When Does It Stop Great Britain?
POSTED BY: ShinyEd
UPDATED: Sunday, November 23, 2025 15:17
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The problem with history is that most of the world has more than 200 odd years of it and there is more of it all the time.
My English history classes didn't touch on the Crusades or the Holocaust and that was way before political correctness.
For the Crusades, we essentially skipped it since what Richard was doing abroad was not nearly as interesting as John and the Magna Carta. History finished for us in 1914 on the eve of WW1. Like I said, lot of history to cover from the stone age onwards.
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Quote:I said mostly bullshit because it's blown out of all proportion and little more than hyperbole. Interesting that instead of presenting a case you throw a tempertantrum. I've actually looked into this on my own, before you posted this thread, which is why I'm not carrying a pitchfork and ready to burn down all the mosques.
Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Now that the preliminaries are out of the way, some have looked into this on their own, some have just called it bullshit
Quote:Well actually I said I won't call you a troll if you don't act like one. I didn't call you a troll. I've still not attacked you personally as you did me, seems your high ground is a might fragile.
& labeled me (again!) a troll,
Quote:Evidently not as limited as yours since you can't be bothered to do this yourself. Now I asked for a link to the AP wire story you refrenced because, and I feel I was very clear on this point, I couldn't find it. Maybe I couldn't find it because it doesn't exist? I am at a loss to explain your continued refusal to fullfill a simple request if that is not the case.
some have acknowledged & agreed, & some have asked for links to make it easier 'cause their time is limited.
Quote:Because copy paste from the title bar is beyond your cognative abillities? We have to do your research for you because you're too damn lazy? How does your desire to get other people to do your work for you reflect badly on them?
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Type in : ENGLAND TEACHES MUSLIMS HOLOCAUST
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Quote:I think that there is a desire to skew the history that children get for political reasons. I don’t think its major motivation of many teachers, but I do think that it exists to some extent in the upper management of the education system where things become a bit more political, certainly in the US and I think also in Britain.
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
"It" never realy started, except in the minds of some people who dont live here and seem to be following a Brit-bashing trend on the RWED at the moment.
When I was at school in the seventies I was not taught about the crusades, nor very much about the Halocaust except as part of general 20th century history. I was taught about the American civil war, however, and how it was all about "freeing the slaves".
Most situations involve more than just what you read in a couple of articles or see on a news report or indeed pick up from the latest Hollywood movie.
Interpretation seems to be nine tenths of the law.
Now the real problem is that history is too complicated to really tell the full story at that level. Students aren’t going to be interested in pedantic lectures, so you have to dumb it down. And so history, at that level, is always going to be some amalgamated proxy of the real thing. And the debate then becomes about what should and shouldn’t be included. Ultimately, what you want is for this aliased history to be an abridged representation of the real thing to the extent that it passes on the lessons that one would naturally receive if one were to examine the real thing, and for many people the history they get in high school may be the extent of what they know about the history in general. So the lessons of history are passed onto the people by what amounts to folklore. And it behooves everyone, particularly, those knowledgeable in history to make sure that folklore is representative of the real thing and not being used by certain groups to illicit a sympathy for one cause or another.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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I was prettymuch gonna say that Finn, but you put it well enough that it stands on it's own.
Knowledge of history is often the key to predicting future events, humans, and human governments in general, are not very original and thus tend to work in cycles.
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It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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"Science" is usually presented as a list of facts (electrons, protons, the vas deferens of the earthworm...). If you try and teach science as a wide swath of facts, inevitably many things will be dumbed down, nuances will be missed, and some things will be taught wrong - or will be proved wrong in the future.
I think history is the same. Dumbed-down history is just that: dumb. Also, it's usually written by the victors. Rather than trying to present a grand sweep of human history... which necessarily is going to miss a lot... isn't there some way of presenting a "historical method"?
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Science is dumbed down too. No high school teacher teaches quantum physics. In a high school class the atom is a tinny orb around which little electrons are orbiting.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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http://www.terrorscoop.com/londonistan-city-london-elects-racist-pro-j
ihadist-christian-hating-muslim-mayor/
Londonistan Elects
http://shoebat.com/2016/05/06/the-sun-sets-on-the-british-empire-as-th
e-city-of-london-elects-a-racist-pro-jihadist-christian-hating-muslim-for-mayor/
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The two articles are virtually the same. They both contain vast historical distortions, particularly the reference to Catholic Medieval England as the real soul of England, best carried forward by Scotland, Wales, and Ireland.
But those nations, heritages, and cultures which the author claims to be "truly British" - Scotland, Wales, and especially Ireland - are peoples which England was bent on exterminating. The history of medieval England ... and all the way up to the mid-1800's ... was a brutal fight for dominance by the English-speaking descendants of the Norman (French) invaders. The languages of Irish Gaelic, Welsh, and Celtic are footnotes in history. Their original religions are gone. NOW the author wants to claims them as the true English heritage? Yeesh! Talk about history being written by the victor! The author has concocted a "history of England" that's based on a fairy tale.
However, they do contain what I consider to be a disturbing clip of the (now) new mayor being interviewed, when he says something to the effect of
"I've been talking to a lot of people... You can't pick who you talk to ... You can't just talk to the Uncle Toms".
Now, being an "Uncle Tom" means being a traitor to your race and/or cultural heritage. WHO are the "Uncle Toms" that Sadiq Khan is talking about, and which culture are they betraying?
Also, I consider "liberals" to be patsies for the internationalist power structure. They THINK they're being kind because they've been convinced (by TPTB) that sharing the crumbs which are left to them (by TPTB) is the right thing to do. Of course, it's the stupid and cowardly thing to do. They never wonder WHY so many people are displaced, and they never ask themselves what can be done about it.
That is one of the reasons why my tagline is "I believe in solving problems, not sharing them" but I don't think that people understand what that means.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The two articles are virtually the same. They both contain vast historical distortions, particularly the reference to Catholic Medieval England as the real soul of England, best carried forward by Scotland, Wales, and Ireland.
You dispute the Catholic Medieval England as the real soul of England.
From Alfred the Great, considered the first King of United England, until Henry VIII, England was the domain of the Catholics, ruled by royals who had converted to Christianity - which at that time meant Catholic. 700 years is a significant base for foundation of a country's soul.
The blindfolded centuries since then, based upon lies, deception, fabrications of Henry VIII to create the Anglican Church, exposed bare by the King James Bible of 1604, hardly count as more than truth avoidance in terms of the country's soul. The shredding of the soul was also evidenced by the true patriots fleeing the repressive dictatorship, spreading to the New World and the other colonized portions of the Empire.
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