Hillary Clinton: just because she deserves her own thread

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Nishimura and Martha Steward learned to their sorry that stalling tactics which delay an official investigation will get you prosecuted.

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You mean, Hillary wasn't stalling when she stood up and lied ... and lied... and lied ...under oath to Congress?

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Um, sorry SIG but Hillary was sitting. That said, lets see what the Republicans do next.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Yanno what, SECOND? You're just stuck on Hillary. You love that witch, no matter WHAT she does! There is literally nothing that she could do that would sway your vote: Hillary just HAS to win, IYHO.

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Hillary gives me a headache. Bill should drop dead. That's what I think of the Clintons, but Trump is a refrigerator full of perishable food that has been without electricity for a month. When you open the Trump door the stench makes my eyes water.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The most concise explanation of Hillary's NEGATIVE effect on Dem party chances came from- of all places- that bastion of Dem worship: NPR. What they said was that with ALL of Tump's negatives .... and there are MANY ... Hillary should be doing much MUCH better than Trump, and much better than she is. And the reason why she isn't doing better is because she has a ton of negatives on her own side: according to the polls, people just don't trust her. (And IMHO they shouldn't)

Now, I'm going to go back to my original question, which I don't think was answered sufficiently: WHY does the Democratic Party feel compelled to jam Hillary down our throats? If they were just looking at the polls and desiring a Dem "win", why not nominate Sanders?

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For truth, Hillary received 16 million votes to Sander's 13 million. Blame the 16 million voters. They crammed Hillary down your throat. I did not vote for Hillary, by the way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,
_2016

And this News Flash makes me believe that Hillary could beat Trump:
The Gap Between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump Is Steadily Growing
Kevin Drum, Jul. 8, 2016

For what it's worth, here's how Pollster's head-to-head matchups between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have evolved since the beginning of the year. Hillary's support has been pretty stable, while Trump's has declined steadily. He doesn't have much time left to turn that trend around.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/07/gap-between-hillary-clinton-and
-donald-trump-steadily-growing

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"Vote your conscience? I say you can use any criteria you please: party affiliation, coin flip, self interest, what ever."

I was responding to the dilemma expressed in a particular post, not bleating generic talking points, like you. Do try to keep up.

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Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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For what it's worth...- SECOND

Yeah, not worth much. I'm pretty sure you understand at this point SIGNYM is not interested in anything but pain for the US via a Trump presidency, right... GSTRING, WITH SHIT ALL OVER IT

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Wow, GSTRING, you accuse me of wanting to causing the USA pain??? You're a sick twisted fuck, yanno? I have never wanted anything for the USA except BETTER.

What you are, son, is stuck in your own shit.

"Change"? It's something you can't handle.

"Differences"? You're all good with that unless you run into someone who's different than you.

"Democracy"? You're all for it, unless it generates results you don't like.

"Individualism"? "Acceptance"? Only if it's for you and people like you.

But watch someone cross you, or disagree with you and watch all the nastiness ooze out. Turns out, you're not such a liberal as you think you are. You'll make up whole-cloth shit, don't you? Yes, of course you do!

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I think maybe that your answer is swayed by the age breakdown of the Brexit vote, generally that young people voted for the EU, older people voted to leave the EU.

You interpret this as a reaction to "change", which - IYHO- old people don't handle as well.

Let me give you a different example of "change": Climate change.

Young people are already inured to the current level of environmental degradation. Older people remember a different circumstance. If older people vote to return the environment to what it was before, and young people vote to "remain", does that mean that older people are reacting to "change" - a generic "future shock"? Or are they reacting to a worsening of circumstances? And does that mean that young people handle "change" better, or are they just stuck on the circumstance that they already know?

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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For what it's worth...- SECOND

Yeah, not worth much. I'm pretty sure you understand at this point SIGNYM is not interested in anything but pain for the US via a Trump presidency, right... - GSTRING

Wow, GSTRING, you accuse me of wanting to causing the USA pain??? You're a sick twisted fuck, yanno? I have never wanted anything for the USA except BETTER.
What you are, son, is stuck in your own shit.
"Change"? It's something you can't handle.
"Differences"? You're all good with that unless you run into someone who's different than you.
"Democracy"? You're all for it, unless it generates results you don't like.
"Individualism"? "Acceptance"? Only if it's for you and people like you.- SIGNY

if you're going to make stuff up at least make it more interesting and less easy to dismiss

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I don't make stuff up, son, that's your department. I've posted over and over, at length, over years, what I think the USA needs to do to head in a direction that's better for EVERYONE, not just TPTB. But since you really don't have any thoughts on THE TOPIC you just decide make shit up about my motives and my character, just like you make shit up about world events.

