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TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!

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Tuesday, August 2, 2016 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So here's some more fun facts about Hillary, which I'm putting here second-rate, because you keep running away from the Hillary thread for some strange reason:

Sorted by topic rather than date, to make it easier to see her reversals AND LIES.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/21/401123124/a-time
line-of-hillary-clintons-evolution-on-trade


1993: NAFTA Dec 8 1993 Signed into law by President Bill Clinton
Takes effect Jan. 1, 1994.

1996: NAFTA pro
"I think everybody is in favor of free and fair trade. I think NAFTA is proving its worth." (March 6, 1996: At an event for the UNITE union at the Nicole Miller company in New York.)

1998: NAFTA pro
"Now again, I have to conclude that either American business doesn't care about opening markets around the world — Now when the President comes back to the Congress with a request for fast track authority I hope that American business voices will be heard. Having said that, I would add that there does need to be sensitivity to worker and environmental concerns in trade agreements going forward in the future. So I think that there may be some good reason for business to engage early with labor and with political leadership in Congress and the Administration ... but certainly that will not happen in the absence of some very stated and obvious business concern." (Feb. 2, 1998: Remarks at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.)

2000: NAFTA blame-shifting
"What happened to NAFTA, I think, was we inherited an agreement that we didn't get everything we should have got out of it in my opinion." (March 26, 2000: Before the Working Families Party, per Clinton 2008 campaign.)

2003: NAFTA blame-shifting
"Although unpopular with labor unions, expanding trade opportunities was an important administration goal." (From Clinton's first memoir, Living History. She was arguing that the Clinton administration could do both health care and NAFTA at once, but Bill Clinton and his advisers did not think so.)

2004: NAFTA blame-Canada!
"I think on balance NAFTA has been good for New York and America, but I also think that there are a number of areas where we're not dealt with in an upfront way in dealing with our friend to the north, Canada, which seems to be able to come up with a number of rationales for keeping New York agricultural products out of Canada." (Jan. 5, 2004: Via teleconference.)

2007: NAFTA outright lie, Bill Clinton could have vetoed it
"NAFTA was inherited by the Clinton Administration." (Feb. 1, 2007: Time interview.)

2007: NAFTA equivocal (it's not bad, it just wasn't done the right way)
"Look, NAFTA did not do what many had hoped, and so we do need to take a look at it and we do need to figure out how we're going to have trade relations that are smart..." (Nov. 15, 2007: During a CNN debate)

2008: NAFTA anti
"NAFTA was negotiated more than 14 years ago, and Hillary believes it has not lived up to its promises." (On Clinton's campaign website.)

2008: NAFTA outright lie
"You know, I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning" (Feb. 26, 2008: During an NBC debate.


2008: United States—Colombia Trade Promotion Agreement (TPA) anti
"As I have said for months, I oppose the deal. I have spoken out against the deal, I will vote against the deal, and I will do everything I can to urge the Congress to reject the Colombia Free Trade Agreement." (April 8, 2008: Before the Communications Workers of America. Her husband was in favor of it, her campaign had to distance her from his position, and her senior strategist Mark Penn was demoted because of ties to Colombia through his communications firm.)

2010: United States—Colombia Trade Promotion Agreement (TPA) pro
"First, let me underscore President Obama's and my commitment to the Free Trade Agreement." (June 11, 2010: On RCN Television. She also flew her husband in for di

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Tuesday, August 2, 2016 11:22 PM

Sally Bradshaw, Longtime GOP Consultant, Advisor To Jeb Bush, Leaves The GOP Over Donald Trump

In a written statement to CNN, Bradshaw says she had been considering the switch for months, and that she could not abide by "the hateful rhetoric of Donald Trump and his complete lack of principles and conservative philosophy.” She also told the cable network that, “too many Republicans are standing by and looking the other way.” And she adds she may vote for Hilary Clinton if the election is close.

http://news.wgcu.org/post/sally-bradshaw-longtime-gop-consultant-advis
or-jeb-bush-leaves-gop-over-donald-trump



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Wednesday, August 3, 2016 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Retiring Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.) on Tuesday announced he will vote for Hillary Clinton in November because Donald Trump is “unfit to serve our party and cannot lead this country.”

