COUP...TURKEY

POSTED BY: THGRRI
UPDATED: Friday, March 28, 2025 16:44
VIEWED: 4802
PAGE 4 of 4

PREV PAGE 1 2 3 4

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:45 PM

Quote:
So just what are witnessing here. Is it a failed coup of a few, or a leader destroying the rule of law, ending democracy in his country and becoming a dictator?

All of the above? And with the support of "the people" apparently.

--------------
I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:52 PM

WikiLeaks Dumps ‘Erdogan Emails’ After Turkey’s Failed Coup
https://www.wired.com/2016/07/wikileaks-dumps-erdogan-emails-turkeys-f
ailed-coup/?mbid=social_fb

....
On Tuesday, WikiLeaks published what it’s calling the Erdogan Emails, a searchable collection of 294,548 emails it says are leaked from the AKP, Turkey’s ruling political party, and the organization president Erdogan led before he was elected president. Turkish citizens and the world community are still struggling to understand the context of Turkey’s coup and the crackdown that’s followed, all of which could make this alleged Erdogan leak more significant than the secret-spilling group’s average data dump. However, at the time of writing, it’s not at all clear yet what exactly the Turkish-language megaleak contains, or if the emails are what Wikileaks claims they are.

“The material was obtained a week before the attempted coup. However, WikiLeaks has moved forward its publication schedule in response to the government’s post-coup purges,” reads a note posted with the release on WikiLeaks’ site. “We have verified the material and the source, who is not connected, in any way, to the elements behind the attempted coup, or to a rival political party or state.”

The dump arrives at an incredibly sensitive time for Erdogan’s regime, in the wake of an attempted coup by a faction of the Turkish military, who Erdogan accuses of being loyal to US-based cleric Fethullah Gülen. Erdogan, on vacation in the south of the country at the time, called on Turkish citizens to take to the streets to stand up for democracy via an iPhone held to a TV camera. They listened, flooding into Istanbul and Ankara and blocking the military’s tanks and even capturing its soldiers.

In the wake of that failed putsch, some international observers have wondered whether Erdogan may have allowed the coup attempt or even somehow planned it. What we do know is that he’s now using it as justification to seize more control of the Turkey’s teetering democracy and punish his political foes. Erdogan’s regime responded in the following days by arresting 3,000 members of the military and as many judges and prosecutors, along with as many as 15,000 university staffers. He’s even said he’s considering reinstating the death penalty. European Union Commissioner Johannes Hahn, who handled Turkey’s bid to join the EU, said Monday that the regime seemed to have lists of arrests prepared since even before the coup.

According to Wikileaks, the data dump includes years of emails, some as recent as July 6, that may shed some light on those conspiracy theories. But whether Turkish citizens will actually be able to read WikiLeaks’ revelations is a separate question. The country’s government has a habit of throttling access to key websites during moments of political crisis, and blocked YouTube, Twitter and Facebook in the first hours of the attempted coup, before relenting to allow protestors to access the sites.

As of Tuesday afternoon, WikiLeaks wasn’t blocked or throttled in Turkey, the Turkish censorship monitoring group Turkey Blocks tells WIRED. But WikiLeaks has said in its Twitter feed that it’s been under sustained cyberattacks—likely floods of junk web traffic known as distributed denial of service attacks—since Monday, seemingly an effort to take the site offline or prevent its release. In fact, by early Tuesday evening the Erdogan Emails were suddenly behind a password login, which Wikileaks tells WIRED was the result of a DDoS attack.

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 31, 2016 6:25 AM

OK, so now I get to put some thoughts together on the failed Turkish coup.

This is one of those cases where everyone has a story to tell, not necessarily true, and some stories have been changed midstream.

I guess the first story to parse is Erdogan's.

During the NATO destruction of Libya, Saudi Arabia and Qatar got into competition supplying arms to their jihadist forces on the ground. I recall posting an article which detailed the approx 78 planeloads of arms being shipped THRU TURKISH AIRPORTS to Libyan extremists. (Qatar won, btw.)

Now, since Turkey is a NATO country it's certain that NATO was well aware of the arms being shipped through Turkey.

Then, once Libya was destroyed, the CIA started shipping arms again out of Benghazi to Syria, ONCE AGAIN THRU TURKEY.

The Syrian Sarin gas attack, a false flag blamed on Assad and designed to bring the USA into the war, was probably abetted through the Turkish border.

