why AI is a bad idea

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SIGNYM

Monday, July 4, 2016 8:49 AM

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I suggest you learn more about AI then. You keep wanting to make these broad statements - "AI bad/AI good" "This ism Good, this ism Bad." Your approach to understanding fails before you get started.- GSTRING

I'm still waiting for you to teach us your superior understanding.- KIKI

Most people would learn something about their subject before declaring it bad. I guess you don't understand the value of research.-GSTRING

Well, thanks to hubby's profession I know people who work on quantum computing and who are true experts, and I have the benefit of their experience. They tend to echo what Stephen Hawking said, and also what KIKI said: there are great risks attached to AI.

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As I said about Isms - it's not so much the Ism as the people enforcing it and the people living in it. Like so many things, it comes down to people. Looks like Stephen Hawking disagrees with you about AI and agrees with me about people:

"Hawking has argued superintelligent artificial intelligence could be pivotal in steering humanity's fate, stating that "the potential benefits are huge... Success in creating AI would be the biggest event in human history. It might also be the last, unless we learn how to avoid the risks."

You know, I realize that you love to dismiss anything that KIKI and I post. Apparently, you'll even disregard anything that Stephen Hawking has said, if it at all parallels anything KIKI might have posted.

So, since you fancy yourself an expert, why don't you detail for us what THE RISKS are, and how we might avoid them. Go listen to a few TED talks if you need to catch up.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

1KIKI

Monday, July 4, 2016 9:01 AM

"Most people would learn something about their subject before declaring it bad."

Ahem. I HAVE. And while I freely admit I'm no expert, I know enough to see that the problem is, what I know today isn't going to be true tomorrow.

So when I think about AI in a human world, I consider something that isn't going to change for a few ten-thousand years - humans. And what we know about humans is that they're inherently faulty, for all the reasons I listed above - AND MORE. And while *a* human might possibly outdo AI for a short while, sooner or later the human's attention will lapse, memory will fail, logic will be overcome by emotion, or some other faltering. And the several humans, or the many humans, will face the same relentless, unfaltering abilities of AI.

Now, AI may not be inherently evil. But it's unpredictable. And that makes it a problem.

BTW, in my response to you, I hid this in black font, b/c I was curious what you would say if I withheld some things. You didn't disappoint, completely unable to add to the topic, but certainly quick on the personal attack.

"What I know about code is that even 'dumb' code is beyond human understanding, because there are too many active feedbacks to even locate them, let alone understand them, or ultimately predict them. What I know about AI (self-modifying code) is that it's already displayed the capacity to learn completely unanticipated solutions outside* of what was originally intended."

But go ahead. You come to the topic with a superior attitude. Let us see why.

* https://techcrunch.com/2013/04/14/nes-robot/
Programmer Creates An AI To (Not Quite) Beat NES Games
Programmer and CMU PhD Tom Murphy created a function to “beat” NES games by watching the score. When the computer did things that raised the score it would learn how to reproduce them again and again, resulting, ultimately, in what amounts to a Super Mario Brothers-playing robot. ... Murphy ran a few other games through it, including Tetris, and found that the program would eventually just pause itself rather than continue playing and lose ...

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

SIGNYM

Monday, July 4, 2016 8:26 PM

Well, you think that you're expert enough to dispute someone else's opinion, in fact several someone else's.

As you know, I dispute A LOT of opinions. OTOH, I'm always ready to back up my disputations! So do your research, and come back with your informed opinion, as opposed to the uniformed opinion (and your visceral hatred) that you usually show up with.

I suppose the lesson of this thread (for you) is that when you have nothing to say, the best option is to STFU.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

SECOND

Tuesday, July 5, 2016 5:19 PM

I read a recent article that Moore’s Law is not feeling well. Actually it said Moore’s Law Is Dead. Now What? The article doesn’t dare be so pessimistic to outright declare that the next 40 years will not see 20 more doublings to a million times more transistors per chip area. But the article does say The continual cramming of more silicon transistors onto chips, known as Moore’s Law, has been the feedstock of exuberant innovation in computing. Now it looks to be slowing to a halt.