Obama Says Trump Is "Unfit" to Be President
www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/obama-says-trump-unfit-for-presidency/
index.html


For Donald Trump, Every Day Is Opposite Day



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, August 3, 2016 2:04 AM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Richard Hanna Becomes First Republican Congressman To Say He’ll Vote For

Retiring Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.) on Tuesday announced he will vote for Hillary Clinton in November because Donald Trump is “unfit to serve our party and cannot lead this country.”Hillary Clinton

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/richard-hanna-hillary-clinton_us_5
7a08f42e4b08a8e8b5f45ba?section=&
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Wow - the stones on that guy - good for him. I hate to get too far ahead, but Trump's recent comments seem to have started something. Wouldn't it be something if it was an older, silent Muslim women who was his undoing?

I expect many, many more vicious attacks on Hillary's everything.



I concur

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Wednesday, August 3, 2016 2:34 AM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Sally Bradshaw, Longtime GOP Consultant, Advisor To Jeb Bush, Leaves The GOP Over Donald Trump

In a written statement to CNN, Bradshaw says she had been considering the switch for months, and that she could not abide by "the hateful rhetoric of Donald Trump and his complete lack of principles and conservative philosophy.” She also told the cable network that, “too many Republicans are standing by and looking the other way.” And she adds she may vote for Hilary Clinton if the election is close.

http://news.wgcu.org/post/sally-bradshaw-longtime-gop-consultant-advis
or-jeb-bush-leaves-gop-over-donald-trump





I'm getting an image of Trump red faced and boiling mad and several of his aids holding him back from his Twitter account. "You'll just make it worse, OJ (Orange Jesus)!"



Here is some fuel for the fire.

Ex-top Christie aide backs Clinton over Trump

Longtime Chris Christie aide Maria Comella says she plans to vote for Hillary Clinton -- saying that after Donald Trump's nomination, Republicans are "at a moment where silence isn't an option."


http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/maria-comella-hillary-clinton-d
onald-trump/index.html


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Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:36 AM

Trump Bolsters Foreign-Policy Team by Adding Carson and Palin
By Andy Borowitz , August 2, 2016
www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-bolsters-foreign-policy-
team-by-adding-carson-and-palin


NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report)—After stumbling badly on an interview question about Ukraine, the Republican Presidential nominee Donald Trump attempted on Tuesday to reassure voters about his geopolitical expertise by adding the retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson and the former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to his team of foreign-policy advisers.

“Donald Trump always said that, as President, he would surround himself with the best people,” Trump’s spokesperson, Hope Hicks, said. “In Governor Palin and Dr. Carson, Mr. Trump now has the Dream Team.”

Speaking to reporters, Palin dismissed the controversy over Ukraine as “much ado about a gotcha question.”

“Donald Trump is one hundred and ten percent correct when he says that no one needs to be worrying about Ukraine,” she said. “If you look Ukraine up on Google Maps, like I just did, it’s right where it’s always been.”

Dr. Carson said that, as President, Donald Trump would support the territorial integrity of Ukraine and “its magnificent network of underground grain tunnels.”

“I cannot overemphasize the importance of Ukraine’s grain pipeline,” he said. “If you choke off Ukraine, Europe cannot bake bread.”

Trump’s spokesperson said that the additions to his foreign-policy brain trust should give voters “great confidence” that a Trump White House would be equal to the challenge of an international crisis. “When that 3 A.M. call comes in, and Mr. Trump is busy on Twitter, Dr. Carson and Governor Palin will be there to take the call,” she said.

Andy Borowitz is a New York Times best-selling author and a comedian who has written for The New Yorker since 1998. He writes the Borowitz Report for newyorker.com.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Trump Bolsters Foreign-Policy Team by Adding Carson and Palin
By Andy Borowitz , August 2, 2016
www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-bolsters-foreign-policy-
team-by-adding-carson-and-palin


NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report)—After stumbling badly on an interview question about Ukraine, the Republican Presidential nominee Donald Trump attempted on Tuesday to reassure voters about his geopolitical expertise by adding the retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson and the former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to his team of foreign-policy advisers.

“Donald Trump always said that, as President, he would surround himself with the best people,” Trump’s spokesperson, Hope Hicks, said. “In Governor Palin and Dr. Carson, Mr. Trump now has the Dream Team.”

