Bernie Sanders Discussion Thread
POSTED BY: reaverfan
UPDATED: Monday, July 27, 2026 16:39
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I originally posted this under the Hillary thread, under an intense discussion about how undemocratic the Democratic party has become, but it belongs here too:
I heard an interesting live stream yesterday from the Left Forum. One of the speakers was Chris Hedges, who is always worth listening to even if I don't always agree with him.
This professor detailed the surveillances that he and other were under; and not only that he detailed the twists and turns that his lawsuit underwent as the Obama administration ("Democrat") forcefully imposed its will on the courts in favor of more surveillance and indefinite detention without trial.
Hedges had some unkind things to say about Sanders and Sanders' relationship to the Democratic Party. Hedges pointed out that Sanders had supported Bill Clinton (even after NAFTA), and after a list of other examples, described Bernie Sanders' relationship with the Democratic Party as follows (paraphrased):
Sanders is the watchdog of the Democratic Party. The arrangement that Sanders has with the Democratic Party is that they don't make a serious attempt to dislodge him from his seat, and he quashes every other independent candidate in VT.
According to Chris Hedges, who had advised Sanders to run as an Independent, Sanders thought he might really have a chance at winning running on the Democratic ticket. That the anger in Sanders' campaign is genuine, because of the undemocratic processes that are being used against him were unexpected, such as the exclusion of Independent and npp voters from the primaries.
According to Chris Hedges, if Sanders really wants to create a political movement, he has to get out from under the ass (my words) of the Democratic Party, repudiate his pledge to support the Democratic candidate (Hillary) and run under a different political party.
I agree.
The Democratic Party is there to co-opt any movement towards the left, and smother it in Party process. As long as people look to the Democratic Party to fulfill their yearnings for a better society, they'll be constantly thwarted.
I've been looking for a video of the forum, if I find one I'll post a link.
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https://www.rt.com/usa/343942-left-forum-day-two/
from about 42 minutes, but specifically about Sanders from 49:00
"I think Sanders made a disastrous mistake ... Sanders has built a very Faustian bargain with the Democratic Party, he campaigned for Bill Clinton in '92. He campaigned for Clinton in '96- after NAFTA .... after the Omnibus Crime bill .... the deregulation of the FCC which that turned over the airwaves to roughly a half-dozen corporations..."
And a lot more about Sanders.
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I agree with Chris Hedges, he should have run as an independent. At least he would have been more honest about running to his followers. But if you're going to run as a democrat, then maybe he should have read the rules (as I understood it, each state runs the primaries as they see fit. A truly democratic process). Instead, Bernie crows whenever he defeats Hilary and stomps off whenever he doesn't get his way.
So, which is it?
It's like rain, everyone gets wet. Hilary got whupped several times, mostly, if not all, caucuses and took it like a man. Bernie gets his clock cleaned and suddenly everything is rigged against him. The rules of engagement are the same for both.
The complaint by Bernie supporters was that they were not allowed to register as democrats. Really!? When he decided to run as a democrat, why didn't he have his devoted followers immediately venture out and find out when they could register
as democrats? In each state, he does have followers in each state does he not?
When I moved, I immediately found out where I needed to go to vote. My right as an American. Why couldn't Bernie's people alert his followers, go out and multiply, but above all else register as democrats. No, they complain - the system is rigged.
F*ck u............know the rules if you want to play the game. It's as simple as that.
Apparently Bernie felt that he would win as a democrat. I have no words.
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I originally posted this under the Hillary thread, under an intense discussion about how undemocratic the Democratic party has become, but it belongs here too:
I heard an interesting live stream yesterday from the Left Forum. One of the speakers was Chris Hedges, who is always worth listening to even if I don't always agree with him.
This professor detailed the surveillances that he and other were under; and not only that he detailed the twists and turns that his lawsuit underwent as the Obama administration ("Democrat") forcefully imposed its will on the courts in favor of more surveillance and indefinite detention without trial.
Hedges had some unkind things to say about Sanders and Sanders' relationship to the Democratic Party. Hedges pointed out that Sanders had supported Bill Clinton (even after NAFTA), and after a list of other examples, described Bernie Sanders' relationship with the Democratic Party as follows (paraphrased):
Sanders is the watchdog of the Democratic Party. The arrangement that Sanders has with the Democratic Party is that they don't make a serious attempt to dislodge him from his seat, and he quashes every other independent candidate in VT.