“We have to ask, is this going to be a problem for areas like mobile devices, data centers, and self-driving cars?” says Thomas Wenisch, an assistant professor at the University of Michigan. “I think yes, but on different timescales.”
www.technologyreview.com/s/601441/moores-law-is-dead-now-what/

In my opinion there are brilliant engineers and programmers who will grow fabulously wealthy and destroy part of humanity with computer technology as it exists now. Anybody remember Zyklon B? Brilliant technology. Remember long range bombers? Brilliant and killed millions. Automobiles? Killed millions. Tobacco? Millions. Alcohol? Millions dead from a simple technology. So why not let AI kill a few?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B#Corporate_structure_and_marketi
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SECOND

Tuesday, July 5, 2016 9:26 PM

Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking signed the AI Warning letter many years after the TV show Person of Interest premiered in 2011. It is likely that this show motivated them to sign the letter more than their own calm intellectualizing.

There were two AIs on Person of Interest and many assassinations ordered by one AI. The show ended two weeks ago on June 21, 2016, after 103 episodes and 5 seasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)#The_Machi
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www.deviantart.com/art/Serenity-Reality-LG-619384882

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:57 PM

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One of the lessons of this thread is Kiki forms opinions based on what she thinks she already knows.

I'm sorry, but is this supposed to be a point? If you shouldn't form an opinion on what you think you know, what SHOULD you form an opinion on? What you DON'T know??? Well, at least you do follow your own logic: Your opinions are based on what you don't know.

Okay, here's the point you're trying to make: You're trying to say something about "confirmation bias". It's the problem of looking for something that you already recognize or believe. If anyone exhibits confirmation bias, it's you and your two friends. Let me give you a piece of evidence that flies in the face of your beliefs: India and Pakistan just joined the SCO. Add Israel, Syria, and Turkey which just asked to join. Now tell me, son, where does that fit in the pantheon of your so-called unbiased knowledge?

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Another one is you 2 can't stand it when people don't agree with you - out come the insults and the "how dare you!" rants.

Uh huh. Shall I dredge up for you all of the insults that you've liberally spewed the board with? My god, every time I post something you don't know... which is most of the time ... your go-to response is insult. I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine son.

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Bored now.

'Bye. Don't come back unless you have something interesting to say.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 6, 2016 5:29 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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One of the lessons of this thread is Kiki forms opinions based on what she thinks she already knows.
I'm sorry, but is this supposed to be a point? If you shouldn't form an opinion on what you think you know, what SHOULD you form an opinion on? What you DON'T know??? Well, at least you do follow your own logic: Your opinions are based on what you don't know.

Actually, it's a thing we call learning. It's a way of adding knowledge to what we already know and in so doing, we can actually grow our understanding of a subject or topic. I know this will sound a bit radical, but I think we should try and educate ourselves on a topic before we have opinions. Don't get me wrong. People can voice their opinions all they want about things they have no direct, observable knowledge of. I mean, if that weren't the case we'd have so few of your posts to be amused by.

Um, I continue to learn. But in order to learn, one must be able to observe events without bias, which is something you seem incapable of. You troll Twitter for small details which confirm your biases, and reject anything that contradicts your already-formed opinions.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

JO753

Thursday, July 7, 2016 11:13 PM

We dont do a good job uv governing ourselvez so hopefully Collosus happenz befor Skynet.

About that - Kind uv odd that they havent remade Colossus, The Forbin Project yet. Great books, Good movie. With Hollywood desperately digging thru old moviez and TV showz for stuff to make, I'd think this woud hav been dun back wen T2 busted a block.

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JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, June 12, 2025 5:02 AM

deserves a bump, way before voice mimicry in an instant, before AI art and Artificial videos, before Blake Lemoine Google fired the engineer who said AI tech not just intelligence but has feelings, the Turing Test truly passed

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