Why I don't fear a Trump Presidency
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UPDATED: Tuesday, July 8, 2025 20:38
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Quote:Bernie is okay, but voting for Trump! Have you lost your mind?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Personally, I'm so disgusted with "business as usual", and so viscerally and immediately repelled by Hillary, that I'm willing to turn the table over and vote for Trump, if that's my final ballot choice. In the meantime, my vote is for Sanders. It's a hopeless vote because the Democratic Party establishment super delegates and their ever-compliant "liberal" media have already cast their ballots for Hillary- so much for democracy!
You should come to Texas and socialize with Trump and Cruz supporters. It will give you a whole set of reasons not to want Trump or Cruz. If these Texans want one or the other of those guys in White House, it has got to be a bad choice. Where are you, Governor Scott Walker? The Republican Party needs you back in the race! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker
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Trump is not his supporters.
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"... that I'm willing to turn the table over and vote for Trump, if that's my final ballot choice."
Trump is definitely playing to the republican discontent that the party - even the TP branch - has made promises about, only to snub the people over and over who believed their promises and who supported them.
But Trump SHOULD be smart enough to know that he will get nothing from either the democrats or the institutionalized republicans (those who depend on the stability of the institutions they inhabit, which is all of them, even the TPers) if he even intends in the slightest to walk his talk. On top of lack of support he can assume the majority in congress and the republican party as a whole will try to torpedo him the same way they did Obama and 'Clinton the First' before him - endless veto threats, investigations, etc.
Unless.
Unless he gives them something. And that something could be to sign every harebrained bill they can pass.
I can see that. And I can see that you can't count on Trump to mean what he says during this phase of the election process, or during the presidential campaign. What he says could mean as much as zero.
And I can see another reason for Trump to want to be in the WH besides ego and besides a nice fat opportunity for national-scale graft. On the international scale Trump is a two-bit rube player. At most he's worth a few million, while the next level count their wealth in the hundreds of millions, even tens of billions. But the WH is the door to those really big leagues. All you have to do is support their agenda. Or maybe even just not block it. Tony Blair found that out, and I suspect Obama did too.
I've read that a lot of Bernie's supporters will stay home if he doesn't get the nomination. What a wasted opportunity. They should go out and vote in droves - not for Trump - but for the Green Party nominee. Or the Peace and Freedom nominee. Or even the Communist Party nominee. ANYone that shows the democrats they COULD have had those votes if they hadn't pissed on their constituents with a spying militarist neo-CON business-toady. Again.
My approach will be to vote for Bernie in the primary assuming he's still running. And to vote for someone on the left - which means not Hillary - in the election.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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Quote:And his supporters aren't ordinary, either. There is a list of celebrities for Trump.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trump is not his supporters.
www.bestyling.com/celebrities-support-donald-trump/1/
Much like Trump’s lesser known supporters, but with more money, it is a list of ass-holes and dumb asses. Dennis Rodman, one Trump supporter, is also "a friend for life" of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rodman#North_Korea_visits
Hulk Hogan is on the list of celebrity Trump supporters. Hogan was awarded $115 Million this week because his sex life is an embarrassment to humanity.
www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/business/media/gawker-hulk-hogan-verdict.ht
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Trump supporters have a huge disconnect from Trump.
For them, Trump is the "reset" button on American politics, the "none of the above" box on the ballot. Trump speaks their language and he's promising what they want to hear: Make American great again. Take America back to the day when things were going better. Remove ourselves from the international web of agreements that are sapping our jobs and our economy.
TRUMP is running out of ego, like he does everything. Many times he succeeds brilliantly, but sometimes he fails.
Personally, I'm so disgusted with "business as usual", and so viscerally and immediately repelled by Hillary, that I'm willing to turn the table over and vote for Trump, if that's my final ballot choice. In the meantime, my vote is for Sanders. It's a hopeless vote because the Democratic Party establishment super delegates and their ever-compliant "liberal" media have already cast their ballots for Hillary- so much for democracy!
If the Republican establishment does anything other than nominate the winner of the primaries, that signals the end of democracy in the USA.
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
Trump has managed to bankrupt 2 or 3 times so far. Are we willing to let his next time be American bankrupcy?
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Quote:Hate to tell you this, but the USA is already bankrupt. We have nothing backing our currency except our mighty military.
Trump has managed to bankrupt 2 or 3 times so far. Are we willing to let his next time be American bankruptcy?
