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Hillary Clinton: just because she deserves her own thread

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Monday, July 4, 2016 1:45 PM

Lynch is the AG. Hillary is under CRIMINAL investigation by the FBI. SHOULD charges be filed, they would be filed out of Lynch's office. And Bill met with Lynch privately, on a private plane, for a private chat. I thought the 'snakes on a plane' captured the situation perfectly.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/bill-clinton-loretta-lynch/
Bill Clinton meeting causes headaches for Hillary

Even some Democrats say the optics don't look good.
Sen. Chris Coons, D-Delaware, said he believes Lynch will remain objective in her role but would have advised against the meeting, which he says sends the wrong signal even if it was "a brief, casual, social meeting with the former president."

According to a law enforcement official familiar with the matter, the former president saw Lynch's plane on the tarmac and walked onto her aircraft.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, July 4, 2016 1:50 PM

At least 43.3 million Americans had student loan debt as of the end of 2014, according to Federal Reserve Bank of New York figures. This number has likely increased since then.





http://www.salon.com/2016/06/28/clintons_pledge_to_forgive_student_deb
t_of_entrepreneurs_not_average_workers_will_benefit_the_elite
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Clinton’s pledge to forgive student debt of entrepreneurs, not average workers, will benefit the elite

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton has pledged to help forgive the student loans of entrepreneurs and small business owners, yet has not made similar promises to help forgive the student debt of average workers.

Clinton released her Initiative on Technology & Innovation on Tuesday. It reflects her neoliberal, technocratic vision of the economy.

In the initiative, Clinton outlines her plan to “support young entrepreneurs.” As president, she says she would allow entrepreneurs to forgo paying their student student loans for up to three years, “so they can get their ventures off the ground and help drive the innovation economy.” Moreover, “innovators who start social enterprises or new businesses in distressed communities,” Clinton adds, can apply for forgiveness of up to $17,500 of their student loans after five years.

Clinton has not made similar promises to help average working-class Americans with crippling student debt. ...

At first glance, Clinton’s new policy might sound like a good idea, but, simply by virtue of how entrepreneurship works, it will inevitably disproportionately benefit the elite. Entrepreneurs employ people ... Clinton’s policy will help ease the student loans of these workers’ bosses, while employees are crushed under the enormous weight of their student debt.

At least 43.3 million Americans had student loan debt as of the end of 2014, according to Federal Reserve Bank of New York figures. This number has likely increased since then. There is approximately $1.2 trillion of student debt in the U.S. today. ...

An entire generation has effectively been indentured with voluminous debt that they are unable to declare bankruptcy on. Millions of average workers will fall through the cracks in these policies.

In fact, in the shorter version of Clinton’s technology initiative, she does not even acknowledge the employees of the entrepreneurs she pledges to help.

In the longer version, Clinton mentions employees just once, saying she “will explore a similar deferment incentive not just to founders of enterprises, but to early joiners — such as the first 10 or 20 employees.”

Note: Clinton solely pledged to “explore” a similar initiative for average workers — she made no promises to help them in the way that she has promised to help their bosses.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, July 4, 2016 2:02 PM




http://www.salon.com/2016/07/02/clinton_wrong_on_student_debt_her_new_
plan_shows_she_learned_nothing_from_the_primary
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Clinton wrong on student debt: Her new plan shows she learned nothing from the primary

Looking past the election, one question for Democrats is how they’re going to try to turn Bernie Sanders voters into reliable votes for years to come, as evidenced by this vulturous piece in Politico from April. If they’re looking for an issue to do just that, they need look no further than student loan debt: the Sanders campaign’s base was 18- to 29-year-olds, and 42 percent of all 18- to 29-year-olds report having debt, according to a Harvard poll. (The same poll found that 62 percent of Democrats and 57 percent of Republicans polled said student loan debt is a “major problem.”)

This week, Clinton unveiled another initiative to both alleviate the student loan burden and increase the number of young entrepreneurs, and fell horribly flat. ... her campaign showed that it learned absolutely nothing from a primary where a former Secretary of State was almost upended by a 74-year-old socialist with virtually no ties to the party’s power brokers.

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It’s clear where this kind of thinking comes from: During the primary, a key Clinton argument against Sanders was that he’s too “pure” to do any of the dealmaking with Republicans that’ll be required of the next president, and it’s true that free tuition at public universities won’t get anywhere soon in a Congress full of Republicans and Third Way Democrats. But if Clinton’s position on negotiating some sort of relief plan starts out with such questionable benefits for a small portion of young people, what does a compromise with Republicans look like? $5,000 in loan forgiveness after 10 years? A one-year deferment instead of three years?