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But watch someone cross you, or disagree with you and watch all the nastiness ooze out. Turns out, you're not such a liberal as you think you are. You'll make up whole-cloth shit, don't you? Yes, of course you do!

I think maybe that your answer is swayed by the age breakdown of the Brexit vote, generally that young people voted for the EU, older people voted to leave the EU.

You interpret this as a reaction to "change", which - IYHO- old people don't handle as well.

Let me give you a different example of "change": Climate change.

Young people are already inured to the current level of environmental degradation. Older people remember a different circumstance. If older people vote to return the environment to what it was before, and young people vote to "remain", does that mean that older people are reacting to "change" - a generic "future shock"? Or are they reacting to a worsening of circumstances? And does that mean that young people handle "change" better, or are they just stuck on the circumstance that they already know?

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets. - SIGNY

Wah - talk about someone oozing... nice little misdirection rant btw.- GSTRING

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What are you even talking about here? How does this relate to Trumpdiddy and Broomhillary?- GSTRING

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People who are stuck on Hillary are afraid of change. She promises more of the same.

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"Change"? It's something you can't handle- SIGNY
I love change- GSTRING

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Unless it's change you dislike, and then you fight it tooth and nail. Someone other than a globalist neocon faux-liberal might get elected? You shit your pants. Nations might want to break away from previous associations? You hate it. You've been fighting change in every thread that you post.

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"Differences"? You're all good with that unless you run into someone who's different than you. - SIGNY
I love different= GSTRING

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BUT ONLY if they agree with you. I'm different. I'm not a liberal, and you absolutely cannot handle that. I have a different view on how the USA needs to get better, and the only thing you can do is the THUGR equivalent of calling me a "commie troll", just using more words. You're so discombobulated by my difference, you can'

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I've posted over and over, at length, over years, what I think the USA needs to do to head in a direction that's better for EVERYONE, not just TPTB. But since you really don't have any thoughts on THE TOPIC you just decide make shit up about my motives and my character, just like you make shit up about world events.

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Signym, are you aware that your ramblings remind me of, but not half as funny as, Barrett Brown? Here is Brown’s story about the level of “discussion” in prison. It is at the level of fireflyfans.net.

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/09/barrett-brown-the-fact-of-sisyphus/
There is one common Special Housing Unit (SHU) activity in which I do happily participate, though, simply because it’s something that can’t be done elsewhere and naturally I’m trying to experience all the touristy prison things before my release just in case I don’t come back for a while. The SHU is the only place of which I’m aware where it’s socially acceptable to yell random nonsense where other people can hear it. Now, much of the yelling that people do through gaps under the door or the crack between the door and its mounting or the metal grills that serve as windows in some units, as the case may be, is entirely purposeful communication consisting of gossip, plots, threats, lyrics, Symbionese Liberation Army slogans, vows, requests, and commercial offers, and this sort of thing will go on throughout the day, with peak times occurring after meals and other periods when everyone tends to be awake (as to how those commercial offers are accepted, there is a process known as “fishing” or “shooting the line” by which small items may be transferred among inmates, but a full column’s description will be required to do it justice; suffice it to say that string and persistence are involved).

But in addition to all of this more or less mundane intercourse, there’s also a wholly distinct and inimitable element of shouting-for-the-sake-of-shouting. Some of this takes the form of memes; at Seagoville Federal Detention Center, for instance, the guards once brought in a drunk off the compound who, after being placed in his cell, spent the next hour banging on the door and yelling out some sloshy, inconsequential narrative that he would punctuate every few sentences with the refrain, “They hear me but they don’t FEEL me, though!” Thereafter this phrase became a very popular meme that would be shouted out several times a day; it had been incorporated into the vibrant oral culture of our particular SHU corridor.

But SHU shouts can be, and often are, more or less apropos of nothing. I myself was fond of drinking six or seven lukewarm cups of the freeze-dried instant coffee we can buy from the weekly commissary cart, going up to the door grill, and calling out in a raspy, feminine voice, “My brother is coming … with MANY FREMEN WARRIORS” about 20 or 30 times in a row, often capped off with a triumphant, “Meet the Atreides Gom Jabbar, grandfather!” And it wouldn’t occur to anyone to inquire as to why I’d done this; people in the SHU wake up every morning with a sort of preternatural awareness that someone could start yelling out lines from David Lynch’s highly underrated 1984 film version of Dune at any moment and will either assume that the yeller needed to do this to feel self-actualized or, alternatively, that he’s one of the untold thousands of mentally ill prisoners whom U.S. prison authorities have allowed to languish in punishment cells for years on end (though in my case, people tended to recognize me by voice as the guy who was always kicking around the deflated basketball and calling for death to the fascist insect that preys on the life of the people).

