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The DISRESPECT Islam movement

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JO753

Saturday, February 6, 2016 4:53 PM

Duznt bug me at all. Just taking the opportunity to squeez in a Lebowski ref.

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1KIKI

Sunday, February 7, 2016 1:36 AM

Why Do Liberals Refuse to Criticize Islam?

Do they? I hadn't noticed that, myself. In any case there are 'types' of liberals - from 100% pure neocons-in-democrat clothing like Hillary, to people who are on the leftish side of anarchy. If you hadn't noticed, the neocons are running the State Department, which means they're running US foreign policy, which means the media is on board with the message; and probably Merkel as well since there seems to be a German submission to the US agenda. So, the lack of official government or media outrage is a neocon agenda.

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SIGNYM

Sunday, February 7, 2016 5:07 PM

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... Why? Why am I saying all this and what does it have to do with Muslims? There are over 1 billion Muslims in this world, if they were all bad evil motherfuckers, the world would tilt towards Syria and the like. There have been Muslims living in this country for many, many years...and it's now that 'suddenly' that 'we' should no longer tolerate them. Of course you have bad ones, evil, vicious motherfuckers. But ever since the Pilgrims first landed on Plymouth Rock there have been evil motherfuckers of all kinds landing here. I say, point out the fuckers and let's hang 'em. String them up by the Statue of Liberty (which was given to us by the French by the way). I suggest that most that come here seek freedom, in all shapes and sizes. In all it's glory.

versus?

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I support muslims as individuals, I support their human rights however I do not support their stupid religion I support genuine refugees, people truly wanting a better life outside of religious tyrants and religious wars, however I do not support unchecked illegal islamic immigration into Europe and the USA. If they want Sharia Law they can go to Mecca or Tehran.

It seems to me that you two are saying the same thing. You both would like to treat Muslim immigrants as individuals, depending on whether each one is willing to follow the law of the land in the USA (which is, among other things, a secular nation not following sharia law). So, maybe you should make peace with each other.

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My grandma came with her values here to pursue a dream. A piece of her is in me, and I say that we are good people.

You sound rightly proud of your maternal grandma. As you should be.

My maternal grandma came to this nation in 1917-8. She grew up on a farm on Poland, was abused by her (literally) evil stepmother, ran away from home at the tender age of 15 to become a hod-carrier

helping to build the cobblestone streets, and then an understudy maid in a rich family's home, where she learned fancy Polish cooking. At 21, she emigrated to the USA in an arranged marriage, where she became a stepmother herself and had four children of her own. She was a strong, strong-minded, hardworking Polack who demanded much of her children (and stepchildren!) ... and her husband ...

As demanding as she was as a mother, she flowed pure strong love to her grandchildren, and we basked in it. We remember her love to this day, decades later. AND her cooking!

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But, and I say this with hope in my breath, we, for the most part, have good people in this country. Like my grandmother, who believed in hard work and family - something that's been instilled in me since I was a kid. I was also taught fair play and manners (okay, sometimes I fuck up the manners part), but overall I'm a good American... In loving memory of my grandmother, I am a motherfucking American.

Family, hard work, fair play and (hopefully) manners. that is what being American means to you.

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1KIKI

Monday, February 8, 2016 3:16 AM

In case any of you are wondering, she wasn't spared the brutal physical labor because she was female. As she described it: 'they worked us like donkeys'.

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, February 8, 2016 3:06 PM

Sorry, I didn't catch the reference...........my bad!

SGG

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Originally posted by JO753:
Duznt bug me at all. Just taking the opportunity to squeez in a Lebowski ref.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, February 8, 2016 3:31 PM

Huh!? Hilary a neocon? That means that Obama's a neocon. Never saw that coming. Now I do know that Bush & the Dark Lord Cheney are neocons, but I have trouble wrapping my head around Hilary & Obama rubbing elbows with Cheney & Bush.

