Bernie Sanders Discussion Thread

POSTED BY: reaverfan
UPDATED: Monday, July 27, 2026 16:39
VIEWED: 44545
PAGE 26 of 30

There are 548 delegates up for grabz in California on June 7. I dont think Bernie or Hillary will get enuf there to clinch the nomination.

----------------------------
DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Oh, let me just run the arithmetic.

The numbers are in flux, but after Kentucky and Oregon Clinton has about 1,767 delegates while Sanders has about 1,488. It takes 2,383 for nomination. Polls for California have been all over the map (so to speak), but assuming Clinton has a 10% lead, California would net her 329, bringing her up to roughly 2100. So even with California in the bag with a 10% lead, according to HOW PEOPLE VOTED, Clinton couldn't get the nomination.

But then, there are SUPERdelegates! The 'democratic' party big fu to democratic voters.


With that in mind, I expect her to get the nomination, as ordained.

---

---

---

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

NOTIFY: N  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh, let me just run the arithmetic.

The numbers are in flux, but after Kentucky and Oregon Clinton has about 1,767 delegates while Sanders has about 1,488. It takes 2,383 for nomination. Polls for California have been all over the map (so to speak), but assuming Clinton has a 10% lead, California would net her 329, bringing her up to roughly 2100. So even with California in the bag with a 10% lead, according to HOW PEOPLE VOTED, Clinton couldn't get the nomination.

But then, there are SUPERdelegates! The 'democratic' party big fu to democratic voters.


With that in mind, I expect her to get the nomination, as ordained.

---

Super delegates were intended to keep Republicans from flooding into the Democrats' open primaries and picking who runs as the Democrat for President. Bernie is not a Democrat; he just caucuses with them. If he gets 50% of the popular votes and he can give a convincing demonstration he is a Democrat, then the Super Delegates will vote for him. But he is not very convincing.

Yesterday's Democratic primaries basically ended in a tie.

The one thing I do keep wondering about is what happened to Bernie Sanders. Before this campaign, he was a gadfly, he was a critic of the system, and he was a man of strong principles. He still is, but he's also obviously very, very bitter. I wonder if all this was worth it for him? By all objective measures he did way better than anyone expected and had far more influence than anyone thought he would, and he should feel good about that. Instead, he seems more angry and resentful with every passing day.

I know this happens all the time in presidential primaries. Everyone starts out promising to run high-minded campaigns, but the attacks always come sooner or later—and the targets inevitably believe the attacks are unfair and slanderous. As a result, the losers develop a deep personal disdain for their opponents.

That's what's happened this time, and I suppose there's nothing unusual about it. I don't even blame anyone in particular. Maybe Hillary's team played too rough. Maybe Bernie's team is too thin-skinned. I just don't know. But it's sort of painful to see a good person like Bernie turned into such a sullen and resentful man. And doubly painful to see him take his followers down that path too.

Usually these things fade with a bit of time. Politics is politics, after all. But for Bernie, it's always been more than politics. I wonder if he's ever going to get over this?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh, let me just run the arithmetic.

The numbers are in flux, but after Kentucky and Oregon Clinton has about 1,767 delegates while Sanders has about 1,488. It takes 2,383 for nomination. Polls for California have been all over the map (so to speak), but assuming Clinton has a 10% lead, California would net her 329, bringing her up to roughly 2100. So even with California in the bag with a 10% lead, according to HOW PEOPLE VOTED, Clinton couldn't get the nomination.

But then, there are SUPERdelegates! The 'democratic' party big fu to democratic voters.


With that in mind, I expect her to get the nomination, as ordained.

---

Super delegates were intended to keep Republicans from flooding into the Democrats' open primaries and picking who runs as the Democrat for President. Bernie is not a Democrat; he just caucuses with them. If he gets 50% of the popular votes and he can give a convincing demonstration he is a Democrat, then the Super Delegates will vote for him. But he is not very convincing.

Yesterday's Democratic primaries basically ended in a tie.

The one thing I do keep wondering about is what happened to Bernie Sanders. Before this campaign, he was a gadfly, he was a critic of the system, and he was a man of strong principles. He still is, but he's also obviously very, very bitter. I wonder if all this was worth it for him? By all objective measures he did way better than anyone expected and had far more influence than anyone thought he would, and he should feel good about that. Instead, he seems more angry and resentful with every passing day.

I know this happens all the time in presidential primaries. Everyone starts out promising to run high-minded campaigns, but the attacks always come sooner or later—and the targets inevitably believe the attacks are unfair and slanderous. As a result, the losers develop a deep personal disdain for their opponents.

That's what's happened this time, and I suppose there's nothing unusual about it. I don't even blame anyone in particular. Maybe Hillary's team played too rough. Maybe Bernie's team is too thin-skinned. I just don't know. But it's sort of painful to see a good person like Bernie turned into such a sullen and resentful man. And doubly painful to see him take his followers down that path too.

Usually these things fade with a bit of time. Politics is politics, after all. But for Bernie, it's always been more than politics. I wonder if he's ever going to get over this?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

---

Bernie Sanders is pushing the Democratic agenda that was in place before the Clintons and Bush's took control of the countries agenda. It is what the Demarcates stood for before, as I said, the Bush's and Clintons came to power.

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Quote:

---

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Bernie Sanders is pushing the Democratic agenda that was in place before the Clintons and Bush's took control of the countries agenda. It is what the Demarcates stood for before, as I said, the Bush's and Clintons came to power.

---

At the 1972 Democratic National Convention, previously excluded political activists gained influence at the expense of elected officials and traditional core Democratic constituencies such as organized labor. It nominated Senator George McGovern of South Dakota for President.

And Nixon crushed McGovern like a bug. That is what the Democrats stood for, as you said, before the Bushs and Clintons came to power. Squashed bugs on the windshield of Nixon's Republican Party campaign bus. Trump is Nixon for the 21st century and Bernie is the next McGovern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_197
2

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Bernie Sanders is pushing the Democratic agenda that was in place before the Clintons and Bush's took control of the countries agenda. It is what the Demarcates stood for before, as I said, the Bush's and Clintons came to power.

---

At the 1972 Democratic National Convention, previously excluded political activists gained influence at the expense of elected officials and traditional core Democratic constituencies such as organized labor. It nominated Senator George McGovern of South Dakota for President.

And Nixon crushed McGovern like a bug. That is what the Democrats stood for, as you said, before the Bushs and Clintons came to power. Squashed bugs on the windshield of Nixon's Republican Party campaign bus. Trump is Nixon for the 21st century and Bernie is the next McGovern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_197
2

---

Excuse me, Vietnam America wanted out and Nixon was the one going to do it. I know, I was stationed in Hawaii at the time. Bernie beats Trump in all the poles. He trounces him.

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Not exact equivalences.

Trump isn't an incumbent, therefore no POTUS experience, or ultimate campaign high ground. I'd even bet Nixon's trustworthiness (at that point, before Watergate) was far higher than either Hillary's or Trump's.

I wonder how Carter ranks on the "Centrist" scale.



Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME