said That Wasn't About Trump and You Probably Won't Hear

Wednesday, August 03, 2016
Andrea Germanos, staff writer
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As the United States this week expands its bombing campaign against the Islamic State (ISIS) to Libya, Khizr Khan, the Gold Star father who gave a powerful anti-Donald Trump speech at the Democratic National Convention (DNC), has criticized U.S. wars in Muslim nations as leaving us in a "quagmire," "more vulnerable," and creating "chaos for ourselves." But Khan's take on the war on terror is unlikely to be amplified by corporate media, as one political writer points out.

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Since the convention, Khan "has become something of a media celebrity," writes Ben Norton, politics staff writer at Salon.

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(But) On Monday, the same day the U.S. started its new campaign in Libya—a move one antiwar group said will only further "entrench divisions and intensify violence" in the region—the Khans gave an interview on MSNBC's "Hardball."

Asked by host Chris Matthews, "What do you think when you, or feel, when you see us attack Iraq or go into Afghanistan after Osama bin Laden, or we go attack with bombs Libya? We're bombing Syria now—all Islamic countries. What do you feel as an Islamic man?"

Khizr Khan replied, "As a Muslim-American, not just as Islamic man—as a Muslim American, I feel that these policies are not in the interest of United States of America, and we see the result of it. We are more vulnerable now. We have created a chaos and—for ourselves."

"Well, you know you're speaking to the choir," Matthews responded. (In fact, "Matthews’ record isn't entirely consistent" on being against either the war in Iraq or on avoiding a military approach to confronting ISIS, Norton notes.)

"I wish this country would have listened to Chris Matthews when he was talking, when he was preaching," Khan said, "we could have saved ourselves from this quagmire."

This section of the interview, Norton points out, "is not included in the isolated clips for the episode on MSNBC’s website. One has to watch the full episode to see it."

The situation may remind some of how the corporate media chose to portray Malala Yousafzai, the Nobel laureate and children's education advocate who was attacked by the Taliban. She met with President Barack Obama at the White House and told him that "drone attacks are fueling terrorism." Yet, as Peter Hart wrote at FAIR in 2013, that "didn't register in a corporate media that followed Malala's visit, and her story, very closely." Hart continued:

This is in keeping with other media patterns we've seen. Earlier this year, Farea al-Muslimi, a Yemeni writer and activist, came to Washington to deliver moving testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee about the effect of drone strikes on his country: “What the violent militants had previously failed to achieve, one drone strike accomplished in an instant. There is now an intense anger against America.” His words received scant coverage in the US media (FAIR Blog, 4/24/13).

If Americans wish to understand how US wars are experienced by those on the other side of the military attacks, it is important to hear these voices. But will US media allow these voices to be heard?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Thursday, August 4, 2016 10:53 AM

"When the economy is far better than it was after 8 years of Bush, will you acknowledge that you were wrong?"

Far better for who?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Thursday, August 4, 2016 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

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You're posting too many keystrokes, 1kiki. Putin will cut back the rate you are paid per thousand keystrokes if you keep this up. It is the law of diminishing returns, 1kiki. Possibly even negative returns because when you post too often, your post aren't read.

Donald Trump Repeatedly Asked National Security Expert ‘Why Can’t We Use Nuclear Weapons?’
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/08/trump-asked-advisor-why-c
ant-we-use-nuclear-weapons.html


During a conversation with former CIA director Michael Hayden, Scarborough said a “foreign policy expert on the international level” advised Trump several months ago and the Republican nominee for president asked questions about nuclear weapons that might terrify you.

“Three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons. At one point, ‘If we have them, why can’t we use them?’,” Scarborough said that Trump had inquired. “Three times in an hour briefing, ‘Why can’t we use nuclear weapons?’”



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:17 PM

Fortunately I don't have to vote for Donald to not vote for Hillary. So all your blah blah about him just rolls on by.

BTW I never watch videos. They're for people who can't read and don't think.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Thursday, August 4, 2016 6:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

BTW I never watch videos. They're for people who can't read and don't think.

So, you didn't watch the Firefly TV episodes? Because Joss Whedon's series of Firefly novels were far superior and conveyed a more nuanced story about the heroic individual versus oppressive big government? Then you missed something that only video can show -- the fine interpretation of the written source material by the actors.

www.vox.com/2016/8/2/12351320/donald-trump-ivanka-eric-roger-ailes-sex
ual-harassment


Donald Trump said that if his daughter were ever sexually harassed at work, he hoped she would just switch jobs, or even careers. Anybody NOT see what is wrong with Trump?
www.gocomics.com/drewsheneman/2016/08/03

Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Fortunately I don't have to vote for Donald to not vote for Hillary. So all your blah blah about him just rolls on by.


1kiki thinks a vote for Anybody-But-Hillary is a vote for freedom! Except for the fact, built into the electoral college system by the Constitution, that not voting for Hillary will never elect Jill Stein or some Libertarian. It is either Trump or Hillary. Not voting for Hillary or just not voting for anybody will not give you a third choice. Nothing will change that other than death or withdrawal from the race by Hillary or Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 4, 2016 9:07 PM

Yesterday's announcement: the Trump Taj Mahal casino will close next month. Sad!

When Donald Trump opened the Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City in 1990, the superlatives flowed like cheap champagne.

It was world’s biggest casino. It had the most slot machines and gambling tables. It had twice as many parking spaces than any other in Atlantic City.

The Taj Mahal’s run as the greatest didn’t last long. A little more than a year after it opened, the casino was in Chapter 11 bankruptcy, the first of many setbacks for the property.

Under his tenure, the three Atlantic City casinos he developed—the Taj is the last one operating under the Trump name—suffered from underinvestment and poor management, as he loaded the casinos with debt and milked them for cash.

“Early on, I took a lot of money out of the casinos with the financings and the things we do,” he told The New York Times earlier this year. “Atlantic City was a very good cash cow for me for a long time.”

Trump shed his last financial stake in the company in February, when it emerged from bankruptcy. He had owned 10% of the Taj Mahal since 2009, in exchange for the use of his name.
http://qz.com/750070/trump-taj-mahal-will-close-next-month-sad


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 5, 2016 1:03 AM


Originally posted by second:
So, you didn't watch the Firefly TV episodes?


Are you saying your videos have the same thought, complexity and imagination of Firefly? That your simplistic propaganda compares with a complete story? That your videos and Firefly are the same kind of thing because they were recorded on the same media? Because by that metric, a four frame Nancy comic is just like Crime and Punishment, because they're both on paper.

You're even dumber than I thought.


Originally posted by second:
1kiki thinks a vote for Anybody-But-Hillary is a vote for freedom! Except for the fact, built into the electoral college system by the Constitution, that not voting for Hillary will never elect Jill Stein or some Libertarian. It is either Trump or Hillary. Not voting for Hillary or just not voting for anybody will not give you a third choice. Nothing will change that other than death or withdrawal from the race by Hillary or Trump.


The freedom to vote your conscience: it's called democracy, cupcake. Get over it.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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