Bernie Sanders Discussion Thread
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Comparing re-elections to non-incumbent elections is poor practice.
Past failed re-elections:
1. Bush41 in 1992, with Perot splitting the majority vote.
2. The disastrous Carter in 1980.
Bumbling LBJ did not even try in 1968.
Truman did not try in 1952.
3. Hoover in 1932. I doubt anybody here remembers voting in this election.
Ford was never elected to national office, so 1976 was not a re-election, nor were 1968 or 1952.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Excuse you, but baby boomers don't remember the past the way it actually happened. Let's rewind to 4 years before McGovern. Nixon, as a candidate in 1968, sabotaged a ceasefire with N Vietnam. It is in the books:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Excuse me, Vietnam America wanted out and Nixon was the one going to do it. I know, I was stationed in Hawaii at the time. Bernie beats Trump in all the poles. He trounces him.
www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/04/21/disaster-of-richard-nixon/
www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-viet
nam-treason
Nixon “was able to get a series of messages to the Thieu government [of South Vietnam] making it clear that a Nixon presidency would have different views on peace negotiations.”
Johnson was livid. He even called the Republican Senate Minority Leader, Everett Dirksen, to complain that “they oughtn’t be doing this. This is treason.”
“I know,” was Dirksen’s feeble reply.
Johnson blasted Nixon about this on November 3rd, just prior to the election. As Robert Parry of Consortiumnews.com has written: “when Johnson confronted Nixon with evidence of the peace-talk sabotage, Nixon insisted on his innocence but acknowledged that he knew what was at stake.”
Said Nixon: “My, I would never do anything to encourage….Saigon not to come to the table….Good God, we’ve got to get them to Paris or you can’t have peace.”
But South Vietnamese President General Theiu—a notorious drug and gun runner—did boycott Johnson’s Paris peace talks. With the war still raging, Nixon claimed a narrow victory over Humphrey. He then made Kissinger his own national security adviser.
Out of fifty states South Dakota ranks 47th in population and he didn't even win that. Nixon was a master politician.
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McGovern losing didn't seem to hurt congressional makeup. And, looking at governorships, it's possible he popularized the democratic 'brand', because he honorably stood for something honorable. And the rest of the democrats benefited from the reflected glow.
90th congress 1967-1969
67/ 100 democrats - senate
247/ 434 democrats - house
91st congress 1969-1971
57/ 100 democrats - senate
243/ 435 democrats - house
92nd congress 1971-1973
54/ 100 democrats - senate (there was also 1 independent and 1 conservative)
255/ 435 democrats - house
93rd congress 1973-1975
57/ 100 democrats - senate (there was also 1 independent and 1 conservative)
235/ 435 democrats - house
1969 - 25 democratic governorships
1971 - 33 democratic governorships
1973 - 35 democratic governorships
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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Quote:Comparing any event to any other is poor practice, but despite that, I'll do it: the American hostages held by Iran were released at just the right time for Carter to lose an election, and Reagan’s first shipments of American weapons to Iran began the very next month. You may wonder if the Reaganites were capable of making such a vile deal. But you don't really wonder that, do you?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Comparing re-elections to non-incumbent elections is poor practice.
2. The disastrous Carter in 1980.
www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-01-21/iran-hostage-crisis-a-hot-pota
to-for-reagan
www.presidency.ucsb.edu/PS157/assignment%20files%20public/congressiona
l%20report%20key%20sections.htm
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Quote:Bernie running as 3rd party candidate. Start at 4:00.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
McGovern losing didn't seem to hurt congressional makeup.
The election is simple, it comes down to the town librarian versus the town drunk. The Republicans try to portray her as the Dragon Lady, but if you’ve ever heard her speak, you recognize her essential librarian nature. The big question is Bill. Can he be happy, even as he revitalizes the strip-mined ruins of Appalachia and burnt-out blocks of Detroit, and go off to the Kennedy Center looking good in a midnight blue Armani tuxedo with a honeydew shirt accented by diamond studs and cufflinks and a metallic silver bowtie with flecks of taupe?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Comparing any event to any other is poor practice, but despite that, I'll do it: the American hostages held by Iran blah blah blah...
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Comparing re-elections to non-incumbent elections is poor practice.
2. The disastrous Carter in 1980.
Sure you're right.
Carter's destruction of the economy had nothing to do with it.
right
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The amount uv propaganda you injest must be incredible, JSF. Do you hav your bedside radio playing a rite wing tok station wile you sleep to be sure your subconshus iz being indoctrinated? Hav you developed the abilty to lissen to more than 1 rite wing station at the same time you are watching Fox Newz and reading Lew Rockwell?
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Quote:Blame Volcker.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sure you're right.
Carter's destruction of the economy had nothing to do with it.
right
Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker raised the federal funds rate from 11% in 1979 to 20% by 1981, Reagan's first year.
By wrecking the economy for President Carter, Volcker did such a great service for Ronald Reagan's election campaign that Reagan reappointed him to the Federal Reserve.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1980s_recession
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Comparing any event to any other is poor practice, but despite that, I'll do it: the American hostages held by Iran blah blah blah...
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Comparing re-elections to non-incumbent elections is poor practice.
2. The disastrous Carter in 1980.
Sure you're right.
Carter's destruction of the economy had nothing to do with it.
right
The destruction of the economy took place with the two previous presidents (Ford and Nixon). To say Carter destroyed the economy having served such a short period of time is absurd.
What Carter did was take the advice of "Paul Adolph Volcker, Jr. He is an economist who was Chairman of the Federal Reserve under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan from August 1979 to August 1987. He is widely credited with ending the high levels of inflation seen in the United States during the 1970s and early 1980s. He was the chairman of the Economic Recovery Advisory Board"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Volcker
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Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Comparing any event to any other is poor practice, but despite that, I'll do it: the American hostages held by Iran blah blah blah...
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Comparing re-elections to non-incumbent elections is poor practice.
2. The disastrous Carter in 1980.
Sure you're right.
Carter's destruction of the economy had nothing to do with it.
right
The destruction of the economy took place with the two previous presidents (Ford and Nixon). To say Carter destroyed the economy having served such a short period of time is absurd.
What Carter did was take the advice of "Paul Adolph Volcker, Jr. He is an economist who was Chairman of the Federal Reserve under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan from August 1979 to August 1987. He is widely credited with ending the high levels of inflation seen in the United States during the 1970s and early 1980s. He was the chairman of the Economic Recovery Advisory Board"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Volcker
Looks like you goofed up. I think you were supposed to blame it on Eisenhower, only 16 years prior to Jiminy.
I suppose you are going to try to credit the juggernaut economy of Reagan to LBJ or FDR, right?
Volcker served under the worst President - Carter - up til Clinton, and also the best President of modern times - Reagan. The horrific economics of Carter were obvious to anybody at the time, and the great enterprising economy of Reaganomics carried us (with assist from Newt) almost through the Clinton reign, so that Slick Willy could take credit for the work of conservatives yet again.
You must really, really be ticked off that Nixon had the most recent balanced budget before Reaganomics - actually surplus budget, paying down the Federal Debt. Prosperity under Nixon, destitution under Carter, mega prosperity launched by Reagan - quite contrasting.
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