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Signym, are you aware that your ramblings remind me of, but not half as funny as, Barrett Brown?

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And yet, these are "ramblings" that you can't properly address:

How do you feel about international trade agreement ajudications which affect environmental, safety, health, and worker rights that are decided in private trade tribunals? Are your for them, or against them?

How do you feel about international banks which impose "austerity" on a population, no matter what the population votes for as economic policy? For it, or against it?

How do you feel about non-democratic international political organizations which impose a quota of refugees (which were created by a foreign policy which the imposed-on nations had no hand in creating or implementing) no matter WHAT is desired by their people? For it, or against it?

How do you feel about nations "intervening" in others, willy-nilly, destroying governments and creating chaos everywhere they go? For it, or against it?

"More of the same". For it, or against it?


I'm pleased that you compare me to Barret Brown, and I feel rather proud of the fact that you think that I'm "rambling". I used to think that way about DREAMTROVE. And yet, many years later, what he posted turned out to be insightful. Prophetic, even. But I'm beginning to understand why DREAMTROVE, FREM, SUCCOTASH, BYTEMITE, and so many interesting people left.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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HERE IS THE DRAFT DNC PLATFORM

It's available elsewhere, but not in a clean format. There are a lot of "Democrats believe" and "we will" and "we must" but not much indication of HOW they intend to accomplish their goals. Maybe that's typical of party platforms.

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Preamble
In 2016, Democrats meet in Philadelphia with the same basic belief that animated the Continental Congress when they gathered here 240 years ago: Out of many, we are one. Under President Obama’s leadership, and thanks to the hard work and determination of the American people, we have come a long way from the Great Recession and the Republican policies that triggered it. We have seen 75 straight months of private-sector job growth and added 14.5 million new

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low wage

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jobs. Twenty million people have gained health insurance coverage. The American auto industry just had its best year ever. We are getting more of our energy from the sun and wind, and importing less oil from overseas. But too many Americans have been left out and left behind. They are working longer hours with less security. Wages have barely budged and the racial wealth gap remains wide, while the cost of everything from childcare to a college education has continued to rise. And as working people struggle, the top one percent accrues more wealth and more power. Republicans in Congress have chosen gridlock and dysfunction over trying to find solutions to the real challenges we face. It’s no wonder that so many feel like the system is rigged against them. Democrats believe that cooperation is better than conflict, unity is better than division, empowerment is better than resentment, and bridges are better than walls. It’s a simple but powerful idea: we are stronger together. Democrats believe we are stronger when we have an economy that works for everyone—an economy that grows incomes for working people, creates good-paying jobs, and puts a middle- class life within reach for more Americans. We need an economy that prioritizes long-term investment over short-term profit-seeking, rewards the common interest over self-interest, and promotes innovation and entrepreneurship. We believe that today’s extreme level of income and wealth inequality—where the majority of the economic gains go to the top one percent and the richest 20 people in our country own more wealth than the bottom 150 million—makes our economy weaker, our communities poorer, and our politics poisonous. And we know that our nation’s long struggle with race is far from over. More than half a century after Rosa Parks sat and Dr. King marched and John Lewis bled, more than half a century after César Chávez and Dolores Huerta organized, race still plays a significant role in determining who gets ahead in America and who gets left behind. We must face that reality and we must fix it. We believe a good education is a basic right of all Americans, no matter what zip code they live in.

We will end the school-to-prison pipeline and build a cradle-to-college pipeline instead, where every child can live up to his or her God-given potential. We believe in helping Americans balance work and family without fear of punishment or penalty. We believe in at last guaranteeing equal pay for women. And as the party that created Social Security, we believe in protecting every American’s right to retire with dignity. And we firmly believe that the greed, recklessness, and illegal behavior on Wall Street must be brought to an end. Wall Street must never again be allowed to threaten families and businesses on Main Street. Democrats believe we are stronger when we protect citizens’ right to vote, not corporations’ and billionaires’ right to buy elections. We will bring an end to the broken campaign finance system, overturn the disastrous Citizens United decision, restore the full power of the Voting Rights Act, and return our elections to the American people. Democrats believe that climate change poses a real and urgent threat to our economy, our national security, and our chil

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