Bernie Sanders Discussion Thread
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UPDATED: Monday, July 27, 2026 16:39
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Quote:Damn, now I get it! William F Buckley, Jr. was never a Republican and anything he says cannot be used against Republicans in a court of law.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Your attempts to infuse the views of your neighbors into generalizations of all Republicans, which you clearly do not comprehend, seems quite lame.
Are you next going to say that Richard Nixon was not a true blue Republican? And George Bush also wasn't? And that the crash of 2008 was really Obama's fault? All things I have heard in Texas. I guess Texas Republicans are more extreme about denying little factoids than Republicans in other states. It is a very strong defense mechanism they have.
I need to make a prediction: If Trump becomes President, he will be called a great Republican by the party. If he loses, Republicans will say Trump was never a Republican, so of course he would lose since he doesn't embody the GOP's sterling qualities. Similarly, if President Trump has some gigantic foreign policy failure while in office, Republicans will say it was because he wasn't really Republican and the GOP will stop talking about him. Pretend like he never existed as President.
You can see the process of erasing Republican history with Adam Baldwin, also known as Jayne.
He is making the pivot from always despising Trump to always having liked Trump. I’d would include the url for the tweets, but he keeps deleting tweets so you cannot check on what he said further back than about 99 tweets at https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/
It is a great defense mechanism Adam (and the GOP) have. He simply erases past evidence and forgets all about it. History begins with Trump winning Indiana on May 4, 2016. Nothing before that counts with Adam Baldwin. His world is only one day old.
Adam Baldwin @AdamBaldwin 19m19 minutes ago
“There are a lot of conservatives supporting Trump… Conservatism is still how most people live their lives today.”
Adam Baldwin @AdamBaldwin 31m31 minutes ago
#ForUnitySake
Perhaps Cruz can now see it that Trump’s campaign insults were just words… just speeches.
Adam Baldwin Retweeted
Lara Trump @LaraLeaTrump 12h12 hours ago
First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they fight you
Then you win
Here is Adam Baldwin hating Trump last month (if you watch Firefly, you know that the Dortmunder is an Alliance ship ):
Adam Baldwin @AdamBaldwin
"I can envision Trump’s logo on the Dortmunder"
Adam Baldwin @AdamBaldwin
"Like all demagogues, Trump's using his lies as a loyalty test for his followers."
http://web.archive.org/web/20160403123357/https:/twitter.com/adambaldw
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The further back you go, the more hate Adam had for Trump, yet today only love for Trump after he won Indiana. Republican voters have amnesia.
http://web.archive.org/web/20160305085910/https:/twitter.com/AdamBaldw
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Adam Baldwin deleted this photo from his account. Can you feel the love for Trump?
http://web.archive.org/web/20160302230931/https:/twitter.com/adambaldw
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Damn, now I get it! William F Buckley, Jr. was never a Republican and anything he says cannot be used against Republicans in a court of law.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Your attempts to infuse the views of your neighbors into generalizations of all Republicans, which you clearly do not comprehend, seems quite lame.
I cannot believe that you are that stupid, so you must be merely blinded in your rage.
You posted your delusional views, and in the same post you quoted William F Buckley. Just because you tried to cloud the waters by posting his reasonable views in the same post as your delusional views does not make them of the same caliber or validity.
Your attempts to infuse the views of your neighbors into generalizations of all Republicans, which you clearly do not comprehend, seems quite lame.
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Quote:I've been writing with stone cold disappointment, not anger, about Republicans. And you're silly if you think Buckley was reasonable when he wrote "I would like to electrocute everyone who uses the word 'fair' in connection with income tax policies." He wasn’t joking or exaggerating at the time, either. --
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I cannot believe that you are that stupid, so you must be merely blinded in your rage.
You posted your delusional views, and in the same post you quoted William F Buckley. Just because you tried to cloud the waters by posting his reasonable views in the same post as your delusional views does not make them of the same caliber or validity.
Your attempts to infuse the views of your neighbors into generalizations of all Republicans, which you clearly do not comprehend, seems quite lame.
www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/william_f_buckley_jr.html
And that yesterday Jayne, I mean Adam Baldwin, had an 11th-hour volte-face after Indiana polls closed? I’m very disappointed in him. Only two months ago Trump and Hillary were his enemies. Now Jayne feels friendly because Trump won. Hillary is still his enemy.
Needless to say, this about-face is a habit of highly effective Republicans. Republicans candidates have long made it clear that they don't necessarily mean anything they say, and their supporters are OK with this. If a Republican attacks you, it's only because he wants to win. He'll take it back once there is some advantage. If he offends an important constituency on a policy issue, he explains that he was just providing "an answer." Nobody should have taken it seriously. If he's caught in an outright lie, he simply denies ever having made the offending statement—even if he made it just yesterday and even if it's recorded video.