But let me take a crack at it, will ya Doc! (said in Bugs Bunny voice)

You see, we here in America believe in the Constitution (something that Repubs and Conservatives love to beat people over the head with. Of course
only when it's convenient). In that document they have a little something called Freedom of Religion:

"The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment gives you the right to worship or not as you choose. The government can't penalize you because of your religious beliefs."
(Source: https://www.aclu.org/your-right-religious-freedom)

Look it up! Or is that too left for ya!?

Contrary to Right Wing belief, it does not mean that the government are evil because they don't allow prayer in schools, or remove religious ornaments from government property. It's separation between church and state. These were written by the founding fathers:

"The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution says that everyone in the United States has the right to practice his or her own religion, or no religion at all. Our country's founders -- who were of different religious backgrounds themselves -- knew the best way to protect religious liberty was to keep the government out of religion. So they created the First Amendment -- to guarantee the separation of church and state. This fundamental freedom is a major reason why the U.S. has managed to avoid a lot of the religious conflicts that have torn so many other nations apart."

A brilliant sentiment and genius move, created over 200 years ago and stupidly being threatened by the very people who swear up and down that the country is going to hell in a hand basket because their "religious freedoms" are being violated.

I have a word that sums it all up:

BULLSHIT!!!

The defense rests...........

SGG

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Why Do Liberals Refuse to Criticize Islam?

Do they? I hadn't noticed that, myself. In any case there are 'types' of liberals - from 100% pure neocons-in-democrat clothing like Hillary, to people who are on the leftish side of anarchy. If you hadn't noticed, the neocons are running the State Department, which means they're running US foreign policy, which means the media is on board with the message; and probably Merkel as well since there seems to be a German submission to the US agenda. So, the lack of official government or media outrage is a neocon agenda.

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, February 8, 2016 4:01 PM

Along with my grandmother came some of those "vicious motherfuckers" who gave us all a bad name. These 'individuals' were criminals in their country
and brought with them the evil that men do. The majority were good hardworking folk; like my grandmother. Some would steal, rob and even kill for various reasons. But, as I said, the majority were good folk looking to
improve their situation and grow a family - in freedom.

My grandmother, mother and uncle were of "good" folk stock. They raised us to be good citizens and good folk. "Go to school and get an education," my mother would say, and she was dead serious (as was my grandmother) she expected us to do well in school. My sister and I were the first to attend
college in our family. Me, despite my education, I was always a bit of a smartass, I always questioned the rules. Then I grew to understand them.
But since a child, I loved this country and what it stood for - freedom.
Good hard work and freedom, those were my mother's words. She worked hard, and by way of example, got her G.E.D. at the age of 44. Became a translator
at the Board of Education.

She came here legally, but it wasn't all honey and roses. Not for any of us, not even the ones born and raised loving this country. I'm not for indiscriminately opening up the borders. But can you look anyone in the eye and be able to tell with certainty who the bad ones are? Of course, there
must be a way to determine that, perhaps through a vetting process whereby
"we" can search their criminal records (if any are available).

I know a woman who came here illegally from South America. She's been here over 25 years and is now legal. She's an x-ray tech and lives with her husband and 2 girls - one's in college and one's a senior in high school.
The senior in high school just received an award from a junior law program
and was recognized by the state she lives in as well. She may have a future in law. They all love their new country and are productive individuals.

SGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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... Why? Why am I saying all this and what does it have to do with Muslims? There are over 1 billion Muslims in this world, if they were all bad evil motherfuckers, the world would tilt towards Syria and the like. There have been Muslims living in this country for many, many years...and it's now that 'suddenly' that 'we' should no longer tolerate them. Of course you have bad ones, evil, vicious motherfuckers. But ever since the Pilgrims first landed on Plymouth Rock there have been evil motherfuckers of all kinds landing here. I say, point out the fuckers and let's hang 'em. String them up by the Statue of Liberty (which was given to us by the French by the way). I suggest that most that come here seek freedom, in all shapes and sizes. In all it's glory.

versus?