Turkey also maintained an open corridor to ISIL in Syria, allowing arms and fresh ISIL fighters to pass in one direction while allowing wounded ISIL fighters in for treatment. Erdogan's son, Balil, made a lot of money trading ISIL oil thru Turkey (as well as Kurdish oil from Iraq).

And finally, the Turkish airforce shot down an Russian fighter jet over Syria, and shot at and killed the pilot as he drifted down on a chute.

Overall, you could make a case that Erdogan was enthusiastically involved in destroying Syria, even to the point of providing significant support for ISIL.

At the same time, however, Turkey was negotiating major gas pipelines with both Russia and the west. The shoot-down of the Russian jet put a major kibosh on the deal.

However, the narrative starts falling apart when Turkey's apparently moderate, pro-western PM, Davutoglu, resigns. ISIL attacks start up afterwards. Erdogan also steps up his military campaign against the Kurds in his nation at the same time the US-backed Kurds in Syria start making significant progress.

Erdogan then makes several significant foreign policy moves, extending a hand of peace to Israel and Iran, and apologizing for (or at least regretting) the Russian jet shoot-down. Almost immediately afterwards, an attempted coup is sprung, and fails.

Post-coup, Turkey repeatedly encircles NATO's AFB at Incirlik (which is once again surrounded by Turkish troops), accuses the USA of fomenting the coup, formally requests the extradition of Gulen, and moves closer to Russia. Erdogan's story NOW is that the pilot who shot down the Russian jet was a pro-western traitor who did so without orders. NOW he blames his pro-ISIL activities on the USA.

None of these are coincidences, and clearly, there is more going on than pro-or-anti-ISIL, more than pro-or-anti-Assad.

BUT, I have things I have to get to NOW, so ... more later!

--------------
I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

SIGNYM

Monday, August 1, 2016 2:38 PM

SO, to continue.

While one could make the case that Erdogan was relentlessly pro-ISIL/ anti-Assad, that doesn't explain his activity supporting the destruction of Libya. In the short run, Erdogan stood to gain NOTHING from gun-running for the various jihadist groups in Libya. And unless he was "read into" some longer-term plan (assurances that those guns would be returning to Syria) and/or was accepting bribes I can't see any benefit to him or his power base in regards to Libya. So his gun-running into Libya wasn't really for his benefit, but it might have been overlooked -or even encouraged- by the USA CIA and State Dept neocons who were driving that particular bus.

----------

USA role seems quite a bit clearer. The USA has long used various jihadists to do its dirty work in toppling the various (secular) regimes that it didn't like. It's not particularly picky about WHICH horse it's riding ... whether the mujahideen or warlords or ISIL.... as long as the horse gets it closer to the finish line. The mujahideen were extremely useful against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Embedded within the mujahideen was Osama bin Laden and the progenitor of al Qaeda. That group of Arabs (not native Afghanis) also proved useful against Russia in Chechnya.

Now, for various reasons the USA got a grotch against Libya (probably because Qaddafi was planning a gold-based African currency .... and he had the gold to do it) so the USA turned NATO and al Qaida on Libya. But Syria was also in the cross-hairs, and it was only a matter of time until both USA weaponry and jihadists were turned on Syria as well. Saudi Arabia had, for whatever reason, a particular urgency to topple Assad, and tried to manipulate the USA into bombing Assad by constructing a Sarin "gas attack" which was supposed to be a "red line". When Obama failed to take the bait, Saudi Arabia was probably disappointed.

In any case, the USA was backing various proxy groups in Syria ... ISIL, by failing to officially noticed the supplies that NATO member Turkey was trading for oil, al Qaida, and the various stripes of native Sunni extremists who came out of the woodwork in support of Sunni jihadism, under the guise of supporting "moderate rebels". However, neither group ultimately was able to turn the tide, so the USA backed another proxy group- the Kurds- and this is what probably created the rift between Turkey and the USA.

--------------
I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 12, 2024 7:38 AM

more like Coup Syria?

How Turkey Won the Syrian Civil War
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/turkey/how-turkey-won-syrian-civil-war

Turkey's Erdogan issues chilling comment about Putin in snub to the West
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1986714/turkeys-erdogan-vladimir-
putin-syria-assad

With Assad’s Fall, Erdogan Oversees Turkey’s Growing Regional Clout
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/assad-fall-erdogan-oversees-turkey-050000949
.html

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, March 28, 2025 4:44 PM

Erdogan’s jailed rival says his lawyer has now been arrested

https://www.politico.eu/article/istanbul-mayor-ekrem-imamoglu-lawyer-m
ehmet-pehlivan-arrested-turkey/

PREV PAGE 1 2 3 4