According to Chris Hedges, who had advised Sanders to run as an Independent, Sanders thought he might really have a chance at winning running on the Democratic ticket. That the anger in Sanders' campaign is genuine, because of the undemocratic processes that are being used against him were unexpected, such as the exclusion of Independent and npp voters from the primaries.
According to Chris Hedges, if Sanders really wants to create a political movement, he has to get out from under the ass (my words) of the Democratic Party, repudiate his pledge to support the Democratic candidate (Hillary) and run under a different political party.
I agree.
The Democratic Party is there to co-opt any movement towards the left, and smother it in Party process. As long as people look to the Democratic Party to fulfill their yearnings for a better society, they'll be constantly thwarted.
I've been looking for a video of the forum, if I find one I'll post a link.
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Bernie Sanders Is Switching Teams
Bernie Sanders says he'd be delighted to debate Donald Trump:
Game on. I look forward to debating Donald Trump in California before the June 7 primary.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) May 26, 2016
I am delighted that @realDonaldTrump has agreed to debate. Let’s do it in the biggest stadium possible. — Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) May 26, 2016
A debate like this would (a) help Trump and (b) hurt Hillary. That's it. That's all it would do. And Bernie is all in.
Is Bernie really so aggrieved that he's now willing to explicitly campaign on Trump's behalf? Because that's all this is. What happened to the old Bernie Sanders?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh, let me just run the arithmetic.
The numbers are in flux, but after Kentucky and Oregon Clinton has about 1,767 delegates while Sanders has about 1,488. It takes 2,383 for nomination. Polls for California have been all over the map (so to speak), but assuming Clinton has a 10% lead, California would net her 329, bringing her up to roughly 2100. So even with California in the bag with a 10% lead, according to HOW PEOPLE VOTED, Clinton couldn't get the nomination.
With Bernie at 1499 and Hilliary at 1771 and the majority needed at 2384, even if Hilliary gets all of CA, she would not have enough elected delegates for majority. And almost nobody thinks she will get even half of CA delegates.
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I have been wondering about the unclear direction the Dems were taking with Hilliary, Bernie, her indictment. What were they planning to do, and when.
Now I have heard a credible scenario. This is not a prediction, merely a projection of how things might play out.
Obama is horrified of Hilliary dismantling his legacy. he will allow the indictment to come out, but he is controlling the pace and timing.
If Hilliary is indicted before the convention, Bernie will need to be the candidate or the riots will be 5 times worse than 1968.
So Hilliary must take care of Bernie at the Convention. Then Hilliary's indictment will come down, and they can slip in Plugs Biden as the candidate to replace candidate Hilliary.
I suppose that sounds like an actual plan to deal with things. It sort of puts things into order.
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How many more states will Bernie win today? All 6?
I have heard reports that he'll win all 6, or else only 5.
But all polls show him behind Hilliary in CA - and we all know they are never biased, trying to convince non-Hilliary voters to stay home, give up.
When was the last time a Democrat candidate who won the CA primary was not the nominee?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
How many more states will Bernie win today? All 6?
I have heard reports that he'll win all 6, or else only 5.
But all polls show him behind Hilliary in CA - and we all know they are never biased, trying to convince non-Hilliary voters to stay home, give up.
When was the last time a Democrat candidate who won the CA primary was not the nominee?
Sounds like Bernie won 2 of the six states on Tuesday, and barely lost South Dakota but evenly splitting the delegates with 10 to each Hilliary and Bernie.
So Bernie won a total of 22 States and Hilliary has won 28.
With 2382 delegates needed to win, Hilliary has won 2203 and Bernie 1828. The only primaries remaining are the District of Columbia next week, and then Hilliary's Email Primary, date TDB.
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Poor Bernie- he caved.
How can you helm a "political revolution" when you're a creampuff? Isn't the idea of a "revolution" to overturn the current power structure?
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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Yesterday Bernie abandoned any principles and capitulated to the Co-Perpetrator-in-Chief.
A shame. For many, his principles were what set him apart.
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