Speaking to reporters, Palin dismissed the controversy over Ukraine as “much ado about a gotcha question.”

“Donald Trump is one hundred and ten percent correct when he says that no one needs to be worrying about Ukraine,” she said. “If you look Ukraine up on Google Maps, like I just did, it’s right where it’s always been.”

Dr. Carson said that, as President, Donald Trump would support the territorial integrity of Ukraine and “its magnificent network of underground grain tunnels.”

“I cannot overemphasize the importance of Ukraine’s grain pipeline,” he said. “If you choke off Ukraine, Europe cannot bake bread.”

Trump’s spokesperson said that the additions to his foreign-policy brain trust should give voters “great confidence” that a Trump White House would be equal to the challenge of an international crisis. “When that 3 A.M. call comes in, and Mr. Trump is busy on Twitter, Dr. Carson and Governor Palin will be there to take the call,” she said.

Andy Borowitz is a New York Times best-selling author and a comedian who has written for The New Yorker since 1998. He writes the Borowitz Report for newyorker.com.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



This election is over. This proves his stupidity and how dangerous it would be to elect this moron to anything. If the Republican party doesn't split from Trump they are doomed as well.


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Wednesday, August 3, 2016 1:54 PM

"I'll let those who wish to waste their time fact check what else you posted. Me, I know you post subjectively (to confuse an issue so people believe an untruth) so I won't waste my time further."

Yes, I did just that, wasted my time I mean, but to prove a point.

Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994.
Source: BING search; Wikipedia on NAFTA.

The point you make about our little comrades is spot on; they often conflate information to confound and confuse and present it as fact......i.e.

Hillary's decades long "lying" record:

"And she has a decades-long history of lying about her positions on free-trade agreements. And she has a decades-long history of lying about Libya, and Ukraine, and Syria ... and Russia.

The very structure of that sentence is factually wrong. For one, the NAFTA agreement was championed by her husband, Bill Clinton as POTUS. Backed by both sides of the aisle as shown above. Hillary had nothing to do with it, but you knew that (and so do they). She may have supported it, that's about as far as one could take it. And (b), Libya, Ukraine, Syria and Russia all happened within the last 5 years. I know it's a technicality, but you know how our "friends" profusely expound upon their presentation of the "facts"; so I'm splitting hairs here.

Then they complete their confusing contributions by claiming that certain
media outlets provide few facts, thereby nullifying any contributions others may make in presenting their arguments. An old T-Bag tactic. The MSM argument is just such a misleading POV. All media, including our good friends at Fox, are mainstream (they are owned and operated by giant media moguls who put forth their own biases and prejudices).

That, of course, is different than having a candidate standing at a podium and lying through their teeth. That is a fact that cannot be denied, no matter who the politico is. If one wishes to claim Hillary is a liar and cannot be trusted, that's hyperbole and opinion, not fact and cannot be enter as such unless one has incontrovertible proof. I'm talking smoking gun proof. Otherwise it's assumption, inference......not fact. Funny, the FBI investigated, but did not arrest or recommend prosecution. Odd, because
there are those that suggest that "crooked" Hillary is so powerful that she can "influence" the FBI.

We all know that life exists on other planets, but...............


SGG

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Wednesday, August 3, 2016 6:28 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

This election is over. This proves his stupidity and how dangerous it would be to elect this moron to anything. If the Republican party doesn't split from Trump they are doomed as well.

Don't being going there because Trump still has a pretty good chance of becoming President. I think it is significant that Trump's chance of winning is the same chance as losing at a game of Russian Roulette with two bullets in the revolver -- 33.3%. If I were Putin, I would try to put another Trump brand bullet or two in the six-shooter in hopes that the USA would pull the trigger.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:32 PM

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If I were Putin, I would try to put another Trump brand bullet or two in the six-shooter in hopes that the USA would pull the trigger.
SECOND, still on the crazy-bus.

You really believe that, don't you? Holy shit, SECOND, whatever happened to your reasonableness?

And that picture that you posted???

It applies to you. YOU'RE the one calling Trump a Hitler, and YOU'RE the one backing a candidate who compared Putin to Hitler. The person throwing around those "Hitler" comparisons is you and your candidate, dearie.

You've just demonstrated another liberal-logic-fail.

But I've discovered that if you scratch a liberal, what do you find under the skin? A dictator!





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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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