And that’s where the problem with this sort of incrementalism, exemplified by the Clinton deferment plan, lies: it’s such a tiny change that you’re not sure if it’s moving forward or backward, and after it gets put through the ringer in Congress — assuming it even gets to that stage — what net benefit young people stood to gain will be even smaller. Instead of a broad plan to relieve student loan debt, or even a proposal to cut interest rates on federal loans, Clinton wants to tackle a symptom — millennials aren’t starting businesses — of the problem: they don’t have any money.





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, July 4, 2016 7:53 PM

I don't know what Trump will do or won't do. I DO know what Hillary will do: Hillary is a globalist. Trump may- or may not- be one. I'm choosing the loose cannon over the aimed gun any day.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Monday, July 4, 2016 9:03 PM

Huma Abedin admits that Clinton [illegally] burned daily schedules

Quote:

Hillary Clinton’s closest aide revealed in a deposition last week that her boss destroyed at least some of her schedules as secretary of state — a revelation that could complicate matters for the presumptive Democratic nominee, who, along with the State Department she ran, is facing numerous lawsuits seeking those public records.

Huma Abedin was deposed in connection with a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit into Clinton’s emails — but her admission could be relevant to another lawsuit seeking Clinton’s schedules.

“If there was a schedule that was created that was her Secretary of State daily schedule, and a copy of that was then put in the burn bag, that .?.?. that certainly happened on .?.?. on more than one occasion,” Abedin told lawyers representing Judicial Watch, the conservative organization behind the emails lawsuit.

Abedin made the surprising admission in response to a question about document destruction at the Department of State. A lawyer for Judicial Watch asked: “And during your tenure at the State Department, were you aware of your obligation not to delete federal records or destroy federal records?”


http://nypost.com/2016/07/04/huma-abedin-admits-that-clinton-burned-da
ily-schedules
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Just as an aside, working as I do at a government agency, we ALL know about record-retention, down to the lowest employee. It would be incomprehensible that Hillary, a long-time Senator, wife of a former President, and fully-read-in head of the State Department, "not know" about record retention.

So that explains her 30,000 deleted emails and her incomplete submitted schedules and her burned daily ones? This woman is clearly "cleaning up" her data.

Just OOC, I wonder if the FBI has tried a forensic reconstruction of her server's hard drives. If they have ... and if the drives are unreadable ... that certainly implies that the erasure was more than just casual, because it takes a lot of rewrites to fully eliminate data from a disc.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Monday, July 4, 2016 10:10 PM


One reason for the aggressive tactics is that the state depends on Wall Street investors to finance student loans through tax-exempt bonds and needs to satisfy those investors by keeping losses to a minimum.

When consumer lawyers protested the program’s onerous conditions at a 2014 agency meeting, the agency, according to minutes from the session, said that giving borrowers a break would make the bonds sold to finance loans “less attractive to the ratings agencies and investors.”

Indeed, in a recent bond assessment, the credit rating agency Moody’s cited the authority’s “administrative wage garnishing, which it uses aggressively,” for “significantly higher collections” compared with other programs.


This is something Hillary could fix. But she won't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/04/nyregion/in-new-jersey-student-loan-
program-even-death-may-not-bring-a-reprieve.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0


In New Jersey Student Loan Program, Even Death May Not Bring a Reprieve

Amid a haze of grief after her son’s unsolved murder last year, Marcia DeOliveira-Longinetti faced an endless list of tasks — helping the police gain access to Kevin’s phone and email; canceling his subscriptions, credit cards and bank accounts; and arranging his burial in New Jersey.

And then there were the college loans.

When Ms. DeOliveira-Longinetti called about his federal loans, an administrator offered condolences and assured her the balance would be written off.

But she got a far different response from a New Jersey state agency that had also lent her son money.

“Please accept our condolences on your loss,” a letter from that agency, the Higher Education Student Assistance Authority, said. “After careful consideration of the information you provided, the authority has determined that your request does not meet the threshold for loan forgiveness. Monthly bill statements will continue to be sent to you.”

Ms. DeOliveira-Longinetti, who co-signed on the loans, was shocked and confused. But her experience with the authority, which runs by far the largest state-based student loan program in the country, is hardly an isolated one, an investigation by ProPublica, in collaboration with The New York Times, found.

New Jersey’s loans, which currently total $1.9 billion, are unlike those of any other government lending program for students in the country. They come with extraordinarily stringent rules that can easily lead to financial ruin. Repayments cannot be adjusted based on income, and borrowers who are unemployed or facing other financial hardships are given few breaks.

The loans also carry higher interest rates than similar federal programs. Most significant, New Jersey’s loans come with a cudgel that even the most predatory for-profit players cannot wield: the power of the state. New Jersey can garnish wages, rescind state income tax refunds, revoke professional licenses, even take away lottery winnings — all without having to get court approval.

“It’s state-sanctioned loan-sharking,” Daniel Frischberg, a bankruptcy lawyer, said. “The New Jersey program is set up so that you fail.”

The authority, which boasts in brochures that its “singular focus has always been to benefit the students we serve,” has become even more aggressive in recent years. Interviews with dozens of borrowers, who were among the tens of thousands who have turned to the program, show how the loans have unraveled lives.