If you listen to TPTB as they squirm about Trump, you won't hear about "bankrupting" the USA, but mostly about the free trade deals that are so near and precious to their hearts. The last "how can we derail Trump" meeting http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/aei-world-forum-donald-trump_us_56
ddbd38e4b0ffe6f8ea125d?tn50o1or included quite a few large hi-tech reps: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, Larry Page, and Sean Parker, whose main interests in stopping Trump have to do with the intellectual property provisions of the TTP and the TTIP, and secondarily with the B1 visas that allow them to import top-notch programmers CHEAP! from India. http://thenextweb.com/entrepreneur/2014/06/11/7-us-startup-visa-option
s-international-founders/
I don't expect Trump to build a wall. I'll be extremely pleased if all he manages to do is stop the TPP and TTIP deals, and not get us in any more covert destabilizations, drone attacks, or military confrontations during his tenure in office. If he manages that, that's a lot.
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Quote:"Yes," the easily fooled say. Trump is unnaturally good at closing a deal with his patsy. But it is doubtful that half the voters will be charmed by him.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Trump has managed to bankrupt 2 or 3 times so far. Are we willing to let his next time be American bankruptcy?
About his business experience:
In the Plaza Hotel deal, Mr. Trump demonstrated both strengths (an ability to charm or strong-arm, as the occasion required) and weaknesses (a kind of hungry impatience that left him searching for new trophies as soon as one had been acquired). His methods as a political candidate mirror his methods as an executive, say those who have dealt with the latter and seen the former. In fact, the more you know about Mr. Trump’s past, the more his run for high office looks like an effort to close the biggest deal of his life.
“He has the ability to imagine what the other party wants him to be and then be that person,” said Michael D’Antonio. “He presents the Trump that will work in the moment.”
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-donald-trumps-plaza-deal-reveals-
about-his-white-house-bid/
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"I'll be extremely pleased if all he manages to do is stop the TPP and TTIP deals, and not get us in any more covert destabilizations, drone attacks, or military confrontations during his tenure in office."
That's assuming he means what he says.
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my vote is for Sanders. It's a hopeless vote because the Democratic Party establishment super delegates and their ever-compliant "liberal" media have already cast their ballots for Hillary- so much for democracy!
If the Republican establishment does anything other than nominate the winner of the primaries, that signals the end of democracy in the USA.
Twice here you suggest it is the end of democracy in the USA. Just to show you that you are clueless. All you are looking at is states won and delegates. Hillary Clinton to date has captured two million more votes than ( as much as I like him ) Bernie. When all is said and done, that number is going to be much higher.
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Trump has managed to bankrupt 2 or 3 times so far. Are we willing to let his next time be American bankruptcy? - JEWELSTAITEFAN:
"Yes," the easily fooled say. Trump is unnaturally good at closing a deal with his patsy. But it is doubtful that half the voters will be charmed by him.
About his business experience:
In the Plaza Hotel deal, Mr. Trump demonstrated both strengths (an ability to charm or strong-arm, as the occasion required) and weaknesses (a kind of hungry impatience that left him searching for new trophies as soon as one had been acquired). His methods as a political candidate mirror his methods as an executive, say those who have dealt with the latter and seen the former. In fact, the more you know about Mr. Trump’s past, the more his run for high office looks like an effort to close the biggest deal of his life.
“He has the ability to imagine what the other party wants him to be and then be that person,” said Michael D’Antonio. “He presents the Trump that will work in the moment.”
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-donald-trumps-plaza-deal-reveals-
about-his-white-house-bid/ - SECOND
You must think I like Trump, or something.
I don't. It's just that I hate Hillary more than I fear Trump.
I know what Hillary (and all the other "establishment" candidates except Bernie but including Republicans) will do, and she will fail on the few extremely critical issues that I'm voting on: free trade, and more war. In my humble opinion, those two issues are THE most important issue facing us right now:
1) More "free trade" will have a long-term, fatal effect on our economy (something the international financials who pay Hillary don't mind, because they can make money on the USA economy tanking as well as on the USA economy rising) and
2) Whether we get to WWIII or not.
We can deal with global climate shift provided that we have sovereign control over our economy, and provided that we manage not to blow the world up.
I don't know what Trump will do. But, like I said, I know what Hillary will do, and I'd rather vote for an uncertain future than a certain disaster.
As far as Trump is concerned, it's interesting and amusing to watch him schmooze an audience. And that's what he's doing: He tells a lot of stories, he "loves" everyone, he tells his audience what fine people they are and what a great city they live in and about his experiences there and how wonderful it was.
The ONE thing that he and his audience overlap on, so far, is his overweening confidence. His supporters want to feel confident again, instead of suffering through the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that they've been feeling for the past 15 years or so. Trump offers them a figure to shelter under and follow. That won't work for a lot of people. When Trump's ability to schmooze an audience conflicts with his mania, that will be an interesting day.
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