Quote:
I support muslims as individuals, I support their human rights however I do not support their stupid religion I support genuine refugees, people truly wanting a better life outside of religious tyrants and religious wars, however I do not support unchecked illegal islamic immigration into Europe and the USA. If they want Sharia Law they can go to Mecca or Tehran.

It seems to me that you two are saying the same thing. You both would like to treat Muslim immigrants as individuals, depending on whether each one is willing to follow the law of the land in the USA (which is, among other things, a secular nation not following sharia law). So, maybe you should make peace with each other.

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My grandma came with her values here to pursue a dream. A piece of her is in me, and I say that we are good people.

You sound rightly proud of your maternal grandma. As you should be.

My maternal grandma came to this nation in 1917-8. She grew up on a farm on Poland, was abused by her (literally) evil stepmother, ran away from home at the tender age of 15 to become a hod-carrier http://imgc.a

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JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, February 9, 2016 12:25 AM

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SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:07 AM

I stand corrected. I'll have you know I failed French several times in grade school.............at least I got the n e s right!

SGG

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Originally posted by Brenda:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I want to make sure my point gets across. Besides I've been a gentleman all my life and it seems no one cares about manners and respect, so I cuss a little. But I use it to dramatic effect. Mostly when I write here in RWED.

So with appo-polly-lagies to the faint-hearted, that's my way of putting an
exclamation point on my contributions.
n'es pa?

SGG

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Originally posted by JO753:
But dood - do you haf to uze so many cuss wordz?

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

Excuse me if I correct you for a moment SGG . But there is "t" on the end of "n'est pa".

Just thought I'd bring in my French-Canadian great grandfather.

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, February 12, 2016 1:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I stand corrected. I'll have you know I failed French several times in grade school.............at least I got the n e s right!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I want to make sure my point gets across. Besides I've been a gentleman all my life and it seems no one cares about manners and respect, so I cuss a little. But I use it to dramatic effect. Mostly when I write here in RWED.

So with appo-polly-lagies to the faint-hearted, that's my way of putting an
exclamation point on my contributions.
n'es pa?

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
But dood - do you haf to uze so many cuss wordz?

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

Excuse me if I correct you for a moment SGG . But there is "t" on the end of "n'est pa".

Just thought I'd bring in my French-Canadian great grandfather.

Yes, you did SGG. I think I did alright in French in High School. But I do sort of have an ear for the language. I can understand a certain amount of written French or spoken French.

You and Sigm, should be proud of your grandmothers for being accepted by their adopted country.
Heck, even my mother's mostly Irish family was accepted though it would have been a slog.
I do think that my Scot grandfather(my father's father) did the right thing in coming up to Canada after marrying my Metis grandmother. At least here being Metis was more respectful than she would have possibly gotten in the US, her home country.

That's the problem with this country, any new immigrants are treated with disdain. Hell, even the natives are treated like second class citizens. So I laugh (not that I find it funny) whenever I see one of these "Cliven Cowboys" talk about "public" lands should be public - come on now! You
have some nerve talking that smack when this land was occupied by those
who revered it most and hogged it less - the Native Americans. Talk about
misguided fools and ill-conceived notions. A man died because of his belief
that this land was "his" land.........no, sorry this land was actually free
and belonged to no one. The notion of property is a European one.

What arrogance and downright stupidity. They break the law because they want to receive "welfare" from the government; the very thing they claim
to be against. It is that attitude that feeds into the mind frame of privilege and exclusivity - a type of prejudice. The "this is mine" mentality that lends itself to bigotry and hate of anything new; a
rewriting of history to lay claim to something that never really truly existed - original ownership. If anyone can claim that it's the Native Americans.

Imagine for a moment we send astronauts to another planet, let's say Mars,
and we plunk down our flag and claim it for the good old USA. But then we
find that the planet is already inhabited by a humanoid life form, who show us their hospitality and give us the tour. We, in turn, show our greediness and take over the planet as our own. I dare say that wouldn't sit well with the natives; especially if we find out that underneath all that rock there's gold. According to Bundy, that claim is proper and lawful; they weren't using it anyway.

Oh well! Ces't la vie!

SGG ;-)