This is all fine with Republican voters. This kind of behavior is not just OK, but positively admirable combat on their behalf. But I find it disappointing.
From Jayne’s, I mean Adam Baldwin’s, deleted tweet, now that he admires Trump:
http://web.archive.org/web/20160302230931/https:/twitter.com/adambaldw
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One good thing about Bernie staying in the race: he urges his followers to
come out in droves to promote a political revolution.
As I watched his speeches and droning on about Billionaires, it occurred
to me that he's doing exactly what the Democrats should be doing all along,
prodding the people to exact their will upon the political landscape. For
that I applaud him. Voter suppression only exists because the people
haven't held the candidates responsible for their lack of vision, and
conviction, to the democratic process (Well, that and a handful of dirty
tricks).
I know from experience that complacency is a bitch. So thank you Bernie!
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Bernie Sanders is not going to be the nominee. (And Democrats just as conformist as their Republican brethren, and just as inclined to vote identity politics, if not more so. But that's another story.)
Still, I hope he continues to stay in the race, as he promised. If he's still running, I intend to vote for him, If he doesn't run, by CA rules, I would literally not have any else to vote for.
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Now Everyone Can Play Bubble Burst Bernie -- Stephen Colbert
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Yes is the answer to your question, but despite that fact, Bernie will be endorsing Hillary, I predict. If my prediction is wrong, all is well for you. If right, you will have been betrayed by Bernie endorsing a war-monger against Russia and Putin:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, in the interests of perhaps elucidating what you think, I'm going to limit my posts to single questions with yes/ no answers. With any luck this will focus your replies on WHAT I ACTUALLY POST. And hopefully, we'll be able to proceed with an actual, if strictly formatted, exchange of ideas. Second chance:
Ready?
This statement comes from Hillary's website. Yes or no?
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/national-security/?webSyncID=749
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Standing up to Putin. Hillary has gone toe-to-toe with Putin before, and she'll do it again. She'll stand shoulder-to-shoulder with our European allies and help them decrease dependence on Russian oil. With our partners, Hillary will confine, contain, and deter Russian aggressions in Europe and beyond, and increase the costs to Putin for his actions.
Quote:There is more at www.vox.com/2016/5/10/11615720/bernie-sanders-will-back-hillary
Sanders is promising to do everything in his power to keep Republicans out of the White House, but also suggesting that concessions may be needed from the Clinton camp to spur enthusiasm on the part of his voters.
The reality, however, is that nobody is better positioned to make the case to Sanders voters than Sanders himself. And Sanders already has all the reasons he could possibly need to give Clinton his full-throated support.
Thanks to the primaries, Sanders has emerged as a substantial factional leader inside the Democratic Party — someone whose statements and tweets will garner media attention, whose email list will be coveted and envied by other Democrats in Congress, and whose support or opposition to a measure will matter to a national constituency. That gives him, potentially, considerably more influence over national affairs than he's had in his previous 25 years in Washington. But essentially all of that influence hinges on Clinton winning the election in November.
That, rather than anything to do with platform concessions or "lesser of two evils" talk, is why Sanders will almost certainly do everything in his power to boost Clinton this fall. He'll do it because it's the right thing for Bernie Sanders.
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Bernie Sanders Has Been the Most Influential Insurgent Candidate Since the 70s
—By Kevin Drum
Wed May 11, 2016 11:21 AM EDT
Win or lose (hint: he's going to lose), Bernie Sanders should feel pretty good about his success in pushing Hillary Clinton to the left during the primary campaign. She's now against the TPP; she definitively favors a large hike in the minimum wage; and she supports expansion of Social Security. These may not seem like huge changes—and they aren't—but they're a lot more than most candidates accomplish. Dennis Kucinich ran twice without having any measurable effect at all on the Democratic race.
Now Bernie can take credit for one more move to the left:
continued at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/05/hillary-clinton-supports-public
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Quote:Trump is not the mad emperor of Rome. He is a super-salesman who will say whatever will close a deal. After the deal is done, his attention turns to the next deal and he is super-bad at running the business his deals create. The proof is his businesses have gone bankrupt several times. Trump needs a chief operating officer (COO) with Trump remaining as a CEO. Prez Trump would need Dick Cheney to do the actual work of running the executive branch. I'm sure Cheney is ready, available and experienced at being completely in charge while Bush was mentally incapacitated for years and years.
Originally posted by G:
And I say that as no fan of Clinton, but if not her it's Caligula time.
There is an article about Trump doing his sales talking at www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2016/05/11/donald-trump-has-d
iscovered-one-weird-trick-for-getting-people-to-agree-with-him/
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With Bernie winning Wwest Virginia, he adds 18 to Hilliary's 11 delegates.
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"but the longer he runs the more damage he does"
He and the 45% of democrats Hillary and Debbie seem bent on ignoring.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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