The program’s regulations have destroyed families’ credit and forced them to forfeit their salaries. One college graduate declared bankruptcy at age 26 after struggling to repay his debt. The agency filed four simultaneous lawsuits against a 31-year-old paralegal after she fell behind on her payments.

Another borrower, Chris Gonzalez, could not keep up with his loans after he got non-Hodgkin’

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Monday, July 4, 2016 10:34 PM

The UN’s damning report on Israel and torture: The desperate case of Palestinian youth in the occupied territory

http://www.salon.com/2016/06/16/the_uns_damning_report_on_israel_and_t
orture_the_desperate_case_of_palestinian_youth_in_the_occupied_territory
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Just recently, Israel was elected to chair one of the United Nations’ permanent committees — the Sixth Committee, called the “Legal Committee.” It oversees issues related to international law, including human rights issues and issues of decolonization. Israel’s ambassador to the UN, Danny Danon remarked, “I am proud to be the first Israeli elected to this position… Israel is a world leader in international law and in fighting terrorism…We are pleased to have the opportunity to share our knowledge with the countries of the world.” This presents a case of overwhelming contradiction, as Israel itself has been sharply and persistently criticized for violations of human rights and its continued colonial project in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

A recent report by the United Nations Committee Against Torture puts into stark relief the absurd situation we are now in, with Israel chairing a committee that is responsible for, among other things, calling attention to Israel’s violations of human rights and its programmatic colonization of the OPT. The UNCAT meets in Geneva three times a year and examines States’ implementation of and compliance with the Convention on the basis of reports received from the State party as well as from other, independent sources including reports from non-governmental organizations. Just last month it issued its “Concluding Observations [advance unedited version]” of May 13, 2016.

It then enumerates 25 concerns, including allegations of torture and ill-treatment, excessive use of force, coerced evidence, settler violence, house demolitions, and the issue of asylum seekers and refugees. It also “regrets the State party’s continued argument that the Convention does not apply in all the Occupied Territories and notes that this position is contrary to the views of this Committee as set forth in its previous concluding observations (CAT/C/ISR/CO/4, para. 11), other treaty bodies, and the International Court of Justice.” It then “reaffirms that the Convention applies to all territory and persons under the jurisdiction of the State party, including the Occupied Territories.”
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The DCIP/OMCT report notes Israel’s ISA (Israel Security Agency) Law 5762-2002 exempts ISA employees from “criminal or civil responsibility for any act or omission performed in good faith and reasonably (…) within the scope and in performance of” their duty, de facto nullifying any prosecution of ISA interrogators accused of torture.
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Each of these reports, by both the United Nations and by NGOs, brings a spotlight to human rights abuses in Israel; each of these reports expresses dissatisfaction with the State’s response to concerns that have been repeated consistently for years. A culture of despair has grown in this situation where Israel has created and maintained a culture of immunity and unaccountability.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, July 4, 2016 10:39 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/24/politics/hillary-clinton-israel-dnc-plat
form/index.html


Hillary Clinton's views on Israel win out in DNC platform, for now

Advocates for greater recognition of Palestinian positions think that the progressive surge spurred by Bernie Sanders gives them their best shot yet at reorienting the Democratic platform at next month's convention. But they've run into a party establishment that insists the position won't change -- especially with Hillary Clinton, who has deep ties to Israel, at the top of the ticket.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/national-security/

Strengthen alliances. From the Middle East and Asia to Europe and our own hemisphere, Hillary will strengthen the essential partnerships that are a unique source of America’s strength. That’s particularly true of Israel, which is why Hillary will continue to support Israel's ability to defend itself, including with Iron Dome and other defense systems. If anyone challenges Israel’s security, they challenge America’s security.





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:21 AM

I'm like a lot of ex-Republicans: I didn't leave my party. The party left me.

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Tuesday, July 5, 2016 9:27 AM

So I was doing my own analysis of the DNC draft platform, and so far:

More free trade. No repudiation of the TTP, and not a mention of TTIP.

More intervention in the Mideast, especially Syria and Iraq which "must" have more "representative" government- nary a mention of the Gulf State monarchies in that regard.

A focus on Iran as "the" contributor to terrorism, again, not a mention of Saudi Arabia and its significant support of al Qaida and its various terrorist affiliates. In fact, not a mention of Saudi Arabia at all.

Support of Israel in any forum, including the UN and private disinvestment movements. Support of the two-state solution, but not a mention of Israeli settlements in any regard.

DOMESTIC POLITICS
Some interesting concepts like the Postal Service bank.

I'll get to this more completely later, but in general, many promises on domestic policies which a Republican Congress will utterly block, therefore these promises are very safe from a business POV.

But in the area of foreign policy, where Presidents have much more effect, very warlike and interventionist, very globalist.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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